Trump’s populist destruction of conservatism in America

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When I hear Trump supporters trying to describe why they support him, I am struck by the similarities of their enamorment with the love-struck hyperbole of a teenaged girl in puppy love.

They say things like “He resonates.” “He fights.” “He talks back to the media.” “He talks about the issues.” None of those represents an argument for Trump as a serious presidential candidate. It isn’t an argument at all. It is purging masquerading as principle, excretion and anger pretending to be some kind of higher argument. They are subjective assessments of Trump, grades recorded on a curve.

Trump is like a cat trained to piss in a human toilet. “It’s amazing! It’s remarkable!” Yes, yes, it is remarkable. For a cat. We don’t judge humans by the standards reserved for cats.

Lord Acton wrote the famous assessment “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” What most people don’t realize is that Acton wasn’t saying the corruption was limited to the power holders, but also stated it taints those who admire the power. It works the same way with popularity.

We routinely forgive the rich and famous for sins we would condemn our neighbors for. Trump’s popularity apparently trumps all standards we would apply not just to our neighbors, but to our leaders. An example is Ted Cruz, who recently promised not to “criticize fellow Republicans.”

Apparently that means “fellow Republicans named Donald Trump,” as Cruz has made a reputation ripping his fellow Republicans as long as he’s been in the Senate. Cruz is obviously hoping to scoop up the Trump voters if and when the real estate mogul loses steam or self-implodes, and contributing to that fall or failure might make them think twice about jumping on the Ted bandwagon.

In 2012, Mark Steyn wrote that a President Gingrich would have “twice as many ex-wives as the first 44 presidents combined.” If that (quite brilliant) line resonated with you three years ago, why doesn’t it for a President Trump?

I understand the compulsion to celebrate anyone who doesn’t take crap from the mainstream media. But when Newt Gingrich brilliantly eviscerated the press in 2012, there was a serious ideological worldview behind it.

Trump’s assaults on the press have only one standard: whether the journalist in question is favorable to Trump or not. If a journalist praises him, that journalist is “terrific.” If the journalist is critical of Trump he is a “loser” (or, in my case, a loser who can’t buy pants). Not surprisingly, Hugh Hewitt is now “third rate” because he made Trump look bad.

Similarly, I’m constantly catching it from Trump supporters who label me a whiner or worse because they think I’m being disrespectful when I criticize Trump or them for supporting him – as if these folks would refrain from criticizing Jeb, Ben, Rubio or Kasich if they were in the lead. Disingenuousness at its height.

Yes, I am dismayed at this irrational leap to Trump. I’ve been a conservative most of my life – except for the irrational 20s when, even though in the military, I was the liberal with a heart Churchill said I should be, but became the conservative with a brain he also said was inevitable. Conservatives have spent more than 60 years arguing that ideas and character matter. That is the conservative movement I joined and to which I dedicated my political loyalty. Now, in a moment of passion, many of my comrades-in-arms are throwing it all away in a fit of pique. Because “Trump fights!”

The illogic is monumental. We as the voters in the GOP party uniformly decided Rick Perry was unfit for office because he couldn’t remember the third cabinet level department he would shut down if elected. Perry was absolutely Lincolnesque in that faux pas compared to the http://www.slate.com/blogs/lexicon_valley/2015/07/31/donald_trump_this_run_on_sentence_from_a_speech_in_sun_city_south_carolina.html“]unintelligible ramblings and English mangling of Donald Trump[/url].

It is more than just mangled speech and disclarity on who our nation’s enemies are, as he showed in that hard-to-hear, cringe-creating radio interview with Hugh Hewitt. It is the fact he apparently can flip-flop at the drop of a hat and get away with it despite the votes to whom he appeals having always, in the past, been skeptical of anyone who did such a foolhardy thing.

Case in point: Suddenly, after years of being pro-choice, he’s suddenly pro-life. Is it a true change of heart and mind, or is it political expediency to get elected? I’ll let you be the judge, but don’t forget to consider that, shortly after making his pro-life declaration, he was asked who he would name to the Supreme Court if elected, and url=”http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...o-abortion-extremist-judge-ramesh-ponnuru”]he suggested his pro-choice-extremist sister[/url].

Another such instance: In the last month, Trump has contemplated alternatingly, a flat tax, the fair tax, maintaining the current progressive tax system, a carried-interest tax, a wealth tax, and doing nothing. His supporters respond, “That shows he’s a pragmatist!” No. It shows that he has absolutely no ideological guardrails whatsoever.

Ronald Reagan once said, “Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other.” Trump is close to the reverse. He’s a mouth at the wrong end of an alimentary canal spewing crap with no sense of responsibility.

