Trump offends the feminized American male

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I notice a lot of candidates been using the "Evolve" word on their issues.

Lol so it seems the US presidential race has devolved from an epic dynastic duel ala Romance of the Three Kingdoms to now being Pokémon.

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Lol And just for the laughs I searched GOP Pokémon on youtube and found this funny little video I did not see before. A little callback to last cycle lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKw4gyvLJO4
[video=youtube;aKw4gyvLJO4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKw4gyvLJO4[/video]
 
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I know right...evolve is one of those words that is a euphemism for...I've changed...I think differently now based on my experience in life etc. George Carlin has a pretty good bit about euphemisms that's pretty entertaining.
 
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So I bother you? That's cool if I do...I mean you can say it. I'm a dink. Lol....But Trump has made me see things a little differently......and this is coming from a guy who Trump really pretty much irritated. But come on..the guy doesn't drink...he's all about the business and maybe..just maybe..he truly cares about the little guy (you and me) and how we have gotten royally screwed buy the United States Corporation of America. He's appearing more and more like a guy I would follow into battle. Can you imagine following Obama into battle? Boehner Bama, Bush, Biden, Ben, Mrs Bubba....isn't it funny how their names all start with B?....I think Gomer Pyle would be a better leader than anyone of those "schmos".
That's good. Yes it is. The scariest thing is this: after 8 years of Obama our next president is another politician. Frightening. B is bad, very Bad.
 
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I know right...evolve is one of those words that is a euphemism for...I've changed...I think differently now based on my experience in life etc. George Carlin has a pretty good bit about euphemisms that's pretty entertaining.
Yea but the thing is, Trump don't seem very different to me. People forget all the other times he's been in GOP debates and dropped out. If Trump actually won though I don't think it be good for America or for even himself. Trump is too independent and libertine. Works well as a private citizen, and it is even a common mindset in America. Does not work so well as public servant though. At this time and where we're going to find ourselves at after Obama is a sober reality check. We don't need a reality TV star. For this job need someone fair-handed, rational, and experienced.


For now though it is still early. It's all just a show and Trump may still prove useful.

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Yea but the thing is, Trump don't seem very different to me. People forget all the other times he's been in GOP debates and dropped out. If Trump actually won though I don't think it be good for America or for even himself. Trump is too independent and libertine. Works well as a private citizen, and it is even a common mindset in America. Does not work so well as public servant though. At this time and where we're going to find ourselves at after Obama is a sober reality check. We don't need a reality TV star. For this job need someone fair-handed, rational, and experienced.


For now though it is still early. It's all just a show and Trump may still prove useful.

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you know...as people age they tend to take stock in their lives...and some even take the things God has given them and leverage them to make a real impact in the world....for the good. What isn't fair is to not give the man his say without dismissing him out of hand. History tends to tell the truth about the man and if he will rise to the occasion or fall in his own pit.
 
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you know...as people age they tend to take stock in their lives...and some even take the things God has given them and leverage them to make a real impact in the world....for the good. What isn't fair is to not give the man his say without dismissing him out of hand. History tends to tell the truth about the man and if he will rise to the occasion or fall in his own pit.
Donald Trump will have his say and he has had his say many times before. This is not the first time he has run for president. It's not too dissimilar to the other times he has run either. That is how I have arrived at my conclusions. You can even see it in Trump's answers. He's quite forthright about it. Then there is even the more curious answers like his idea of tinkering with citizenship that make me wary of what ambitions he may actually have were he to somehow win. I see how this indeed is not a bad mindset for the business realm. I hope Trump will do well in his private life. Not good for the job needed though, a servant, in the time and place we find ourselves in and will find ourselves in.
 
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Beware a privileged politician; he won't care about the underprivileged. Silver spoons and all that.
 
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Beware a privileged politician; he won't care about the underprivileged. Silver spoons and all that.
As a businessman I think trump understands that a strong middle class is good for the bottom line.
 
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I don't agree with every point Trump made. But the man does feel down to earth for certain than most candidates.
 
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As a businessman I think trump understands that a strong middle class is good for the bottom line.
Trump's not the businessman in the family, his father is. Trump was brought up with money, and nearly bankrupted himself and his businesses several times. He's reckless in manner and in speech, he doesn't understand how impoverished many Americans are, he's uber-libertarian economically, and one minute he's saying George Bush is the worst president ever, next he's hard neo-conservative.

