U.S. Supreme Court declines stay 4 clerk refusing to issue gay marriage certificates

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Although this came to me as a prayer request, it contains an important news item,,,
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9/1/2015

Mathew Staver, Founder and Chairman
Liberty Counsel


I am personally asking every friend of Liberty Counsel to fervently pray for Kim Davis as she stands her ground for truth by declaring that God's laws are above man's laws. Please see my important update below Mat.



Late yesterday the U.S. Supreme Court declined to extend the temporary stay of a federal court order involving Rowan County, Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis. The federal court previously ordered Kim Davis to issue "marriage" licenses to plaintiffs who filed suit against her. Liberty Counsel represents Kim Davis and appealed that order to the Court of Appeals. The lower court order was temporarily stayed until August 31, and, while the appeal is still pending, the stay of the order is no longer in effect.

This morning, Kim reported to work as usual where she was greeted by protestors on both sides of the issue. Once again, couples seeking marriage licenses were denied by Davis, which prompted lawyers of homosexual couples to ask a judge to find Davis in contempt of court and to "impose financial penalties sufficiently serious and increasingly onerous."


Kim Davis is a principled public servant standing against judicial tyranny and for natural marriage. In her strongly worded statement, which is included at the bottom of this message, she said "I never imagined a day like this would come, where I would be asked to violate a central teaching of Scripture and of Jesus Himself regarding marriage. To issue a marriage license which conflicts with God's definition of marriage, with my name affixed to the certificate, would violate my conscience.

Throughout history, the courts have accommodated people's deeply held religious beliefs. I see no reason why this case should be any different.

And that's the most compelling aspect of this important case!


If Davis' religious objection is ultimately denied, then elected officials have no real religious freedom when they take public office. Religious liberty is neither surrendered at the entry door of public service nor waived upon taking an oath of office. To suggest otherwise creates a religious (or in this case, anti-religious) test for holding office — which the United States and Kentucky Constitutions expressly forbid!
Davis didn't sign on as a county deputy clerk twenty-seven years ago to later issue same-sex "marriage" licenses. Five lawyers seated on the U.S. Supreme Court changed her job description.
Kim Davis isn't alone. Around the nation, there are growing numbers of dedicated public servants who are being aggressively targeted by pro-left organizations and told to abandon their deeply held religious beliefs or resign.


Liberty Counsel is engaged in Goliath-sized legal battles against the deep pockets and unlimited funding of federal and state attorneys, the ACLU, and other leftist, pro-homosexual groups who are determined to force their godless agenda down our throats.


P.S. This is Kim Davis' very powerful statement she recently issued:

"I have worked in the Rowan County Clerk's office for 27 years as a Deputy Clerk and was honored to be elected as the Clerk in November 2014, and took office in January 2015. I love my job and the people of Rowan County. I have never lived any place other than Rowan County. Some people have said I should resign, but I have done my job well. This year we are on track to generate a surplus for the county of 1.5 million dollars.

In addition to my desire to serve the people of Rowan County, I owe my life to Jesus Christ who loves me and gave His life for me. Following the death of my godly mother-in-law over four years ago, I went to church to fulfill her dying wish. There I heard a message of grace and forgiveness and surrendered my life to Jesus Christ. I am not perfect. No one is. But I am forgiven and I love my Lord and must be obedient to Him and to the Word of God.

I never imagined a day like this would come, where I would be asked to violate a central teaching of Scripture and of Jesus Himself regarding marriage. To issue a marriage license which conflicts with God's definition of marriage, with my name affixed to the certificate, would violate my conscience. It is not a light issue for me. It is a Heaven or Hell decision. For me it is a decision of obedience. I have no animosity toward anyone and harbor no ill will. To me this has never been a gay or lesbian issue. It is about marriage and God's Word. It is a matter of religious liberty, which is protected under the First Amendment, the Kentucky Constitution, and in the Kentucky Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Our history is filled with accommodations for people's religious freedom and conscience. I want to continue to perform my duties, but I also am requesting what our Founders envisioned - that conscience and religious freedom would be protected. That is all I am asking. I never sought to be in this position, and I would much rather not have been placed in this position. I have received death threats from people who do not know me. I harbor nothing against them. I was elected by the people to serve as the County Clerk. I intend to continue to serve the people of Rowan County, but I cannot violate my conscience."

 
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BarlyGurl

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But clerks have been affixing their names to marriage certificates in violation of God's word regarding adultery FOR YEARS!!! Why is this a "sudden" moral conviction... that homosexuality is MORE sinful than adultery... please show me the scriptures that support that? Anyone???
 

