Attack on the Confederate Flag?

[crossnote]

Walmart to stop selling Confederate flag merchandise - CNNPolitics.com

Sears, Kmart, Ebay, many are joining..

Commercial form of censorship, or national hysteria?

 

[crossnote]

"This flag, while an integral part of our past, does not represent the future of our great state," the second-term governor said, in an announcement that drew thunderous applause and cheers."

Umm, the American flag today neither represents the great past of this nation...I guess that's next?

 

[Desdichado]

National hysteria at its finest. I see plenty of well-reasoned articles against the display of the Confederate flag, but I think many of these writers are willfully choosing to ignore the mechanics behind the controversy.

What we have here is applied dialectics and political correctness being motivated to accomplish a momentary leftist goal that will eventually lead to other leftist goals.

Yes, Roof's race-motivated terrorist act immediately provoked a national debate on gun control, but con control is not the main focus. The place of the 2nd Amendment is currently unassailable by the Left on a national scale, because, as we have said before, it is a function of culture. Particularly in States that were either in the former Confederacy, culturally similar to the former Confederacy, or later populated by the former Confederacy (see Arizona).

If you cannot undermine your top political goal, undermine the culture it represents so the top political goal is can be accomplished by the next generation.

That and since the flag became a real political issue (late 90's/early 00's), the topic was initially unassailable. But, with time, it has become fashionable to ban certain things that do not conform to Leftist orthodoxy simply because they are remaining vestiges of the old world. This was the dialectical moment for the flag and the left is banking on doing the same with guns.

Again, there are people who have written on the Confederate battle flag who have made a good case for taking it down, but their concerns are couched in terms and thought processes that are at odds with the main ideological driving force.

By joining the two minutes hate, they are conforming to Marxist-Leninist patterns. Perhaps they bet that their point of view and their reasoning may one day become popular when the political tides turn, but that typically isn't how it works.

Those looking to build a plastic "society" advance unless those who stand for remembrance and authenticity say "no" and seek to blindside them in a similar fashion.

The Confederate battle flag, why it was raised, and what it represents may make people feel uncomfortable, but for the time being I stand with the Savage who was locked in a similar situation.

"But I don't want comfort. I want God, I want poetry, I want real danger, I want freedom, I want goodness, I want sin."

 

[Desdichado]

I would like to add that the companies who refuse to sell these flags are doing so not out of any real moral compulsion, but fear of what will be done to them if they continue to go against the new "orthodoxy."

 

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I agree desdichado and will only add that an empty flag pole abhors a vacuum.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

My great-great-great grandfathers fought in the Civil War, or as one of them put it, the War Between the States, because he was a CSA Colonel. He returned from the Battle of Pea Ridge (Ark.), wounded and in need of getting back to work on his farm to keep his family fed. A contingent of Unionists rode out from town to ask which cause he supported, the "Secessionists" or the Union.

He was standing on a hay wagon on a hot June day in 1862. As he began to respond with the words, "Well, I have said ... " he reached into his hip pocket for a bandana to wipe sweat from his brow. A hot-headed young kid riding with the group shouted "He's got a gun!" and shot Great-Granddad Jacob dead in front of his 12-year-old son.

I tell that story to illustrate that I have no love lost for the Unionists of 153 years ago, or since. By "Unionists" I mean the ones who pass off the North as being of pristine righteousness with no sin in fighting that stupid war. But the reality is, the true cause of the founders was in the Southern secessionist movement, seeking to preserve States' Right, fair and equitable economic conditions for all under a free enterprise system, and the right to fair representation in the affairs of the nation, both foreign and domestic.

The North started the war. The North wanted the war. They used slavery as an excuse, but the real issues were those I've mentioned. Northern Republicans (the party that is now known as the Democratic Party) refused to honor the "Great Compromise" of 1850 that firmly established slavery as a States' Rights issue not to be touched by the federal government. Slavery was a miserable excuse for northern industrialists to undermine Southern growth in manufacturing and exports that the area now known as the "Rust Belt" feared would bring that status upon them 75 years sooner than actually happened.

The Confederate flag is a symbol of true Americanism. It has been turned into a false narrative, the idea that it stood for slavery and inhumanity, by the Unionists -- yes, we still have them, only now they have adopted liberalism, rather than industrialism, as their philosophy. The latter is probably much less profitable for them today, given their penchant for government control and the stifling of competition.

Now, having said all this, making the flag of a defeated republic the center of a societal upheaval is stupid. Gov. Nikki Haley (R-SC) made a sound decision in asking the legislature to reconvene and give approval to remove the flag from capitol grounds. Removing the focus of the Unionists in this fight gives them nothing more to whine about, and further exposes their "I think therefore I am" philosophy of life and politics.