I mentioned that Hewitt interview a few paragraphs back. Trump followers immediately jumped on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram touting his “gotcha question” defense, and echoing mindlessly his “I’ll delegate” attempt at recovery, saying he’ll go find another Doug MacArthur.

Ignoring for the moment the fact MacArthur was an egotistical fool – a lot like Trump, come to think of it – it occurs to me that if the would-be boss doesn’t know foreign policy, he is clueless as to who might be qualified to accept the delegation of his ignorance.

I think the thing that disheartens me the most is the cow=herd mentality of Trump followers. Obamacare has been the favorite whipping post of conservatives, and the knowledge the Obama really wanted a single-payer system made such a system the least popular option among conservatives, with only 16% support.

When Trump revealed he favors a single-payer system, polls showed an inexplicable leap of support to 44% for single-payer government healthcare coverage. It is a completely irrational and counter-intuitive move for conservatives to consider, and threatens the very underpinnings of conservatism in the U.S.

Trump is not a conservative. At worst, he’s a liberal, which I halfway suspect. The reality is more likely, though, that he’s nothing more than the sideshow barker I’ve accused him of being, and is campaigning like a populist. William Jennings Bryan best voiced my problem with populism:

“The people of Nebraska are for free silver and I am for free silver,” Bryan announced. “I will look up the arguments later.” My view of conservatism holds that if free silver is a bad idea, it’s still a bad idea even if the people of Nebraska are for it. But Trumpism flips this on its head. The conservatives of Nebraska and elsewhere should be against single-payer health care, even if Donald Trump is for it. What we are seeing is the corrupting of conservatives.

If you are a conservative, Trump is anathema to your political philosophy. So why are you supporting this clown-candidate? It doesn’t make any sense.
 
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More angry bloviating from the resident bloviater...lol. I'm no longer confused as to who is a bigger bag of hot air between you and Trump. Lol
 

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Oh my gosh! Vigilant Warrior is National Review's own Jonah Goldberg!
 

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More angry bloviating from the resident bloviater...lol. I'm no longer confused as to who is a bigger bag of hot air between you and Trump. Lol
If it makes you feel better, VW forgot to source the article he re-posted.
 
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Oh my gosh! Vigilant Warrior is National Review's own Jonah Goldberg!
Sorry about that, yes, it is an edited version of Goldberg's piece, with some of my own comments thrown in, or rewritten for space. But with that last edit, I accidentally deleted the link and couldn't get it put back in because the five minutes expired.

Mea culpa, folks. Goldberg gets the majority of the credit. The vast majority. I just shortened it.
 

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It's like our own personal Bill O'Reilly.
 
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If it makes you feel better, VW forgot to source the article he re-posted.
Lol...there seems to be an unhealthy dislike of Trump happening here. I started a thread awhile ago about how Trump is threatening to the feminized American male. I wonder if that has anything to do with it?
 
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Lol...there seems to be an unhealthy dislike of Trump happening here. I started a thread awhile ago about how Trump is threatening to the feminized American male. I wonder if that has anything to do with it?
Lol, Sir Viligant might be a right wood person, but there's no way you can tell me with a straight face the guy is feminized.

He has a point though, albeit to ulterior motives. Trump's greatest strength being his ruthlessness to the elites whom have lied to and bullied the people is also his biggest weakness. For how shall he treat the people if he were to be granted the win?

Reminds me of that woody merciless king Rehoboam. The wise greyheads advised the king to lighten the yoke of the people and speak fairly to them, but he heeded them not. He said "my father punished you with whips, but I will punish you with scorpions" and the young men were delighted. Though this thing was done by the Lord, it is written Rehoboam was not a good king and his kingdom was torn in two.
 
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Lol, Sir Viligant might be a right wood person, but there's no way you can tell me with a straight face the guy is feminized.

He has a point though, albeit to ulterior motives. Trump's greatest strength being his ruthlessness to the elites whom have lied to and bullied the people is also his biggest weakness. For how shall he treat the people if he were to be granted the win?

Reminds me of that woody merciless king Rehoboam. The wise greyheads advised the king to lighten the yoke of the people and speak fairly to them, but he heeded them not. He said "my father punished you with whips, but I will punish you with scorpions" and the young men were delighted. Though this thing was done by the Lord, it is written Rehoboam was not a good king and his kingdom was torn in two.
It's hard to tell...some guys talk tough when momma lets em take their jewels out of the shoe box she keeps them in in the closet. Lol.

