Where is the footage from the drone itself? Seems the police should confiscate and analyze that. That's what will clear it all up. The owners video of the data log is irrelevant. With todays zoom cameras 272 ft of altitude doesn't mean squat, and you don't have to be directly over someone's property to spy into it. Spying is usually a little better from a distance. And 2 seconds transiting the property is plenty of time to rip off some stills. I'm not buying the owners story. Produce the video and pics from the drone itself.
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Doesn't your own statement prevent you from "deciding" Meredith is wrong?
No, of course not. But hovering for several minutes, the camera obviously focusing on a sunbathing teenage daughter is evidence that is exactly what Drone Owner was doing, and if that is a bitter pill for you to swallow, I'm sorry. Several witnesses report that is exactly what Drone Owner was doing, and I'm talking witnesses outside the family. He has nothing but his own word.
What would you suggest? How do you stop a Peeping Tom using drone technology to hover out of reach of his hands or a fishing net?
Again, two neighbors say that is what Drone Owner was doing. It's not like they all rushed out into the yard with a shotgun and started blasting away. They watched what Drone Owner was doing before taking action. By the way, it wasn't the first time the girls and the neighbors had seen this same drone "doing whatever it was doing" (i.e., spying on the girls) while the girls sunbathed.
And yet again, that isn't why Meredith shot it down.
I don't know what the drone pilot thought he could get away with. Neither do you. Perhaps straying over the property line was a mistake that resulted in the demise of his expensive drone. Or perhaps the nuerous times before that the drone had been spotted pointing its camera at the girls was enough for Meredith to decide enough was enough. And if he did, I agree with him.
Why do you think being "young" precludes him from being a pervert? Just because you aren't doesn't mean he is not. How many teens and young adults get arrested every day for taking "upskirt" pictures or planting remote-feed videos in the toilet bowls of women's bathrooms? Or do you not realize that more perverts get started before their tenth birthday?
How you can decide he's "trigger happy" if he "acted like any father that wants to protect their kids' honor would act"? That's not quite logical.
You're a drone owner. How many drones that look exactly like yours are there in your town? In your state? You "come on."
Since he was such a good shot -- he only shot once -- I'd say he knew whether it was safe to blast at the drone or not.
Yep, very clear, "acting like any father that wants to protect their kids' honor would act."
I doubt he thought he'd be arrested. But let's remember, he wasn't arrested for shooting down the drone. Heck, the cops probably applauded him when they heard his story down at the station.
He was arrested for discharging a firearm in the city. I doubt he's going to have to do anything but pay a fine, and if the kid with the shot-down drone tries to collect in civil court, he'll get laughed off the docket. I can hear the judge now: "Maybe you better think next time you send your drone up about what you're doing and who you're looking at."
No, of course not. But hovering for several minutes, the camera obviously focusing on a sunbathing teenage daughter is evidence that is exactly what Drone Owner was doing, and if that is a bitter pill for you to swallow, I'm sorry. Several witnesses report that is exactly what Drone Owner was doing, and I'm talking witnesses outside the family. He has nothing but his own word.
What would you suggest? How do you stop a Peeping Tom using drone technology to hover out of reach of his hands or a fishing net?
Again, two neighbors say that is what Drone Owner was doing. It's not like they all rushed out into the yard with a shotgun and started blasting away. They watched what Drone Owner was doing before taking action. By the way, it wasn't the first time the girls and the neighbors had seen this same drone "doing whatever it was doing" (i.e., spying on the girls) while the girls sunbathed.
And yet again, that isn't why Meredith shot it down.
I don't know what the drone pilot thought he could get away with. Neither do you. Perhaps straying over the property line was a mistake that resulted in the demise of his expensive drone. Or perhaps the nuerous times before that the drone had been spotted pointing its camera at the girls was enough for Meredith to decide enough was enough. And if he did, I agree with him.
Why do you think being "young" precludes him from being a pervert? Just because you aren't doesn't mean he is not. How many teens and young adults get arrested every day for taking "upskirt" pictures or planting remote-feed videos in the toilet bowls of women's bathrooms? Or do you not realize that more perverts get started before their tenth birthday?
How you can decide he's "trigger happy" if he "acted like any father that wants to protect their kids' honor would act"? That's not quite logical.
You're a drone owner. How many drones that look exactly like yours are there in your town? In your state? You "come on."
Since he was such a good shot -- he only shot once -- I'd say he knew whether it was safe to blast at the drone or not.
Yep, very clear, "acting like any father that wants to protect their kids' honor would act."
I doubt he thought he'd be arrested. But let's remember, he wasn't arrested for shooting down the drone. Heck, the cops probably applauded him when they heard his story down at the station.
