Syrian Refugees. Bonafide or a plot?

[Agricola]

There's a difference between guilt tripping somebody for my own personal advantage, and trying to get somebody to have a little empathy for other people.

What have I got to gain from illustrating to Deschidado that people who flee their families and their homes, who leave their lives behind, who have witnessed unspeakable violence, are going to be scared for their families and worried for their lives? Aside from the fact that it should be common sense -- I shouldn't have to convince anybody of that considering how obvious and normal a response it is to violence and war -- I benefit, personally, in no way whatsoever from Deschidado having some compassion, nor from hundreds of thousands of immigrants flooding Europe. The only people who might again anything from that, are the refugees. But that's such an unspeakable thing to you two that you won't even muster up basic reason, much less compassion.

What is wrong with you??

You don't even live in Europe, either. As for America, shame on you. It was a country founded by immigrants.

It is not as black and white as you make it.

Certainly most of these refugees will be just that, but it is a superb cover for Islamic State to smuggle operatives into European nations. These operatives will not be known to the genuine refugees either, if tier identity were known they would be lynched.

It is a dangerous time and a dangerous game to play. It is not as if we are accepting refugees from an internal conflict, the forces at play who are creating this enviornment in which millions of refugees come flooding out of the nation have eyes on wider goals and targets, not just an internal struggle, it is this which makes things a little more complicated.

 

[Angela53510]

I read quite a few years ago, that the Muslim goal was to take over Europe by immigration.

They seemed to be progressing quite well towards that goal.

But perhaps it wasn't fast enough? Surely this exodus of people from Syria will help their cause?

Or could God use it to expose these people to the gospel? That is my hope and prayer.

As for the article in the OP, pretty inflammatory! I think I would need some concrete examples of ISIS or jihadist sneaking in under the cover of refugee status, though, before I believe it is true or not!

 

[Desdichado]

Or could God use it to expose these people to the gospel? That is my hope and prayer.

That is my prayer as well.

 

[tanach]

Because what, Islamic state members have finance degrees? That's laughable. These are guys who blow up national heritage sites and treat Western capitalism with extreme prejudice.



Yea, Islamic State -- the guys who'll murder your kids and rape your wife, but at least they'll give you your savings.





"Ex-wealthy". Hmm, isn't that sort of synonymous with "now-impoverished"?



Europe is a gigantic land mass. People have feet to walk, cars to drive, refugee trucks to climb aboard. Charities have set up camps and transports. I doubt two hundred thousand homeless people are paying for private jets.



Really? Last time I checked, UK citizens have the right to reside in any country belonging to the EU.

If you had read my reply properly instead of taking slices out of context we might have had an intelligent unemotive discussion seeing you didn't there is no point in discussing this with you further.

 

[Omni]

It is not as black and white as you make it.

Certainly most of these refugees will be just that, but it is a superb cover for Islamic State to smuggle operatives into European nations. These operatives will not be known to the genuine refugees either, if tier identity were known they would be lynched.

It is a dangerous time and a dangerous game to play. It is not as if we are accepting refugees from an internal conflict, the forces at play who are creating this enviornment in which millions of refugees come flooding out of the nation have eyes on wider goals and targets, not just an internal struggle, it is this which makes things a little more complicated.

Every country from which these refugees come, has seen a military campaign spearheaded by the US, in the last three years. It's not a coincidence, and Europe are part of the cause.

I'm sure at the end of WW2, when half a million Jews had no homes to go to, people were worried about dissidents and militants using the mass exodus from Germany as a cover. It didn't stop people from giving them an entire bloody country smack back in the middle of what, hitherto, had been Arab land for thousands of miles.

It's no excuse.

 

[crossnote]

Every country from which these refugees come, has seen a military campaign spearheaded by the US, in the last three years. It's not a coincidence, and Europe are part of the cause.

I'm sure at the end of WW2, when half a million Jews had no homes to go to, people were worried about dissidents and militants using the mass exodus from Germany as a cover. It didn't stop people from giving them an entire bloody country smack back in the middle of what, hitherto, had been Arab land for thousands of miles.

It's no excuse.

The land has always belonged to God..given to the Jews.