Nautilus

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if you work for the government then follow the laws? i mean there are plenty of non-government jobsout there if you dont like whats required. does she turn away non-christian couples too? Or those who are unequally yoked? What about fornicators?
 

Nautilus

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But clerks have been affixing their names to marriage certificates in violation of God's word regarding adultery FOR YEARS!!! Why is this a "sudden" moral conviction... that homosexuality is MORE sinful than adultery... please show me the scriptures that support that? Anyone???
its a good coverup for bigotry thats why.
 

Yeraza_Bats

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But clerks have been affixing their names to marriage certificates in violation of God's word regarding adultery FOR YEARS!!! Why is this a "sudden" moral conviction... that homosexuality is MORE sinful than adultery... please show me the scriptures that support that? Anyone???
Do you have evidence that this woman has been allowing people to do this?
 

Yeraza_Bats

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If she doesnt actually have it, then its not a relevant point.


I dont see anything in Crossnotes post about her helping adulterers. Just that she cannot let herself help people sin against God.


And even though adultery is also a sin, thats not an argument for supporting homosexuality. Weve all lied, does the fact that weve all lied mean we should be more tolerant to murder? Not being a supporter of homosexuality is in no way against Gods word.
 
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BarlyGurl

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Do you have evidence that this woman has been allowing people to do this?
....uh, what?.... are you oblivious of the divorce rates in this country??? Oh wait, you're 26... that explains a lot.
 
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crossnote

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But clerks have been affixing their names to marriage certificates in violation of God's word regarding adultery FOR YEARS!!! Why is this a "sudden" moral conviction... that homosexuality is MORE sinful than adultery... please show me the scriptures that support that? Anyone???
Marriage is marriage, adultery is adultery.
 

crossnote

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if you work for the government then follow the laws? i mean there are plenty of non-government jobsout there if you dont like whats required. does she turn away non-christian couples too? Or those who are unequally yoked? What about fornicators?
So she works 27 years faithfully, then her job description changes. Just give her the boot?
 

crossnote

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its a good coverup for bigotry thats why.
A person whose conscience has been molded concerning marriage as defined by Scripture and culture for thousands of years, is now a bigot?
 

crossnote

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....uh, what?.... are you oblivious of the divorce rates in this country??? Oh wait, you're 26... that explains a lot.
Oh wait you're 47, what's that got to do with the topic?

A government, decides for itself what marriage is, contrary to God's Word and 1000's of years of societies pattern and you side with it's corrupt definition?

The import of this case is that Christians will no longer have protection in civil service jobs when it comes to their conscience...I guess that's fine with you?
 
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BarlyGurl

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HER WORDS:But I am forgiven and I love my Lord and must be obedient to Him and to the Word of God. I never imagined a day like this would come, where I would be asked to violate a central teaching of Scripture and of Jesus Himself regarding marriage...... It is not a light issue for me. It is a Heaven or Hell decision. For me it is a decision of obedience. I have no animosity toward anyone and harbor no ill will. To me this has never been a gay or lesbian issue. It is about marriage and God's Word.

crossnote, apparently, You and I do not agree on WHAT Jesus said about marriage... <disappointing>
 

crossnote

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HER WORDS:But I am forgiven and I love my Lord and must be obedient to Him and to the Word of God. I never imagined a day like this would come, where I would be asked to violate a central teaching of Scripture and of Jesus Himself regarding marriage...... It is not a light issue for me. It is a Heaven or Hell decision. For me it is a decision of obedience. I have no animosity toward anyone and harbor no ill will. To me this has never been a gay or lesbian issue. It is about marriage and God's Word.

crossnote, apparently, You and I do not agree on WHAT Jesus said about marriage... <disappointing>
This is what I see God's Word say, what do you see?

And the man said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
(Gen 2:23-24)


And he answered and said, Have ye not read, that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh? So that they are no more two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
(Mat 19:4-6)
 
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atwhatcost

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Although this came to me as a prayer request, it contains an important news item,,,
*************************************************************

9/1/2015

Mathew Staver, Founder and Chairman
Liberty Counsel


I am personally asking every friend of Liberty Counsel to fervently pray for Kim Davis as she stands her ground for truth by declaring that God's laws are above man's laws. Please see my important update below Mat.



Late yesterday the U.S. Supreme Court declined to extend the temporary stay of a federal court order involving Rowan County, Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis. The federal court previously ordered Kim Davis to issue "marriage" licenses to plaintiffs who filed suit against her. Liberty Counsel represents Kim Davis and appealed that order to the Court of Appeals. The lower court order was temporarily stayed until August 31, and, while the appeal is still pending, the stay of the order is no longer in effect.

