Syrian Refugees. Bonafide or a plot?

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zoii

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@Crossnote. Yes America has a fine tradition of accepting multiple nationalities into your country. I am sure it will again show its generosity to the people of Syria and perhaps encourage our Prime Minister to do likewise.
 

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Why not into Iran, Africa, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan etc.? Why place the guilt on Europe and America?
I know nothing about guilt, just about the human condition of doing what we can for those who are in a state of emergency. Those nations with the greatest wealth capacity will be called on the most - but ALL nations will be called on. Those with the most compassionate hearts will answer that call.
 

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@Crossnote. Yes America has a fine tradition of accepting multiple nationalities into your country. I am sure it will again show its generosity to the people of Syria and perhaps encourage our Prime Minister to do likewise.
Yes thx, and at the present time we have homeless people in our major cities lining the sidewalk for blocks. Men, women and children.We ought to aide them first.
 

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I know nothing about guilt, just about the human condition of doing what we can for those who are in a state of emergency. Those nations with the greatest wealth capacity will be called on the most - but ALL nations will be called on. Those with the most compassionate hearts will answer that call.
See above post #23.
 

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Why not into Iran, Africa, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan etc.? Why place the guilt on Europe and America?
You think people left their homes in the middle of a war, left their possessions and their lives, left bodies and buildings behind, to travel towards Europe so that they could guilt trip Americans and Europeans? Doesn't that strike you as a bit paranoid, perhaps even a bit arrogant?

They're going to Europe now, because Europe is a place where they will, by and large, be accommodated. They're going to Europe because Europe, for the most part, has made it clear they'll be welcomed.

4 million of them have already been accommodated in Turkey, Jordan, the Lebanon, and Iraq. Turkey currently supports 2.2 million Syrian refugees. This wave that just entered Europe is somewhere around 200,000.
 

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Yes thx, and at the present time we have homeless people in our major cities lining the sidewalk for blocks. Men, women and children.We ought to aide them first.
Do you live in Europe??? lol how many Syrian refugees have landed in America?
 

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Yes thx, and at the present time we have homeless people in our major cities lining the sidewalk for blocks. Men, women and children.We ought to aide them first.
Well that of course is for your country to decide. You have to way your country's issues & the crisis of the refugees, and come to your own conclusions - my appeal to any government (particularly to my own) is to be generous
 

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You think people left their homes in the middle of a war, left their possessions and their lives, left bodies and buildings behind, to travel towards Europe so that they could guilt trip Americans and Europeans? Doesn't that strike you as a bit paranoid, perhaps even a bit arrogant?

They're going to Europe now, because Europe is a place where they will, by and large, be accommodated. They're going to Europe because Europe, for the most part, has made it clear they'll be welcomed.

4 million of them have already been accommodated in Turkey, Jordan, the Lebanon, and Iraq. Turkey currently supports 2.2 million Syrian refugees. This wave that just entered Europe is somewhere around 200,000.
They are also coming to America if you keep up with the news, and like I stated in #23 we can't even take care of our own.
Oh, I appreciate the arrogant and paranoid insults.

P.S. how many did you say Ireland took in?
 
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Omni

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They are also coming to America if you keep up with the news, and like I stated in #23 we can't even take care of our own.
Oh, I appreciate the arrogant and paranoid insults.

P.S. how many did you say Ireland took in?
Not enough.
 

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You think people left their homes in the middle of a war, left their possessions and their lives, left bodies and buildings behind, to travel towards Europe so that they could guilt trip Americans and Europeans? Doesn't that strike you as a bit paranoid, perhaps even a bit arrogant?
Isn't it a bit naive to assume people are acting reasonably/innocently one hundred percent of the time?
 

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Isn't it a bit naive to assume people are acting reasonably/innocently one hundred percent of the time?
What's reasonable or rational about any of this? ISIS have murdered all over Syria, bombs drop every day. There is machine gun fire in the streets. Peoples' lives and heritages are being destroyed. There's nothing reasonable in it. These are refugees acting on base emotional instincts; protect my family, find food and shelter, don't die.

I'd expect at least a modicum of common sense from anyone who gets to watch it all from an armchair in the safe comfort of their own home, though.
 

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What's reasonable or rational about any of this? ISIS have murdered all over Syria, bombs drop every day. There is machine gun fire in the streets. Peoples' lives and heritages are being destroyed. There's nothing reasonable in it. These are refugees acting on base emotional instincts; protect my family, find food and shelter, don't die.

I'd expect at least a modicum of common sense from anyone who gets to watch it all from an armchair in the safe comfort of their own home, though.
This is a teachable moment, ladies and gentlemen. "Guilt tripping" as it were isn't pre-programmed, but generally learned from Westerners like one above.
 

