Mississippi School District Fined for Opening Assembly with Prayer

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Siberian_Khatru

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Allowing a school assembly honoring high-achievers to open with a prayer made one Mississippi school district $7,500 poorer - and a student who sued $2,500 richer.
Full story (brief write up): Mississippi school district fined $7500 for opening assembly with prayer | Fox News

Christianity is forbidden in public academia. Lessons on dinosaurs and the age of the earth is an outrage. What's next? Is the hammer of the hypersensitive going to come down on arithmetic because it teaches absolutes? :rolleyes:
 

PennEd

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Our Bible study group is studying Acts 4 this week. The Mississippi story reminds of this passage:

[h=3]The Name of Jesus Forbidden[/h]13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were uneducated and untrained men, they marveled. And they realized that they had been with Jesus. 14 And seeing the man who had been healed standing with them, they could say nothing against it. 15 But when they had commanded them to go aside out of the council, they conferred among themselves,16 saying, “What shall we do to these men? For, indeed, that a notable miracle has been done through them is evident to all who dwell in Jerusalem, and we cannot deny it. 17 But so that it spreads no further among the people, let us severely threaten them, that from now on they speak to no man in this name.”
18 So they called them and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus. 19 But Peter and John answered and said to them, “Whether it is right in the sight of God to listen to you more than to God, you judge.20 For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard.” 21 So when they had further threatened them, they let them go, finding no way of punishing them, because of the people, since they all glorified God for what had been done. 22 For the man was over forty years old on whom this miracle of healing had been performed.
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Money well spent! God bless them.
 
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jaybird88

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the chhool should refuse to pay it. tell em take the fine and shove it. let every student and teacher volunteer to go to jail for refusing to sell out their beliefs.
 
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jkalyna

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This is not the USA I knew. It's the devil I knew though, that comes to rob, steal, and destroy. Poor children, they are being robbed, of knowing a God exists, you know in public schools they teach evolution, that the ape, and man are related. The USA is a very easy target to get the youth into Jihadist, because there is nothing for them to believe in, or hold on too. This is why they are going to collages, online to recruit, people want to believe in something, and if you deny them the truth, they will believe a lie. I can't even believe I live here, but my real citizen spiritually is in heaven, so I moved. :) 406cb1afd83fbbf507ee8a0894cc45fc.jpg
 
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Here's what actually happened:

Magdalene Bedi, a junior at Northwest Rankin High School in 2013, didn't subscribe to an institutional religion, but considered herself spiritual—and not an atheist. Still, Christian prayer and ceremonies at school bothered her, and she usually escaped to the library during school assemblies.

In April of that year, Bedi's senior friends warned her that a local church was sponsoring an all-class assembly she would want to skip. Bedi tried to go to the library, but this time school officials told her she was required to attend the assembly.

As a result, Bedi sued Northwest Rankin for violating the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. It would have violated her values not to fight back, she says now. "I am not a confrontational person," Bedi told the Jackson Free Press. "I did not intend to sue or lead a brigade against the Christians."

The problem was and still is that school-sponsored religious assemblies are illegal, in the most fundamental sense—the Constitution prohibits government from promoting or establishing a religion. Public schools are subject to religious freedom as established in the First Amendment in two ways. Schools are not allowed to sponsor or promote any religion, while they must allow students to create and form their own independent religious groups if they so choose.

The American Humanist Association or AHA stepped in to sue on Bedi's behalf, and a lawsuit followed. By November 2013, Bedi and the AHA established a consent decree that required Rankin County School District to pay Bedi's legal fees, admit liability to the assemblies and promise to abide by their new religion policy that said, "school activities conducted during instructional hours should neither advance, endorse or inhibit any religion." If the district violated these terms, AHA had the power to step in and file a motion for contempt.

Bedi thought she had won, but was dismayed when an ACT Awards Ceremony was opened with a prayer from a local minister, with words Bedi remembers as "we came here to celebrate not only life but death," invoking the Easter season into the ceremony.

At Bedi's notice of the awards ceremony and another violation based on a tip that a Rankin County elementary school was distributing Bibles, the AHA filed the motion for contempt they had promised, saying the school district blatantly disregarded the consent decree both parties made in 2013.

On July 13, 2015, Rankin County School District was found in contempt of court. U.S. District Circuit Judge Carlton Reeves ordered the school district to pay $7,500 in damages to Bedi. If another violation occurs, they will have to continue to pay Bedi, with a higher sticker price of $10,000 per infraction.

Matt Steffey, a law professor at Mississippi College of Law, said that the Establishment Clause at the school level invokes a complex body of law. Two main principles come into play with Bedi's case, however. "Government can't prefer one religion over another religion or over non-religion," Steffey said. "(Government) can't do anything that endorses a particular religion or religion generally, either."
Rankin Schools Paying for Religion Violation | JFP Mobile | Jackson, Mississippi
 
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jaybird88

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i would like more details on why she was forced to go? looks like every other time its ok not to go. what changed?
"I am not a confrontational person," Bedi told the Jackson Free Press. "I did not intend to sue or lead a brigade against the Christians."
actions speak louder than wordsand her actions show she is every bit of what she says she is not.
was she forced to go to the 2nd assembly and was she forced to take a bible?
something does not add up
 
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TecumsehGR

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i would like more details on why she was forced to go? looks like every other time its ok not to go. what changed?
"I am not a confrontational person," Bedi told the Jackson Free Press. "I did not intend to sue or lead a brigade against the Christians."
actions speak louder than wordsand her actions show she is every bit of what she says she is not.
was she forced to go to the 2nd assembly and was she forced to take a bible?
something does not add up
If you're interested in reading more, then I'd look here:

Complaint in M.B. v. Rankin County School District

http://americanhumanist.org/system/storage/2/8c/e/4780/Court_Accepted_Order_-_Rankin.pdf

http://americanhumanist.org/system/storage/2/05/f/4781/Exhibit_A_of_settlement_-_Rankin.pdf

http://americanhumanist.org/system/...ndum_In_Support_of_Motion_5-7-14_AS_FILED.pdf

I don't know why anyone would blame the plaintiff. She wasn't in the wrong whatsoever.
 