This morning, Kim reported to work as usual where she was greeted by protestors on both sides of the issue. Once again, couples seeking marriage licenses were denied by Davis, which prompted lawyers of homosexual couples to ask a judge to find Davis in contempt of court and to "impose financial penalties sufficiently serious and increasingly onerous."


Kim Davis is a principled public servant standing against judicial tyranny and for natural marriage. In her strongly worded statement, which is included at the bottom of this message, she said "I never imagined a day like this would come, where I would be asked to violate a central teaching of Scripture and of Jesus Himself regarding marriage. To issue a marriage license which conflicts with God's definition of marriage, with my name affixed to the certificate, would violate my conscience.

Throughout history, the courts have accommodated people's deeply held religious beliefs. I see no reason why this case should be any different.

And that's the most compelling aspect of this important case!


If Davis' religious objection is ultimately denied, then elected officials have no real religious freedom when they take public office. Religious liberty is neither surrendered at the entry door of public service nor waived upon taking an oath of office. To suggest otherwise creates a religious (or in this case, anti-religious) test for holding office — which the United States and Kentucky Constitutions expressly forbid!
Davis didn't sign on as a county deputy clerk twenty-seven years ago to later issue same-sex "marriage" licenses. Five lawyers seated on the U.S. Supreme Court changed her job description.
Kim Davis isn't alone. Around the nation, there are growing numbers of dedicated public servants who are being aggressively targeted by pro-left organizations and told to abandon their deeply held religious beliefs or resign.


Liberty Counsel is engaged in Goliath-sized legal battles against the deep pockets and unlimited funding of federal and state attorneys, the ACLU, and other leftist, pro-homosexual groups who are determined to force their godless agenda down our throats.


P.S. This is Kim Davis' very powerful statement she recently issued:

"I have worked in the Rowan County Clerk's office for 27 years as a Deputy Clerk and was honored to be elected as the Clerk in November 2014, and took office in January 2015. I love my job and the people of Rowan County. I have never lived any place other than Rowan County. Some people have said I should resign, but I have done my job well. This year we are on track to generate a surplus for the county of 1.5 million dollars.

In addition to my desire to serve the people of Rowan County, I owe my life to Jesus Christ who loves me and gave His life for me. Following the death of my godly mother-in-law over four years ago, I went to church to fulfill her dying wish. There I heard a message of grace and forgiveness and surrendered my life to Jesus Christ. I am not perfect. No one is. But I am forgiven and I love my Lord and must be obedient to Him and to the Word of God.

I never imagined a day like this would come, where I would be asked to violate a central teaching of Scripture and of Jesus Himself regarding marriage. To issue a marriage license which conflicts with God's definition of marriage, with my name affixed to the certificate, would violate my conscience. It is not a light issue for me. It is a Heaven or Hell decision. For me it is a decision of obedience. I have no animosity toward anyone and harbor no ill will. To me this has never been a gay or lesbian issue. It is about marriage and God's Word. It is a matter of religious liberty, which is protected under the First Amendment, the Kentucky Constitution, and in the Kentucky Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Our history is filled with accommodations for people's religious freedom and conscience. I want to continue to perform my duties, but I also am requesting what our Founders envisioned - that conscience and religious freedom would be protected. That is all I am asking. I never sought to be in this position, and I would much rather not have been placed in this position. I have received death threats from people who do not know me. I harbor nothing against them. I was elected by the people to serve as the County Clerk. I intend to continue to serve the people of Rowan County, but I cannot violate my conscience."

I simply quit jobs that went against my beliefs. I think she should do the same.
 

gb9

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we ought to obey God rather than men: Peter after being told not to preach Christ. kind of says it all.
 
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kaylagrl

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A person whose conscience has been molded concerning marriage as defined by Scripture and culture for thousands of years, is now a bigot?
Exactly! Well put!!
 
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Mitspa

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This Lady is doing what ever other "real" Christian in public office should be doing. God Bless and defend her.
 
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Mitspa

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let those sexual deviants go to another county to get their perversions approved... this lady should not yield her conscience to this unlawful nonsense for a min.
 

Yeraza_Bats

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....uh, what?.... are you oblivious of the divorce rates in this country??? Oh wait, you're 26... that explains a lot.

The world doing one kind of wrong is no reason to be tolerant of another kind of wrong. There is no logical reasoning in this argument.
"Well, I know I shouldnt let you kill this man, but Steve over there steals on occasion, so I guess it would only be right to let you kill"

I dont understand this argument? Standing in the word of God is the right thing to do, even if it leads to the world hating you.
And Christ definitely warned us the world will hate us for it.