U.S. Supreme Court declines stay 4 clerk refusing to issue gay marriage certificates

[notuptome]

Taxing...I mean licensing marriages has been and always will be the parlance of government.

I think they should give her early full retirement and everybody goes away with gold in their pockets.

Only a fool endeavors to reason with unreasonable men.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Nautilus]

Oh wait you're 47, what's that got to do with the topic?

A government, decides for itself what marriage is, contrary to God's Word and 1000's of years of societies pattern and you side with it's corrupt definition?

The import of this case is that Christians will no longer have protection in civil service jobs when it comes to their conscience...I guess that's fine with you?

yes but unless her conscience previously included not agreeing to issue licenses to adulterous couples, then she is just a hypocrite.

And lets look at her marriage record...

Kentucky Clerk Fighting Gay Marriage Has Wed Four Times - US News

You can click on the link for the whole article but Ill just pull some relevant facts out for you:

"The Kentucky county clerk facing potentially stiff penalties for refusing to issue same-sex marriage licenses has been married four times, raising questions of hypocrisy and selective application of the Bible to her life. The marriages are documented in court records obtained by U.S. News, which show that Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis divorced three times, first in 1994, then 2006 and again in 2008."

"She gave birth to twins five months after divorcing her first husband. They were fathered by her third husband but adopted by her second. Davis worked at the clerk's office at the time of each divorce and has since remarried."


Now let's not forget homosexuality is merely spoken against in the bible. Adultery is one of the ten commandments.

So no I don't care that this hypocritical bigot might lose her job.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

yes but unless her conscience previously included not agreeing to issue licenses to adulterous couples, then she is just a hypocrite.

And lets look at her marriage record...

Kentucky Clerk Fighting Gay Marriage Has Wed Four Times - US News

You can click on the link for the whole article but Ill just pull some relevant facts out for you:

"The Kentucky county clerk facing potentially stiff penalties for refusing to issue same-sex marriage licenses has been married four times, raising questions of hypocrisy and selective application of the Bible to her life. The marriages are documented in court records obtained by U.S. News, which show that Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis divorced three times, first in 1994, then 2006 and again in 2008."

"She gave birth to twins five months after divorcing her first husband. They were fathered by her third husband but adopted by her second. Davis worked at the clerk's office at the time of each divorce and has since remarried."


Now let's not forget homosexuality is merely spoken against in the bible. Adultery is one of the ten commandments.

So no I don't care that this hypocritical bigot might lose her job.

I actually started to see your point about her being a hypocrite for a bit there, standing in one of Gods laws, but still having broken His laws on marriage anyways. But then, you go calling her a bigot, again stating that by following Gods word a person is a bigot, and my thoughts of you being someone who supports Gods word goes out and I see you as someone who hates His word, and is using one of His laws to somehow justify being against another.


I can understand why youd call her a hypocrite, but you are not helping your argument by saying that standing for Gods word makes you a bigot.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

But clerks have been affixing their names to marriage certificates in violation of God's word regarding adultery FOR YEARS!!! Why is this a "sudden" moral conviction... that homosexuality is MORE sinful than adultery... please show me the scriptures that support that? Anyone???

Where do you get the idea that adultery prevents remarriage? Jesus said that sexual infidelity or other porneia (porneia) -- adultery, fornication, homosexuality, bestiality, or other idolatry (which is what all those sins amount to) -- is legitimate grounds for divorce.

 

[BarlyGurl]

Nautilus ... I commend you and thank you also... you saw my point and proved it for me too. I had no idea about the clerks actual adultery... was rather thinking on the lines of "intellectual hypocrisy"... apparently it is worser than that!!!

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Jesus said that sexual infidelity or other porneia (porneia) -- adultery, fornication, homosexuality, bestiality, or other idolatry (which is what all those sins amount to) -- is legitimate grounds for divorce.

Can you provide scripture for this?

 

[crossnote]

I simply quit jobs that went against my beliefs. I think she should do the same.