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jaybird88

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so far i have read 3 articles and i can only find the plaintiff saying she was forced to go. with no explanation why the change in this policy(before she didnt have to go) this throws up red flags for me. sounds like she was fishing for attention and a lawsuit.
 

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This is not the USA I knew. It's the devil I knew though, that comes to rob, steal, and destroy. Poor children, they are being robbed, of knowing a God exists, you know in public schools they teach evolution, that the ape, and man are related. The USA is a very easy target to get the youth into Jihadist, because there is nothing for them to believe in, or hold on too. This is why they are going to collages, online to recruit, people want to believe in something, and if you deny them the truth, they will believe a lie. I can't even believe I live here, but my real citizen spiritually is in heaven, so I moved. :) View attachment 129270
Well seeing how it should be the family's responsibility to teach their child about God not some public school teachers I don't see an issue. People need to step up in their own lives.
 
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jaybird88

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Well seeing how it should be the family's responsibility to teach their child about God not some public school teachers I don't see an issue. People need to step up in their own lives.
public school teachers had nothing to do with it, this was a student assembly, organized by the kids. i would say the kids were raised well.
 
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Mitspa

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Well seeing how it should be the family's responsibility to teach their child about God not some public school teachers I don't see an issue. People need to step up in their own lives.
Why not? If the public desires a school system that represents their social values....why is right for evil folks to shape the public schools but not right for moral folks to decide what kind of schools they want? We as believers have every right and the responsibility to shape our society to represent our values.
 
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jaybird88

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the whole point is to do away with public schools, shut em down and make us pay for our kids school. eventually all the good social programs will be gone and then 100% of our tax will go to pay interest to the fed and subsidies to the big corporations.
 
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Christianity is forbidden in public academia. Lessons on dinosaurs and the age of the earth is an outrage. What's next? Is the hammer of the hypersensitive going to come down on arithmetic because it teaches absolutes? :rolleyes:
Actually, Christianity isn't forbidden in public academia...depending on the circumstances. The SCHOOL cannot support religion (such as including prayers before sports games, assemblies, etc.), nor can TEACHERS (as representatives of the district) teach their religion. (Information about various religions and the influence of religion is presented in some classes--World History, European History, etc.)

However, it is perfectly legal for student-led groups to have meetings before or after school for prayer or bible study. It's perfectly legal for students to pray before a meal in the cafeteria or before a test in a classroom. At my previous school district, there was a regular Wednesday prayer meeting that happened before school. Completely student-led. It was regularly advertised during the announcement time. All perfectly legal.
 

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Some people think there are more restrictions on religion in public schools than there actually are. For example, at the school that I work at we have a Good News Bible club that a lot of the kids are members of. Lots of prayer meetings too. If you live in an area that has a big Christian presence then Christianity will play a bigger role in the schools, whether public or private.
 

Nautilus

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public school teachers had nothing to do with it, this was a student assembly, organized by the kids. i would say the kids were raised well.
After looking through the fox news story i saw nothing about the students rganizing the assembly, because well it was apparently district wide. So yes the teachers and administrators would have plenty to do with it.
 

Nautilus

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Why not? If the public desires a school system that represents their social values....why is right for evil folks to shape the public schools but not right for moral folks to decide what kind of schools they want? We as believers have every right and the responsibility to shape our society to represent our values.
Well then which christianity would they be teaching? The insane version from the holiness pentecostals with their tongues, and fake seizures and oppressing women? Or maybe the pro-gay pro-female ultra-liberal episcopalian or anglican version of christianity? Maybe some ultra-legalistic bible-thumping baptist christianity? I mean as a mainstream protestant, I wouldn't want my kids being taught that any of those were christianity.
 

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My children had daily Bible Study at home. We prayed at breakfast, not only for breakfast, but for the entire day's activities. We sent them to school for an education, but we participated with them in every subject they studied and corrected any wrong information. With what I see teaching school today, the last thing that I want is for them to be the person responsible for my children's Christian and Moral development. I certainly would not want to stand before God and tell him that I depended on the public school system for my child's understanding of his word.

How many times did you pray "Lord please help me get correct answer" while you were in school?
 
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Mitspa

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Well then which christianity would they be teaching? The insane version from the holiness pentecostals with their tongues, and fake seizures and oppressing women? Or maybe the pro-gay pro-female ultra-liberal episcopalian or anglican version of christianity? Maybe some ultra-legalistic bible-thumping baptist christianity? I mean as a mainstream protestant, I wouldn't want my kids being taught that any of those were christianity.
I think each local community should have the ability to bring the moral precepts into the education of those who will be living in their society ... a Christian community should have every right to influence the educational system they support with their tax dollars. We have a process in each community and each community should be given as much liberty as possible to influence the education of their children...this is just common sense to me. Its only when one buys into this whole left-wing idea that the Christian faith is illegal or offensive that one cannot see this.
 

Dude653

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Well then which christianity would they be teaching? The insane version from the holiness pentecostals with their tongues, and fake seizures and oppressing women? Or maybe the pro-gay pro-female ultra-liberal episcopalian or anglican version of christianity? Maybe some ultra-legalistic bible-thumping baptist christianity? I mean as a mainstream protestant, I wouldn't want my kids being taught that any of those were christianity.
I'm guessing you attend First Assembly of Trolling.