 

[royalscot]

[h=1]Confederate flag: Calls grow for symbol to be retired[/h]
Confederate flag: Calls grow for symbol to be retired - BBC News
Pressure is mounting to withdraw the Confederate battle flag across the US, after South Carolina lawmakers called for its removal from the state house.
Efforts are under way in at least three other states to remove state-sponsored Confederate tributes, and retailers are clearing their shelves of it.
Protesters rallied in Columbia on Tuesday to demand the flag's removal from South Carolina's state capitol.
The state's governor, Nikki Haley, has said the flag should come down.
this news topic has also been reported in the uk.

 

[MadParrotWoman]

What is a confederate flag? What does it represent? Excuse my ignorance..

 

[kaylagrl]

Walmart to stop selling Confederate flag merchandise - CNNPolitics.com

Sears, Kmart, Ebay, many are joining..

Commercial form of censorship, or national hysteria?

Id say both!

 

[p_rehbein]

"This flag, while an integral part of our past, does not represent the future of our great state," the second-term governor said, in an announcement that drew thunderous applause and cheers."

Umm, the American flag today neither represents the great past of this nation...I guess that's next?

In many places, and especially on College campuses.....it is ALREADY next.

 

[kaylagrl]

What is a confederate flag? What does it represent? Excuse my ignorance..

It was the flag used by the Confederate States when they seceded from the United States during the Civil War. Some find it offensive and say it represents slavery.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

What is a confederate flag? What does it represent? Excuse my ignorance..

This was the flag of the Confederated States of America, otherwise known as the Secessionist South.

What it stood for is in my other post.

 

[MadParrotWoman]

Thanks for the replies. I can't say I've seen this flag before and if I had done I wouldn't know what it was for or even which country it represented. Thanks again, God bless.

 

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Now, having said all this, making the flag of a defeated republic the center of a societal upheaval is stupid. Gov. Nikki Haley (R-SC) made a sound decision in asking the legislature to reconvene and give approval to remove the flag from capitol grounds. Removing the focus of the Unionists in this fight gives them nothing more to whine about, and further exposes their "I think therefore I am" philosophy of life and politics.

But, as someone has said it probably won't stop with the flag..now there's flag boycotts, talk of going after monuments...I'm not so sure she made a good move...but maybe.

 

[Elizabeth619]

"This flag, while an integral part of our past, does not represent the future of our great state," the second-term governor said, in an announcement that drew thunderous applause and cheers."

Umm, the American flag today neither represents the great past of this nation...I guess that's next?

The American flag also flew over slavery long before the Confederate flag existed.

 

[crossnote]

Confederate Flag Campaign Pins Of Both Clintons’ Pasts | The Daily Caller

 

[Angela53510]

I remember being in California when I was 8 and visiting a little old lady next door. She had a full sized confederate flag hanging across one wall of her living room. It was the first time I could remember seeing that flag.

She was about 90, and this was the early 60's. So I would imagine she was born just after the Civil War. I asked her what the flag was for, and she gave me a long story about her "pappy" fighting against the north for freedom in the south.

At that age, and being Canadian, I of course had not a clue what she was talking about. But I will always remember the pride she had talking about her dad and the war. Very eye-opening for me!

Of course, I am very much against racism of any sort. Especially when it involves killing innocent people of any race or ethnic background!

 

[Utah]

Let it be known that this Yankee would have preferred the South won the war -- we'd all be relishing in a great deal more liberty than we do today under this tyrannical federal government.

Also, most of you are already aware that I am not politically correct whatsoever because PC is nothing more than liberal thought control, and I seriously dislike liberals.

I honor people's right to fly the Confederate Flag, but unfortunately the flag is hurtful to some people, many of them our Christian brethren, and because of that, I feel it shouldn't fly on government property.

 

[phil38111]

I remember being in California when I was 8 and visiting a little old lady next door. She had a full sized confederate flag hanging across one wall of her living room. It was the first time I could remember seeing that flag.

She was about 90, and this was the early 60's. So I would imagine she was born just after the Civil War. I asked her what the flag was for, and she gave me a long story about her "pappy" fighting against the north for freedom in the south.

At that age, and being Canadian, I of course had not a clue what she was talking about. But I will always remember the pride she had talking about her dad and the war. Very eye-opening for me!

Of course, I am very much against racism of any sort. Especially when it involves killing innocent people of any race or ethnic background!

She was proud that her ancestors fought to keep slavery. That says alot about her stance on racism. If you have relatives that fought for the south during the civil war that is nothing............I mean nothing to be proud of.

 

[phil38111]

She was proud that her ancestors fought to keep slavery. That says alot about her stance on racism. If you have relatives that fought for the south during the civil war that is nothing............I mean nothing to be proud of.

And I can gurantee you the old bag you visited was a staunch racist. lol.