'Strong evidence' of Israeli war crimes in Gaza

[Drett]

For those that are not desensitized to direct targeting and bombing of fleeing civilians and bombing of densely populated civilian areas. The rest can continue to whine.

The Israeli army indiscriminately and deliberately targeted civilians during a brutal 2014 assault known as "Black Friday", according to a new report on last summer's Gaza war.
The joint study by Amnesty International and Forensic Architecture, released on Wednesday, cites "strong evidence" of war crimes and possible crimes against humanity on August 1, 2014, as Israeli forces bombarded residential areas in Rafah in retaliation for the capture of one of its soldiers.
"There is overwhelming evidence that Israeli forces committed disproportionate, or otherwise indiscriminate, attacks which killed scores of civilians in their homes, on the streets and in vehicles and injured many more," notes the report.
"This includes repeatedly firing artillery and other imprecise explosive weapons in densely populated civilian areas… In some cases, there are indications that they directly fired at and killed civilians, including people fleeing."

'Strong evidence' of Israeli war crimes in Gaza - Al Jazeera English

 

[Mitspa]

do you have any sources besides Al Jazeera?

 

[NotmebutHim]

Apparently the area underneath the bridge isn't big enough to contain all the...well you know

 

[Skinski7]

For those that are not desensitized to direct targeting and bombing of fleeing civilians and bombing of densely populated civilian areas. The rest can continue to whine.

The Israeli army indiscriminately and deliberately targeted civilians during a brutal 2014 assault known as "Black Friday", according to a new report on last summer's Gaza war.
The joint study by Amnesty International and Forensic Architecture, released on Wednesday, cites "strong evidence" of war crimes and possible crimes against humanity on August 1, 2014, as Israeli forces bombarded residential areas in Rafah in retaliation for the capture of one of its soldiers.
"There is overwhelming evidence that Israeli forces committed disproportionate, or otherwise indiscriminate, attacks which killed scores of civilians in their homes, on the streets and in vehicles and injured many more," notes the report.
"This includes repeatedly firing artillery and other imprecise explosive weapons in densely populated civilian areas… In some cases, there are indications that they directly fired at and killed civilians, including people fleeing."

'Strong evidence' of Israeli war crimes in Gaza - Al Jazeera English

The same thing occurs regularly in the Donbass region of Ukraine.

The western media, in general, turns the other way.

 

[Skinski7]

do you have any sources besides Al Jazeera?

Amnesty report charges Israel with war crimes for massive bombing of Rafah during Gaza war - Diplomacy and Defense - - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

'Amnesty report is fundamentally flawed, shows its compulsive obsessiveness towards Israel' - Arab-Israeli Conflict - Jerusalem Post

Gaza destruction comes under forensic lens in Amnesty report | Reuters

 

[crossnote]

Yet Arabs are members of the Knesset...you don't see Jews as members of the Saudi/Jordanian/Iranian/Iraqui etc., government.

Funny how the Gaza population keeps growing despite those 'murderous' Jews.

Funnier that the Israelis are blamed in the 2014 conflict when Hamas used residential homes and private businesses as 'shields' and even when Israel gave fair warning by hitting the roof tops with small ammo, Hamas kept the residents from fleeing the premises.

Drett, go back to Gaza.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

do you have any sources besides Al Jazeera?

Terrorist sympathizers seldom have use for any source other than al-Jezeera. Same reason Skinski doesn't use any source other than Russian in reporting Ukranian "atrocities."

 

[Skinski7]

Terrorist sympathizers seldom have use for any source other than al-Jezeera. Same reason Skinski doesn't use any source other than Russian in reporting Ukranian "atrocities."

Anna Tuv is a real person whose daughter and husband were both ripped to pieces right in front of her as the result of a Ukrainian shell.

[video=youtube;AhkZiEIip5o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhkZiEIip5o[/video]


To dismiss such a thing on the basis that the western media generally turns a blind eye is simply willful ignorance.

 

[Skinski7]

Likewise the OSCE documented airstrike conducted by the Ukrainian airforce upon downtown Lugansk was a real event which killed real civilians.

Even though the western media, in general, ignored it and just because the Kiev government asserts that the incident was due to "separatists misfiring at an air conditioning unit" does not make it true.

[video=youtube;tuS2UD1mbt0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuS2UD1mbt0[/video]


The Watchdog Media Institute was founded by an Australian who utilises material from all points of view.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Anna Tuv is a real person whose daughter and husband were both ripped to pieces right in front of her as the result of a Ukrainian shell.

Didn't see any real proof there that it was Ukranian. It was an exchange of artillery, and what strikes me is that the damage to the home indicates the shell came from the east -- where the "separatists" artillery was located.

 

[Skinski7]

There are also journalists like Patrick Lancaster (USA Citizen) who document much of what is occurring regarding the shelling in Donetsk and its surrounds.

Patrick Lancaster is not a Russian source. He may speak a little Russian now due to documenting the conflict since it began but he is certainly not a Russian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUViSN6pGBE

 

[Skinski7]

Didn't see any real proof there that it was Ukranian. It was an exchange of artillery, and what strikes me is that the damage to the home indicates the shell came from the east -- where the "separatists" artillery was located.

You see what you want to see.

There are hundreds upon hundreds of videos with interviews and testimony of Ukrainian shelling of civilians.

Even way back when Slavyansk was under siege, it was Ukrainian shells which werek falling on and killing multitudes of civilians.

[video=youtube;VQuHOyYqeIo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQuHOyYqeIo[/video]

One has to seriously stick their head in the sand to ignore it.