He was arrested for discharging a firearm in the city. I doubt he's going to have to do anything but pay a fine, and if the kid with the shot-down drone tries to collect in civil court, he'll get laughed off the docket. I can hear the judge now: "Maybe you better think next time you send your drone up about what you're doing and who you're looking at."
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As Elie Mystal wrote for Above the Law about the New Jersey case last October:
The situation can be compared to a trespass, GigaOM says: "In this sense, the law is the same as what applies when a car or a cow trespasses on your land — you can remove the car or cow (or whatever) and bill the owner for your trouble, but you can't simply destroy the invading article."
"I don't think I've ever been on the side of a person who discharged a weapon in a non-lethal situation, but if your jackass neighbor is spying on your property with a remote controlled doohickey, shouldn't you be allowed to destroy it?"
The issue centers on imminent harm, robotics law expert Ryan Calo of the University of Washington tells tech site GigaOM. He says, "You would probably have to be threatened physically, or another person or maybe your property, for you to be able to destroy someone else's drone without fear of a counterclaim."
The situation can be compared to a trespass, GigaOM says: "In this sense, the law is the same as what applies when a car or a cow trespasses on your land — you can remove the car or cow (or whatever) and bill the owner for your trouble, but you can't simply destroy the invading article."
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If you don't want it blasted, then keep it away from other people's yards. There are a lot of creeps in existence who DO hide cameras in bathrooms and dressing rooms or try to peek in places they shouldn't. I don't have time to sit around and suss out why a robot with a camera is hovering in my space, or the possible intentions of its owner. if it's not invited, I'm assuming the worst in order to protect my privacy. If you value your toys, control them and keep it away. It's on you, 100% as the owner.
This is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to problems these things are going to present in the very near future unless some responsible rules for their use are enacted.
In this case how was the father to know that this camera wasn't being streamed directly to the internet. I promise you, that if you want to play with your toy?, you had better keep it off my property, and it's camera off my children. If I see it, I'll do my best to eliminate it.
In this case how was the father to know that this camera wasn't being streamed directly to the internet. I promise you, that if you want to play with your toy?, you had better keep it off my property, and it's camera off my children. If I see it, I'll do my best to eliminate it.
There are no federal laws prohibiting a drone from flying over personal property at this time just as long as it flys withing certain height limitations. While not new, drone technology is becoming more affordable thus you are seeing more & more hobbyists every year. As of right now, drone technology must adhere to federal and state "remote control vehicle laws". However, many states have ammended such laws to include drone use seeing as many businesses and emergency agencies hope to use drones for various reasons.
I am a drone owner & pilot. I own seven drones. Four are custom built for high velocity racing & aerial acrobatics. The other three are for training purposes. Drone racing is becoming very popular and you are likely to see a professional circuit sooner than later. I've also been approached by many real estate agencies looking to hire me & my pilots to record video of houses for sale & rental properties in order to produce virtual tours of their properties for website & social media use.
If the man who shot the drone down had lived in the country, chances are he would not have been arrested. However, there are various local laws & ordinances that regulate weapons fire, which it looks as though thats what he was arrested for. Most responsible drone owners would not trespass onto someone else's property without seeking permission first. Most drone owners custom build & drop a small fortune into their drones for various reasons, many drones being worth more than a used car, and they would never chance losing such an expensive piece of technology that they've put so much time into.
Like it or not, drones not only here to stay, theres a good chances that most of you will live to see the day when you encounter at least one drone on a daily basis.
I am a drone owner & pilot. I own seven drones. Four are custom built for high velocity racing & aerial acrobatics. The other three are for training purposes. Drone racing is becoming very popular and you are likely to see a professional circuit sooner than later. I've also been approached by many real estate agencies looking to hire me & my pilots to record video of houses for sale & rental properties in order to produce virtual tours of their properties for website & social media use.
If the man who shot the drone down had lived in the country, chances are he would not have been arrested. However, there are various local laws & ordinances that regulate weapons fire, which it looks as though thats what he was arrested for. Most responsible drone owners would not trespass onto someone else's property without seeking permission first. Most drone owners custom build & drop a small fortune into their drones for various reasons, many drones being worth more than a used car, and they would never chance losing such an expensive piece of technology that they've put so much time into.
Like it or not, drones not only here to stay, theres a good chances that most of you will live to see the day when you encounter at least one drone on a daily basis.
Speaking of airports (not LAX but JFK)...(Sorry Can't get the crazy link to work)
Pilot Reports Third Drone Sighting In Three Days Near JFK Airport
Pilot Reports Third Drone Sighting In Three Days Near JFK Airport
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