Ezekiel 11:16-19 (KJV)
16 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Although I have cast them far off among the heathen, and although I have scattered them among the countries, yet will I be to them as a little sanctuary in the countries where they shall come.
17 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.
18 And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence.
19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

 

[crossnote]

End of dilemma...

Muslim Countries Refuse to Take A Single Syrian Refugee, Cite Risk of Exposure to Terrorism

 

[crossnote]

immigrants Refusing food and water, are they hurting that bad?...

Immigrants throw away food and water they receive

 

[Agricola]

immigrants Refusing food and water, are they hurting that bad?...

Story behind this? Is this the group who were blocked from moving across Europe earlier in the week. Looks like a protest sort of hunger strike thing.

 

[crossnote]

Story behind this? Is this the group who were blocked from moving across Europe earlier in the week. Looks like a protest sort of hunger strike thing.

Right. No sound or explanation. Just a clip left to our imagination, but I guess that way it is just as accurate as when the talking heads tell us what to believe.

 

[didymos]

I for one pitty the refugees. Persued by the forces of ISIS, they have to travel through a war torn Europe before they can reach the safety of England or Germany. If only there were more countries on the way were they could take refuge, where would truly be safe.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

I think that....

SOME of them are from IS
Some of them are not, but are rich (well, compared to the rest) and have bought their way in
and many of them are fleeing from a place where they see no future

 

[crossnote]

Still, it would be nice to see a coherent explanation to the link in post #47.
A clip...

Five of the wealthiest Muslim countries have taken no Syrian refugees in at all, arguing that doing so would open them up to the risk of terrorism. Although the oil rich countries have handed over aid money, Britain has donated more than Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar combined.

I guess that speaks highly of 'merciful' and 'compassionate' Allah.

 

[nw2u]

For some it is not a plot, but for others it is a plot to find a better job, education, food, shelter and clothing. It is a plot to take advantage of the system without care of how the countries they are going to will find them all the things previously mentioned. It is a plot, just as the plot of many immigrants to this country have done for so many decades. It would be better for many of them to stay and make their countries a better place to live. They would have something to call their own, but they know better than we, it is nearly impossible. It's like your neighbors and vagrants who live under the bridge from your own areas coming to your house for thanksgiving dinner without your permission. Can you feed them all? Do you have the room? What are we told about how to handle this from the bible? That's the part I'd like to know.

 

[crossnote]

For some it is not a plot, but for others it is a plot to find a better job, education, food, shelter and clothing. It is a plot to take advantage of the system without care of how the countries they are going to will find them all the things previously mentioned. It is a plot, just as the plot of many immigrants to this country have done for so many decades. It would be better for many of them to stay and make their countries a better place to live. They would have something to call their own, but they know better than we, it is nearly impossible. It's like your neighbors and vagrants who live under the bridge from your own areas coming to your house for thanksgiving dinner without your permission. Can you feed them all? Do you have the room? What are we told about how to handle this from the bible? That's the part I'd like to know.

Speaking to the last part, can't feed them all, nor the room... but we can brush up on their beliefs in preparing to give out the Gospel to them.

 

[nw2u]

Speaking to the last part, can't feed them all, nor the room... but we can brush up on their beliefs in preparing to give out the Gospel to them.

Addressing the first part, I ask what then you do with them?

Addressing the second part, you lost me. Somehow I didn't understand how "we" could brush up on "their beliefs"? And, by giving out the Gospel, do you mean to actually purchase the Gospel and hand it to them in the form of a small book with the New Testament, or do you give them your spoken word for their food and shelter? As you can see, you did lose me.

 

[Is]

Jihadi invaders prey on Western compassion

Although this comes as a commentary, many in the West are beginning to wonder if they are being duped.

I said this very thing to Angela on one of my posts. Great way to fill the world with Islam.

 

[crossnote]

I said this very thing to Angela on one of my posts. Great way to fill the world with Islam.

Oh well, the Gospel's light will dispel the darkness.

 

[Is]

Oh well, the Gospel's light will dispel the darkness.

Well, my husband looked at the situation going on in Europe and said we're next.

 

[crossnote]

Well, my husband looked at the situation going on in Europe and said we're next.

tell your husband, here in So. Cal, that's old news.