U.S. Supreme Court declines stay 4 clerk refusing to issue gay marriage certificates

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BarlyGurl

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So your biblical stance is determined by another's morality?
Davis is not the issue.
NO... my biblical stance is based on the word of GOD. MY perspective regarding the level Davis's hypocrisy in making HER stand would be different with respect to the two scenarios that have been presented. DISTINCTIONS!
 
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BarlyGurl

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but its totally okay for someone to force their deeply held religious beliefs on other people who are just trying to get appropriate government paperwork down? I mean that seems totally logical.
I am actually stunned to be in agreement with you... since historically that isn't usually the case..:).

In short, that is exactly what this looks like. A records clerk is refusing to perform her records duty as required by the state and being REALLY SANCTIMONIOUS... and the leftist are calling her on it.... <shrug>
 
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if you work for the government then follow the laws? i mean there are plenty of non-government jobsout there if you dont like whats required. does she turn away non-christian couples too? Or those who are unequally yoked? What about fornicators?
I am not going to argue whether Same sex marriage should be allowed. That is an Emperor has no clothes on issue, not even a debatable point in God's view.

The point YOU made about a Gov official blindly following the law is the troubling view I'd like to address. There were thousands of Nazi-CIVILIAN and military clerks that did the paperwork to 1st put Jews in concentration camps, then BY LAW OF THEIR GOVERNMENT, send them to the gas chambers. If they had taken a stand at the beginning maybe things would have been different.

Please address the point without some witty theory that a person loses the debate the moment he mentions the nazis. Thanks
 

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but its totally okay for someone to force their deeply held religious beliefs on other people who are just trying to get appropriate government paperwork down? I mean that seems totally logical.
"appropriate government paperwork"? The left is just famous for these euphemisms.
Since when is marriage between same sexes appropriate? Even sex with the same sex doesn't happen in nature. Leave it to politically corrected and twisted human beings come up with that one.
I guess abortion is appropriate as well because it's governmentally sanctioned. All Christians bow down to "appropriate government paperwork".
 

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NO... my biblical stance is based on the word of GOD. MY perspective regarding the level Davis's hypocrisy in making HER stand would be different with respect to the two scenarios that have been presented. DISTINCTIONS!
What Scriptures do you use to sanction same sex marriage?
 
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BarlyGurl

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"appropriate government paperwork"? The left is just famous for these euphemisms.
Since when is marriage between same sexes appropriate? Even sex with the same sex doesn't happen in nature. Leave it to politically corrected and twisted human beings come up with that one.
I guess abortion is appropriate as well because it's governmentally sanctioned. All Christians bow down to "appropriate government paperwork".
I realize you are addressing Naut, but regarding this comment.... in the same manner... it would be wrong for a Christian to WORK in the abortion industry... ya know... not be the receptionist... even tho the salary is AWESOME.:rolleyes:
 

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Good GRIEF..... NOWHERE have I E_V_E_R sanctioned same sex marriage.:mad:
then why is the clerk being attacked by you and Nautilus? That is the issue for her on biblical basis and for conscience sake to refuse signing marriage certificates.
You said you had biblical basis...for what issue?
 
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BarlyGurl

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then why is the clerk being attacked by you and Nautilus? That is the issue for her on biblical basis and for conscience sake to refuse signing marriage certificates.
You said you had biblical basis...for what issue?
Crossnote, I think I have ADEQUATELY explained my position in this thread. There are 48 posts and perhaps 8-10 of them are mine. How about you go back to your OP and read each of my posts for better understanding. Based on your question above... my exact answer would to merely REPEAT my first post.
 

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then why is the clerk being attacked by you and Nautilus? That is the issue for her on biblical basis and for conscience sake to refuse signing marriage certificates.
You said you had biblical basis...for what issue?
No one is forcing to go out and buy rainbow cakes and decorations for gay marriages. All people want her to do is HER JOB a sign whatever she needs to sign. Gay marriage is legal in the united states whether its sanctioned by God or not. She work for the same government that legalized it. Now Im for her hating the idea of gay marriage thats fine. But do your job.

The whole fact that she is being rather self-righteous about the whole thing when she is a shining example of failed marriages and cheating just further makes this into a joke.
 

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I am not going to argue whether Same sex marriage should be allowed. That is an Emperor has no clothes on issue, not even a debatable point in God's view.

The point YOU made about a Gov official blindly following the law is the troubling view I'd like to address. There were thousands of Nazi-CIVILIAN and military clerks that did the paperwork to 1st put Jews in concentration camps, then BY LAW OF THEIR GOVERNMENT, send them to the gas chambers. If they had taken a stand at the beginning maybe things would have been different.

Please address the point without some witty theory that a person loses the debate the moment he mentions the nazis. Thanks
Whether or not same-sex marriage should be allowed is not the point. We live in a country where it has been legalized. If you don't want to follow the law then get a new job. And comparing two people of the same sex to the holocaust is like apples and oranges. In the first example, you might be grossed out by the way they make love and it offends your religious sensibilities.. In the second youre discussing the systemic slaughter of the jewish people.
 