Again, these types of judicial decisions will push christians and people with a conscience out of the workplace.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Can you provide scripture for this?

Matthew 19, NASB
9 "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

The underlined word there is the Greek porneia (porneia), meaning sexual immorality inclusive of those I listed or, metaphorically, idolatry. See Strong's #4202.

 

[BarlyGurl]

>>>I can understand why youd call her a hypocrite, but you are not helping your argument by saying that standing for Gods word makes you a bigot.<<<<

That is a pretty good distinction yeraza, however, the definition of bigot and its application CAN include a christian being a bigot for standing on the word... and if thus called... and appropriately using the scripture the Christian is... then the appropriate thing to do is SHRUG IT OFF and keep upholding the word.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Matthew 19, NASB
9 "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

The underlined word there is the Greek porneia (porneia), meaning sexual immorality inclusive of those I listed or, metaphorically, idolatry. See Strong's #4202.

I once had a debate about divorce here some time ago, and I was standing on the grounds that the bible says not to divorce, and I had people telling me I was wrong, but they only argued using how they felt about it.

Please, please, please provide scripture when talking about Gods word, otherwise the conversation will go nowhere

Thanks, that helps me a ton :3

 

[crossnote]

yes but unless her conscience previously included not agreeing to issue licenses to adulterous couples, then she is just a hypocrite.

And lets look at her marriage record...

Kentucky Clerk Fighting Gay Marriage Has Wed Four Times - US News

You can click on the link for the whole article but Ill just pull some relevant facts out for you:

"The Kentucky county clerk facing potentially stiff penalties for refusing to issue same-sex marriage licenses has been married four times, raising questions of hypocrisy and selective application of the Bible to her life. The marriages are documented in court records obtained by U.S. News, which show that Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis divorced three times, first in 1994, then 2006 and again in 2008."

"She gave birth to twins five months after divorcing her first husband. They were fathered by her third husband but adopted by her second. Davis worked at the clerk's office at the time of each divorce and has since remarried."


Now let's not forget homosexuality is merely spoken against in the bible. Adultery is one of the ten commandments.

So no I don't care that this hypocritical bigot might lose her job.

Perhaps sexual morality is not her issue as you trying to frame the argument , but rather a redefinition of marriage as God originally defined it.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

yes but unless her conscience previously included not agreeing to issue licenses to adulterous couples, then she is just a hypocrite.

And lets look at her marriage record...

Kentucky Clerk Fighting Gay Marriage Has Wed Four Times - US News

You can click on the link for the whole article but Ill just pull some relevant facts out for you:

"The Kentucky county clerk facing potentially stiff penalties for refusing to issue same-sex marriage licenses has been married four times, raising questions of hypocrisy and selective application of the Bible to her life. The marriages are documented in court records obtained by U.S. News, which show that Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis divorced three times, first in 1994, then 2006 and again in 2008."

"She gave birth to twins five months after divorcing her first husband. They were fathered by her third husband but adopted by her second. Davis worked at the clerk's office at the time of each divorce and has since remarried."


Now let's not forget homosexuality is merely spoken against in the bible. Adultery is one of the ten commandments.

So no I don't care that this hypocritical bigot might lose her job.

Ever hear of repentance? Forgiveness? "Washed in the blood"? You and U.S. News and World Report have no clue as to what has happened in her life in the last seven years. Do you see anything in the Bible that indicates Mary of Magdala (Mary Magdalene) upheld, condoned, or overlooked the sin in others that mirrored her own before becoming a believer?

Let me know if you find that ...

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

>>>I can understand why youd call her a hypocrite, but you are not helping your argument by saying that standing for Gods word makes you a bigot.<<<<

That is a pretty good distinction yeraza, however, the definition of bigot and its application CAN include a christian being a bigot for standing on the word... and if thus called... and appropriately using the scripture the Christian is... then the appropriate thing to do is SHRUG IT OFF and keep upholding the word.