At any rate, I hear you. The Jews cried for a king....God said, Ok, but he is gonna take your children to fight wars and take your crops etc etc. I honestly don't know how I could be anymore clear in my stance that the GOP could learn a thing or two from Trump....I've said it over and over again and I really don't want to say it again here. The only thing I can think of is that the GOP doesn't want to learn anything because it is in reality, just an arm of the democrat party and is complicit in the wanton destruction of our nation. The Karl Roves, the Bushes are just opposite sides of the same coin. They are just more palatable to a gullible "party man"...or woman...whatever the case may be.
 
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It's hard to tell...some guys talk tough when momma lets em take their jewels out of the shoe box she keeps them in in the closet. Lol.

At any rate, I hear you. The Jews cried for a king....God said, Ok, but he is gonna take your children to fight wars and take your crops etc etc. I honestly don't know how I could be anymore clear in my stance that the GOP could learn a thing or two from Trump....I've said it over and over again and I really don't want to say it again here. The only thing I can think of is that the GOP doesn't want to learn anything because it is in reality, just an arm of the democrat party and is complicit in the wanton destruction of our nation. The Karl Roves, the Bushes are just opposite sides of the same coin. They are just more palatable to a gullible "party man"...or woman...whatever the case may be.
I agree the GOP can learn some from Trump indeed, and even Trump can do good where he himself is best at. From my lil debate with my friend one of the main things the GOP be sage to learn from Trump is people like how even if he is a jerk he speaks his mind. My friend's biggest complaint against the other GOPers, especially Carson, Rubio, and Bush was he said it seems like they're fakes reading from a script instead of debating each other or debating the issues.

Personally, even supposing Trump wouldn't be a caricature of a strongarm dictator, I don't think it be good for even himself to be president. He is very independent minded. That is good for business and in some facets of politics, but to be president would be to put him in a box. After all, consider how Trump doesn't like political correctness, and rightly so. The problem though is the president is the most politically correct job in the whole country, maybe the whole world. So you can see even just by that minor example among others that it be a burden on him.
 
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I agree the GOP can learn some from Trump indeed, and even Trump can do good where he himself is best at. From my lil debate with my friend one of the main things the GOP be sage to learn from Trump is people like how even if he is a jerk he speaks his mind. My friend's biggest complaint against the other GOPers, especially Carson, Rubio, and Bush was he said it seems like they're fakes reading from a script instead of debating each other or debating the issues.

Personally, even supposing Trump wouldn't be a caricature of a strongarm dictator, I don't think it be good for even himself to be president. He is very independent minded. That is good for business and in some facets of politics, but to be president would be to put him in a box. After all, consider how Trump doesn't like political correctness, and rightly so. The problem though is the president is the most politically correct job in the whole country, maybe the whole world. So you can see even just by that minor example among others that it be a burden on him.
It is my belief that the man doesn't make the presidency but the presidency reveals the man. I bet it's a pretty tough world there and one's psyche either craters under the pressure and they either go golfing and vacationing or one steps up and leads.
 
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It is my belief that the man doesn't make the presidency but the presidency reveals the man. I bet it's a pretty tough world there and one's psyche either craters under the pressure and they either go golfing and vacationing or one steps up and leads.
That's a good point too, but that would be my main argument in the whole scheme of things against Trump, Fiorina, and Carson. They're outsiders, they have no experience or record to speak of. We frankly have no idea how they'd handle such pressure. That is what makes it seem to me someone with lots of experience like Kasich, Bush, Perry, or Graham would be good. Not just for their experience, but they are all ready battle-proven if you will to handle the pressures of such an office.

It's kinda like how the argument against Obama in 2008 was whether or not he'd be able to "hit the ground running." Really not trying to replay the uncertainty of Obama and his lack of experience again. This time around I feel we need someone whom is servant-minded and whom has experience.
 
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That's a good point too, but that would be my main argument in the whole scheme of things against Trump, Fiorina, and Carson. They're outsiders, they have no experience or record to speak of. We frankly have no idea how they'd handle such pressure. That is what makes it seem to me someone with lots of experience like Kasich, Bush, Perry, or Graham would be good. Not just for their experience, but they are all ready battle-proven if you will to handle the pressures of such an office.