The man is (and it's a problem with American society in general) an idiot given far to much access to public platforms, and I think he'd make an atrocious president. Donald Trump looking after contemporary America is like a polar bear looking after a meat packing plant (meaning that he's out for what he can get, with no idea of what his responsibility really is). America needs a rational leader to move it forward, not an idiot with a big stick and no sense of his own strength.
 
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Trump's not the businessman in the family, his father is. Trump was brought up with money, and nearly bankrupted himself and his businesses several times. He's reckless in manner and in speech, he doesn't understand how impoverished many Americans are, he's uber-libertarian economically, and one minute he's saying George Bush is the worst president ever, next he's hard neo-conservative.

The man is (and it's a problem with American society in general) an idiot given far to much access to public platforms, and I think he'd make an atrocious president. Donald Trump looking after contemporary America is like a polar bear looking after a meat packing plant (meaning that he's out for what he can get, with no idea of what his responsibility really is). America needs a rational leader to move it forward, not an idiot with a big stick and no sense of his own strength.
You speak half truths. Incomplete. Lack details. Hence, distorted.
 
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You speak half truths. Incomplete. Lack details. Hence, distorted.
If I'm reflecting half truths about Trump it's because I'm yet to come across a current politician who speaks full ones. Trump's a right wing authoritarian. That's Thatcherism at best and Hitlerism at worst. If he becomes president, prepare for high military spending, low corporation taxes and an economy that's heavily levied against the poor, (not unlike the way the United Kingdom is heading).

That'd be okay if the poorest Americans had minimum level incomes that were based on a living standard and on parity with inflation. But they aren't. The minimum wage in the US isn't based on a living standard, it's based on how much profit the big fat-cat in the Ferrari can squeeze out of his employees' salaries, and Trump is all for that. That means a distribution of wealth that continues to get top heavier. It looks good when the annual global financial statistics come out and lo and behold, the US is top of the list again; see you can't be of the position that the biggest companies deserve the biggest breaks without buying into the delusion that really high GDP on paper means a really healthy economy.

The delusion therein is that big corporate profits are synonymous with a "healthy middle class". They aren't. Contemporary Russia is a great case study in how to swiftly form oligarchical government. Trump would be yay for the banks, yay for Steve Jobs' beneficiaries yay for the Transatlantic Trade Agreement. Not so yay for the increasing proportion of the population who've gotta prop them up by slogging 40 hours a week for a pathetic pittance.
 
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The simple solution to this problem is to force big business to fund social initiatives. Whether that's through taxes, higher minimum wages, or profit apportioning, I don't really care. I just want those on minimum incomes to make enough money to live a lot more decently than they do. Otherwise, there's no real incentive for the less-than-average-intelligence 49% of the population who have to carry out the tasks the more-than-average-intelligence 49% of the population are likely to be able to avoid.

Menial tasks and manual labour make up the backbone of a country, yet the country with the largest economy in the West seems to have gotten itself to a position of thinking it's okay to treat those who do those tasks with disdain. That's how the corporate mindset works; streamline the work process, dehumanize the workforce. America has changed a lot since the days of James Adams, but you shouldn't forget her roots; because if the country fails to look after the working class -- the buttresses of its economy -- then you might as well trade the American dream away for mass farms controlled by companies who prefer machinery to manpower, to corporate government who lobby for the interests of financial institutions, war-for-profit, and a ... oh wait ... that's already happening.
 

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When will we get another man like James Adams?
 
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If I'm reflecting half truths about Trump it's because I'm yet to come across a current politician who speaks full ones. Trump's a right wing authoritarian. That's Thatcherism at best and Hitlerism at worst. If he becomes president, prepare for high military spending, low corporation taxes and an economy that's heavily levied against the poor, (not unlike the way the United Kingdom is heading).

That'd be okay if the poorest Americans had minimum level incomes that were based on a living standard and on parity with inflation. But they aren't. The minimum wage in the US isn't based on a living standard, it's based on how much profit the big fat-cat in the Ferrari can squeeze out of his employees' salaries, and Trump is all for that. That means a distribution of wealth that continues to get top heavier. It looks good when the annual global financial statistics come out and lo and behold, the US is top of the list again; see you can't be of the position that the biggest companies deserve the biggest breaks without buying into the delusion that really high GDP on paper means a really healthy economy.