I dont believe that not wanting to be a part of a ceremony that goes against Gods word counts as bigotry. Her invading their ceremony and trying to crash it would not be the right thing to do, but not allowing herself to help them do it does not count as bigotry.

It kinda reminds me of the law Pence tried to pass here, that would have protected business who refused to participate in something like a gay marriage. Its one thing to buy products from them, but its wrong to think they must come and help with it. Standing in what God wants is not bigotry.

Upholding the word would be saying "no, I cant do this", and not "hey well Im not doing it. Have fun, guys"

 

[crossnote]

I dont believe that not wanting to be a part of a ceremony that goes against Gods word counts as bigotry. Her invading their ceremony and trying to crash it would not be the right thing to do, but not allowing herself to help them do it does not count as bigotry.

It kinda reminds me of the law Pence tried to pass here, that would have protected business who refused to participate in something like a gay marriage. Its one thing to buy products from them, but its wrong to think they must come and help with it. Standing in what God wants is not bigotry.

Upholding the word would be saying "no, I cant do this", and not "hey well Im not doing it. Have fun, guys"

Sounds like the Left's age old tried and true tactics of calling someone a bigot, racist, homophobe, war mongerer etc., just to try and intimidate.

 

[BarlyGurl]

Yeraza, the clerk is NOT EVER part of the ceremony, the clerk is a recording official for the county... that is ALL. She specifically stated in HER NOTICE, it was not about homosexuality, it was about marriage and God's word. FOR me, the inference was OBVIOUSLY she wasn't concerned about ALL GOD"S WORD concerning marriage merely the "male/female" aspect.

I also, DO NOT CARE if she looses her job or what legal sanctions she gets... her hypocrisy is grosser than gross... hopefully someone will show it to her so she can repent and try to clean up her mess.

 

[crossnote]

Forget the ad hominems against Davis, here is the real issue...

If Davis' religious objection is ultimately denied, then elected officials have no real religious freedom when they take public office. Religious liberty is neither surrendered at the entry door of public service nor waived upon taking an oath of office. To suggest otherwise creates a religious (or in this case, anti-religious) test for holding office — which the United States and Kentucky Constitutions expressly forbid!...

Kim Davis isn't alone. Around the nation, there are growing numbers of dedicated public servants who are being aggressively targeted by pro-left organizations and told to abandon their deeply held religious beliefs or resign.

I can't believe the compromising Christians that are coming out of the woodwork over this issue. Apostasy before our eyes.

 

[BarlyGurl]

Well crossnote, If Davis had been a once married only for the past 30 years taking this stand... admittedly I would be more supportive and willing to consider that "she never fully considered the issue until homo-marriage was legalized"... my perspective would be different, perhaps not entirely accurate, but different.

 

[crossnote]

Well crossnote, If Davis had been a once married only for the past 30 years taking this stand... admittedly I would be more supportive and willing to consider that "she never fully considered the issue until homo-marriage was legalized"... my perspective would be different, perhaps not entirely accurate, but different.

So your biblical stance is determined by another's morality?
Davis is not the issue.

 

[crossnote]

Well crossnote, If Davis had been a once married only for the past 30 years taking this stand... admittedly I would be more supportive and willing to consider that "she never fully considered the issue until homo-marriage was legalized"... my perspective would be different, perhaps not entirely accurate, but different.

So your biblical stance is determined by another's morality?
Davis is not the issue.

If Davis' religious objection is ultimately denied, then elected officials have no real religious freedom when they take public office. Religious liberty is neither surrendered at the entry door of public service nor waived upon taking an oath of office. To suggest otherwise creates a religious (or in this case, anti-religious) test for holding office — which the United States and Kentucky Constitutions expressly forbid!...

Kim Davis isn't alone. Around the nation, there are growing numbers of dedicated public servants who are being aggressively targeted by pro-left organizations and told to abandon their deeply held religious beliefs or resign.

 

[Nautilus]

but its totally okay for someone to force their deeply held religious beliefs on other people who are just trying to get appropriate government paperwork down? I mean that seems totally logical.