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I get it.
When unjust and ungodly laws are passed by the government we are to comply or fold and go home.
How bad will things need to get before Christians see that they are that frog in slow to boil water?
 
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BarlyGurl

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I get it.
When unjust and ungodly laws are passed by the government we are to comply or fold and go home.
How bad will things need to get before Christians see that they are that frog in slow to boil water?
More over.... how bad does it need to get before the WHOLE BODY recognizes it's long time lackadaisical attitude and prostrates face in the dirt before God and Cries out in TRUE AND CONTRITE REPENTANCE????
 
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Yeraza, the clerk is NOT EVER part of the ceremony, the clerk is a recording official for the county... that is ALL. She specifically stated in HER NOTICE, it was not about homosexuality, it was about marriage and God's word. FOR me, the inference was OBVIOUSLY she wasn't concerned about ALL GOD"S WORD concerning marriage merely the "male/female" aspect.
FYI, that's the most important aspect. And like Nautilus, you seem to be unable to forgive divorce, but are willing to condone same-sex marriage. That's interesting, in and of itself.

I also, DO NOT CARE if she looses her job or what legal sanctions she gets... her hypocrisy is grosser than gross... hopefully someone will show it to her so she can repent and try to clean up her mess.
The tone of your post seems to be that we, too, are hypocrites, or that we at least "overlook" biblical passages and glom onto others. What about your own hypocrisy in condemning a Christian woman who stands up for what God says about the constituents of a marriage, while being willing to overlook the fact that Jesus said that, for adultery, divorce is allowable, and at any rate, all sin is forgivable in the believer?

And yes, before you ask, that forgiveness is available to homosexual behaviors as well, as long as they acknowledge, as much the fornicator, adulterer, liar, thief, or murderer that their sins are just that -- sins.
 
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BarlyGurl

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[FYI, that's the most important aspect. And like Nautilus, you seem to be unable to forgive divorce, but are willing to condone same-sex marriage. That's interesting, in and of itself.

The tone of your post seems to be that we, too, are hypocrites, or that we at least "overlook" biblical passages and glom onto others. What about your own hypocrisy in condemning a Christian woman who stands up for what God says about the constituents of a marriage, while being willing to overlook the fact that Jesus said that, for adultery, divorce is allowable, and at any rate, all sin is forgivable in the believer?

And yes, before you ask, that forgiveness is available to homosexual behaviors as well, as long as they acknowledge, as much the fornicator, adulterer, liar, thief, or murderer that their sins are just that -- sins.
Actually Vili, You seem to have a reading comprehension problem and while you are FALSELY PRESUMING I sanction same sex marriage... I will STAND FIRMLY in position regarding both my opinion of the scenario presented AND my biblically grounded belief. IF you want to assert yourself as standing IN PLACE OF this Davis woman... then I guess you would be the SAME kind of hypocrite she is. SO I assert you are WRONGLY looking down your nose and JUDGING ME for making the distinction between her "faith claims" and the separate "same sex marriage" issue.... which was based on HER OWN WORDS... not some vague media interpretation of the entire matter.
 

Nautilus

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[FYI, that's the most important aspect. And like Nautilus, you seem to be unable to forgive divorce, but are willing to condone same-sex marriage. That's interesting, in and of itself.
I honestly don't really care about either. But I think she is a bleeding hypocrite to go around saying one is a sin she cant abide meanwhile she is having babies with one man, while married to another, then getting a third to adopt them. Like seriously woman, worry about your own plank.

Not to mention at no point does it mention her husband were the ones cheating. All evidence points to her infidelity, and being the cheater isnt a get out of divorce free card.
 

Nautilus

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And whether or not I sanction gay marriage it doesnt matter. The fact is it's legal now, and surprisingly it hasnt killed anyone yet. Now someone will inevitably bring up the bakeries that got sued, which even 'leaders' of the gay right movements, likened the Plantiffs/Suers to Nazis and defended the bakers. So a few extreme cases don't prove anything valid. I mean "oh no their mortal souls are in danger of hell!" So what? this is america, they have heard about homosexuality being a sin their whole life along with the basis of christianity, we live in a country that pretty much makes that abundantly clear. They have chosen to ignore it, no skin off my back, they are adults that have made their decisions. Let them enjoy it in peace I say.
 
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BarlyGurl

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suffice it to say... Naut. is not heavily burdened for other's souls. :(
 
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Again, these types of judicial decisions will push christians and people with a conscience out of the workplace.
Yup! It's happened before. God ultimately triumphed still. We could learn much from history.
 
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atwhatcost

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I once had a debate about divorce here some time ago, and I was standing on the grounds that the bible says not to divorce, and I had people telling me I was wrong, but they only argued using how they felt about it.

Please, please, please provide scripture when talking about Gods word, otherwise the conversation will go nowhere :p

Thanks, that helps me a ton :3
Here's the complete run down on what my denomination believes about marriage and divorce, including scripture as footnotes.
The Westminster Confession of Faith, Chapter 24 [Open]