It's kinda like how the argument against Obama in 2008 was whether or not he'd be able to "hit the ground running." Really not trying to replay the uncertainty of Obama and his lack of experience again. This time around I feel we need someone whom is servant-minded and whom has experience.
I just want someone with a fire in their belly and with a personality to match. These plastic script readers are tired and worn out. Little botox here, lift there, craftily constructed sentence everywhere. I want someone who says what they mean and mean what they say. Doesn't matter to me if it's up some linguistic standard or some supposed policy expert set by a party shill. I always figured that an "expert" is someone who is an.....ex=has been...spert=drip with pressure behind it. Seems the author of this op has revealed himself to be one of those "ex-sperts"......hopelessly stuck with a rock for a brain. Lol
 
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Lol...there seems to be an unhealthy dislike of Trump happening here. I started a thread awhile ago about how Trump is threatening to the feminized American male. I wonder if that has anything to do with it?
the dislike of trump is completely healthy...it is what used to be known as 'good judgment'

what is -unhealthy- is the cultish unrestrained veneration of donald trump that comes from certain people around here...
 
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I just want someone with a fire in their belly and with a personality to match. These plastic script readers are tired and worn out. Little botox here, lift there, craftily constructed sentence everywhere. I want someone who says what they mean and mean what they say. Doesn't matter to me if it's up some linguistic standard or some supposed policy expert set by a party shill. I always figured that an "expert" is someone who is an.....ex=has been...spert=drip with pressure behind it. Seems the author of this op has revealed himself to be one of those "ex-sperts"......hopelessly stuck with a rock for a brain. Lol
Yea that is what my friend thinks too about Trump, and he is not even big into politics. It's a common sentiment amongst the common people. It's fair too, in fact it is very logical. That is after all why Trump prevails for the moment. Nevertheless though, when it comes down to it we need for this current era someone that can do the job, who has experience for the job, and has a record of results that are positive. It's not enough to merely kick out the politicians, cause we gotta fill that void that is left after giving them the boot.

As for Viligant, has he not been one of the most woody people towards me saying all sorts of things about me, like wanting to thrust me out of what is by my birthright my very own kingdom? Behold, he is has been pretty nice to you though. So if I being hated by the man think he makes good points now and then, and I do not think he is dumb or effeminate; then why should you, one whom he speaks well of, think such about him?
 
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If you are a conservative, Trump is anathema to your political philosophy. So why are you supporting this clown-candidate? It doesn’t make any sense.
i think this really gets to the heart of the matter...

we are not dealing with something that makes sense...we are dealing with a cult of personality...

kool-aid comes in red too after all...
 
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Vigilant, I think the reason so many believers are supporting Mr Trump, is that we're fed up. We're fed up with being politically correct at the risk of being called racist. We're fed up with being deemed a hater simply because we have our own views on the country's matters simply because we're believers. We're fed up with being shamed for being human and claiming to be Christians....I mean how dare a Christian be human with human faults, right? We're fed up with our president making policies that go beyond his scope. We're fed up with the national debt skyrocketing by the second until it's now in the what, Hundreds of Billions? We're fed up by China owning our debt, and being able to sell it or call it in whenever, basically, according tot he Bible making us their slaves. We're fed up with the immigration policies not being enforce. We're fed up with the lies and well just with having politicians run our lives.....and so far the only candidate saying this is Trump.

Do I think he will be the best candidate for president? The race is so fresh and new, that no one can know how we will feel when it comes time to vote, but he's intelligent, Knows business and how to lessen our debt, he has newer ideas, he's personable mostly (when he's not feeling attacked), he can be diplomatic and he surrounds himself with people he believes is more intelligent than he who can teach him what he lacks. Those sound like decent qualities to me for a president to have. But like I said, I haven't heard enough of how he plans to implement all the things he says he wants to do as president to know who I want to be our next president yet.
But then again, that's just me, and eh, I am no one important. Peace
 
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the dislike of trump is completely healthy...it is what used to be known as 'good judgment'

what is -unhealthy- is the cultish unrestrained veneration of donald trump that comes from certain people around here...

Ok...if it makes you feel better and less uncomfortable. Whatever works I guess. We all have our ways of attempting to massage our way back to our comfy place.
 
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Vigilant, I think the reason so many believers are supporting Mr Trump, is that we're fed up. We're fed up with being politically correct at the risk of being called racist. We're fed up with being deemed a hater simply because we have our own views on the country's matters simply because we're believers. We're fed up with being shamed for being human and claiming to be Christians....I mean how dare a Christian be human with human faults, right? We're fed up with our president making policies that go beyond his scope. We're fed up with the national debt skyrocketing by the second until it's now in the what, Hundreds of Billions? We're fed up by China owning our debt, and being able to sell it or call it in whenever, basically, according tot he Bible making us their slaves. We're fed up with the immigration policies not being enforce. We're fed up with the lies and well just with having politicians run our lives.....and so far the only candidate saying this is Trump.
wrong...the reason any christians are supporting trump is because they are -deceived-...just like the bible warns many would be...