The delusion therein is that big corporate profits are synonymous with a "healthy middle class". They aren't. Contemporary Russia is a great case study in how to swiftly form oligarchical government. Trump would be yay for the banks, yay for Steve Jobs' beneficiaries yay for the Transatlantic Trade Agreement. Not so yay for the increasing proportion of the population who've gotta prop them up by slogging 40 hours a week for a pathetic pittance.
A weak market is tied to restrictions. Obama not been a fan of banks and business. He penalizes them. Health insurance. EPA regulations. Taxes. Consumers pay for it all. Take banks and credit unions as an example. The government don't regulate credit unions as they do banks. Banks pay more to the government. The difference is as night and day. I have the benefit of banking without incurring the cost of banking. Thanks to my credit union.
 
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A weak market is tied to restrictions. Obama not been a fan of banks and business. He penalizes them. Health insurance. EPA regulations. Taxes. Consumers pay for it all. Take banks and credit unions as an example. The government don't regulate credit unions as they do banks. Banks pay more to the government. The difference is as night and day. I have the benefit of banking without incurring the cost of banking. Thanks to my credit union.
The government could simply put limits on bank charges (thereby helping you, the consumer, out) and force big financial institutions to play by the rules. Look, little benefits for the individual (yourself) are only able be benefits insofar as majorities don't make use of them. If credit unions made the profits of banks, and had a similar volume of consumer usage compared to banks, and held the sway of banks, I'm sure they'd be regulated heavily, too. There's a reason why that's the case.

Deregulating financial institutions who hold enough power to crash economies, leads to crashed economies. Arguing that paying interest on your bank account is a valid reason to be against restrictions is like arguing that because I don't get to round my taxes down to the nearest pound instead of up, we should just abolish taxes altogether.

No restrictions equals no accountability, no social responsibility, no feedback of profits into government and community. It's giving people who only care about profits at whatever cost, unlimited power to make profits at whatever cost. But that can't be bad at all ....
 
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It is my position that every citizen in every country has a natural birthright; a birthright to demand a recompense for the consumption of the resources of the land in which they must live, and in which their children, and their children's children, must live. If we give away the reigns of our economy to those who would drain our resources for profit, without second thought for the consequences of such an action, then we are handing our children's futures away along with it.

We are giving away ownership of the material worth of generations to come, so that a select few can prosper. Restrictions are necessary in order to grant all the generations to come a world that isn't run in its entirety by a financial monarchy who have set themselves up in skyscraper penthouses; that monarchy, a small number of select mega-rich businessmen who hold enormous economic (thus political) power.

A few hundred years ago, such power was vested in popes and in Kings because the general populace granted them authority over the currency of faith. Now that currency is currency, and the popes and kings are the corporate CEO's.
 
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It is my position that every citizen in every country has a natural birthright; a birthright to demand a recompense for the consumption of the resources of the land in which they must live, and in which their children, and their children's children, must live. If we give away the reigns of our economy to those who would drain our resources for profit, without second thought for the consequences of such an action, then we are handing our children's futures away along with it.

We are giving away ownership of the material worth of generations to come, so that a select few can prosper. Restrictions are necessary in order to grant all the generations to come a world that isn't run in its entirety by a financial monarchy who have set themselves up in skyscraper penthouses; that monarchy, a small number of select mega-rich businessmen who hold enormous economic (thus political) power.

A few hundred years ago, such power was vested in popes and in Kings because the general populace granted them authority over the currency of faith. Now that currency is currency, and the popes and kings are the corporate CEO's.
Omni, are you an anarchist? I mean, is there a chance I would you see you throwing rocks into windows on Wall Street? I tend to believe there's a great possibility of that.
Hear this: The last thing this country needs is another socialist/communist in the White House.

Now, in your first post prior to the one above, well, you assume too much. You do.

What you hear on the news is not the truth. Okay.

Enroll in economics 101. Really. Not at a public school. A private conservative one. The former will inject philosophy. The latter will present the facts. You'll learn about fixed costs, taxation, utility, demand, resources, shifts, and a host of other elements of economics.

Capitalism, free markets, less government, Greece ain't got any of that to scale. EU is worse off than US. Always has been, always will be.