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This is a teachable moment, ladies and gentlemen. "Guilt tripping" as it were isn't pre-programmed, but generally learned from Westerners like one above.
Are you really so obtuse? Are you telling me we should approach this entire fiasco with utter indifference to the very real, very strong, human urge to survive? I'd like to think that if it were you on the brink of annihilation, that some person, somewhere, would show you much more compassion than you currently seem to be showing.
 
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Are you really so obtuse? Are you telling me we should approach this entire fiasco with utter indifference to the very real, very strong, human urge to survive? I'd like to think that if it were you on the brink of annihilation, that some person, somewhere, would show you much more compassion than you currently seem to possess.
No sir, that is not what I am telling you.
 
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This is a teachable moment, ladies and gentlemen. "Guilt tripping" as it were isn't pre-programmed, but generally learned from Westerners like one above.
True...true. guilt tripping is a form of emotional abuse...essentially it's manipulation and a devious way of getting what you want out of someone thru...yep...you guessed it...guilt. Lol. It's just a fact of the world that if refugees aren't contained and curtailed from flooding your country.... they are as bad as an invading army with guns and tanks.
 

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True...true. guilt tripping is a form of emotional abuse...essentially it's manipulation and a devious way of getting what you want out of someone thru...yep...you guessed it...guilt. Lol. It's just a fact of the world that if refugees aren't contained and curtailed from flooding your country.... they are as bad as an invading army with guns and tanks.
There's a difference between guilt tripping somebody for my own personal advantage, and trying to get somebody to have a little empathy for other people.

What have I got to gain from illustrating to Deschidado that people who flee their families and their homes, who leave their lives behind, who have witnessed unspeakable violence, are going to be scared for their families and worried for their lives? Aside from the fact that it should be common sense -- I shouldn't have to convince anybody of that considering how obvious and normal a response it is to violence and war -- I benefit, personally, in no way whatsoever from Deschidado having some compassion, nor from hundreds of thousands of immigrants flooding Europe. The only people who might again anything from that, are the refugees. But that's such an unspeakable thing to you two that you won't even muster up basic reason, much less compassion.

What is wrong with you??

You don't even live in Europe, either. As for America, shame on you. It was a country founded by immigrants.
 
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There's a difference between guilt tripping somebody for my own personal advantage, and trying to get somebody to have a little empathy for other people.

What have I got to gain from illustrating to Deschidado that people who flee their families and their homes, who leave their lives behind, who have witnessed unspeakable violence, are going to be scared for their families and worried for their lives? Aside from the fact that it should be common sense -- I shouldn't have to convince anybody of that considering how obvious and normal a response it is to violence and war -- I benefit, personally, in no way whatsoever from Deschidado having some compassion, nor from hundreds of thousands of immigrants flooding Europe. The only people who might again anything from that, are the refugees. But that's such an unspeakable thing to you two that you won't even muster up basic reason, much less compassion.

What is wrong with you??

You don't even live in Europe, and as for America, it was a country founded by immigrants.
It's a sad situation and when I saw the guy throw his wife and child down on the track it honestly broke my heart. To say that I do not have compassion for people is just not true.....to imply that there is something wrong with me however...is true. Lol. I am sinner in a fallen world and all the chaos and death around us is all of our faults...even people who are desperate for survival. I wonder if Jesus is gonna allow passage to all the desperate immigrants who don't know him into heaven....the bible tells us....not a chance in hell.
 

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There's a difference between guilt tripping somebody for my own personal advantage, and trying to get somebody to have a little empathy for other people.

What have I got to gain from illustrating to Deschidado that people who flee their families and their homes, who leave their lives behind, who have witnessed unspeakable violence, are going to be scared for their families and worried for their lives? Aside from the fact that it should be common sense -- I shouldn't have to convince anybody of that considering how obvious and normal a response it is to violence and war -- I benefit, personally, in no way whatsoever from Deschidado having some compassion, nor from hundreds of thousands of immigrants flooding Europe. The only people who might again anything from that, are the refugees. But that's such an unspeakable thing to you two that you won't even muster up basic reason, much less compassion.

What is wrong with you??

You don't even live in Europe, either. As for America, shame on you. It was a country founded by immigrants.
I love this guy.
 

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My wife is wracking her brains over this issue, "yes, no?" "should we, shouldn't we?" , and no thanks to the Churches which seem to be overly quiet on the issue...or maybe they're too busy planning their next cruise. I don't know, I'm starting to sound like Yet. :p
 
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I have no idea if any of those seeking refuge are religously radicalised - I'd say probably. However, these people swarming into Europe have faced death and endless misery. Most have lost family/friends. All have lost their home, their future. Parents fear for the future of their children and for themselves. That they lost everything was no fault of their own but was pushed onto them by warring factions within Syria.

What parent wouldnt want to get their family to safety. What person wouldnt appeal to countries who are safe and offer hope.

What country could see the tide of human misery and turn their back. Are we compassionate or not?

My dear friend in Australia told me yesterday or the day before that Australia was going to let a bunch in to Australia....no doubt there will be infiltrators......