The video on Lugansk above actually has five separate videos filmed from five different locations of the Ukrainian air strike on downtown Lugansk, an airstrike which Kiev still denies took place to this day, an airstrike that the U.S. State Department refuses to comment directly upon.

 

[Skinski7]

It is a lie to claim that "Skinski only uses Russian sources."

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

There are also journalists like Patrick Lancaster (USA Citizen) who document much of what is occurring regarding the shelling in Donetsk and its surrounds.

Patrick Lancaster is not a Russian source. He may speak a little Russian now due to documenting the conflict since it began but he is certainly not a Russian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUViSN6pGBE

None of which responds to the very obvious physical evidence of the real source of the deadly shell.

 

[skylove7]

Yet Arabs are members of the Knesset...you don't see Jews as members of the Saudi/Jordanian/Iranian/Iraqui etc., government.

Funny how the Gaza population keeps growing despite those 'murderous' Jews.

Funnier that the Israelis are blamed in the 2014 conflict when Hamas used residential homes and private businesses as 'shields' and even when Israel gave fair warning by hitting the roof tops with small ammo, Hamas kept the residents from fleeing the premises.

Drett, go back to Gaza.

Amen crossnote!

 

[Skinski7]

None of which responds to the very obvious physical evidence of the real source of the deadly shell.

You pick and choose what to look at. That last Patrick Lancaster report was just an example of a report given by a non-Russian source, a source you claim I NEVER use. I have not researched into that incident so I do not know where that shell came from.

As for many other incidents, the Ukrainian authorities are surely culpable of the killing of thousands of civilians via the use of indiscriminate shelling.

 

[skylove7]

Christians suffer because the hunger of man...has a NEED to FEED...all they lack to WANT to give

Thats all I came up with
Not being wise and all

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

I have not researched into that incident so I do not know where that shell came from.

And yet you hurry to post on CC&F, claiming it was Ukranian? I don't suppose you see the problem with that, huh?

As for many other incidents, the Ukrainian authorities are surely culpable of the killing of thousands of civilians via the use of indiscriminate shelling.

It isn't clear to me they are "culpable" in anything but the defense of their country from the Russian mobster running the country who wants to reestablish the old Soviet empire. So forgive me if I refuse to see Ukraine as guilty of anything other than the typical collateral damage of a border war with the Russians, who desperately want to convince the world they are innocent and doing nothing more than supporting a "civil uprising" when in truth it is an invasion

My stepson has a girlfriend trapped near Donetsk. We get infrequent and sporadic Skype reports from her regarding what's happening in the Ukrainian east, and it is nothing like how you attempt to paint it. The Russians are definitely the aggressors, they are definitely invading Ukraine just as they did Crimea, and they definitely intend to reestablish the old Soviet.

The sooner you admit to the facts, the better off you will be. Right now, you believe lies -- or perhaps willfully perpetuate them. Whichever it is, you're supporting the wrong side..

 

[Skinski7]

And yet you hurry to post on CC&F, claiming it was Ukranian? I don't suppose you see the problem with that, huh?

You either have a comprehension problem you willfully ignore the obvious.

I'll say it again. The Patrick Lancaster report posted above is an example of a non-Russian report and I posted to contradict your false claim that "Skinski doesn't use any source other than Russian in reporting Ukranian "atrocities."

I could even post other non-Russian sources too which report of similar incidents.

Ana Tuv is a non-Russian source too. She is a Ukrainian lady who had her arm blown off by a shell and there is a video above made by an Australian using source material filmed in Gorlovka. Russia has nothing to do with that video.

It isn't clear to me they are "culpable" in anything but the defense of their country from the Russian mobster running the country who wants to reestablish the old Soviet empire. So forgive me if I refuse to see Ukraine as guilty of anything other than the typical collateral damage of a border war with the Russians, who desperately want to convince the world they are innocent and doing nothing more than supporting a "civil uprising" when in truth it is an invasion.

There is clear evil on both sides of the conflict. There is nothing wrong with pointing out the bias in the western media/governments which constantly turn their heads the other way.

 

[Skinski7]

My stepson has a girlfriend trapped near Donetsk. We get infrequent and sporadic Skype reports from her regarding what's happening in the Ukrainian east, and it is nothing like how you attempt to paint it. The Russians are definitely the aggressors, they are definitely invading Ukraine just as they did Crimea, and they definitely intend to reestablish the old Soviet.

You have a very simplistic way of viewing things. The eastern part of Ukraine did not support Maiden and in fact has a very large groundswell against it, especially as a response to the persecution of people who would identify with Russian culture.

When the ATO (Anti-Terrorist Operation) began there is extensive footage of civilians attempting to block the tanks from entering their towns. There is footage of Right Sector Neo-Nazi thugs bashing Ukrainian anti-maiden activists. There is footage of the pro-Russian presidential candidate getting his head bashed in by Ukrainian nationalist thugs. On and on.

The resistance in the east of the country is not the result of a "Russian Invasion" as you put it but the result of an anti-Russian nationalism which was allowed to reign unchecked.

It is the deeper issues like that which people like you prefer to ignore. That is why I can post a video about Anna Tuv whose arm was blown off, whose daughter and husband were both blown into pieces, a video which has her first hand testimony as well as the testimony of many witnesses and you can just pass over it as "Russian propaganda."

Real people are dying in the Donbass frequently and those real people include woman and children who die as the result of indiscriminate shelling and it is not the militants simply shelling the territory they control, even if that is what you prefer to believe.



The sooner you admit to the facts, the better off you will be. Right now, you believe lies -- or perhaps willfully perpetuate them. Whichever it is, you're supporting the wrong side..[/QUOTE]