Obama nominates openly gay man as Army secretary

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Mitspa

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Re 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

Where in the bible does the Lord ever suggest we are supposed to pretend sexual deviants are a protected class of people ...that we should not "discriminate" and judge what is wicked as wicked?
 
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Mitspa

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You are absolutely right against the sin yes, but not against the person committing the sin.

We are told never to reject a person or turn away a person just because of the sins they have committed, if that were the case then nobody would ever get brought to the truth.
This is so unbiblical its sad...
 
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Seen this on the news. Pretty much what I am seeing on this thread is exactly what I expected.

I'm going to have to agree mostly here with Mitspa and VW. Not even for the experience part or the homosexual stuff.

It seems clear to me Obama is going pretty far in this last year of his presidency to stick his finger in eyes.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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It's going to be interesting to see how this new leftard military of the future, populated and run by homosexuals and feminists, "affix bayonets" and get to work in the trenches, jungles, and deserts during the next big one. I expect that they'll fold like a house of cards and desert in numbers not seen since the Civil War... lol.

I would NEVER join the U.S. military today. Bunking with perverts and being bossed around by feminists fast track promoted in the rear with the gear is nothing I want anything to do with.

Honestly, if I were 18 years old and received a draft notice from a homosexual feminist run military that wanted me to kill and possibly die in a war to force homosexuality, abortion, and radical feminism on people groups around the world; I'd be at the front door off the French Foreign Legion within 48 hours electing the "new identity" option.

Go pound sand leftards. Fight your own wars to push homosexuality and radical feminism. I'm not going to make my life disposable to propagate your immoral apostate antichrist worldview.
 
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KennethC

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Oh so this is about trying to win sinners to the truth? Kenneth your just talking in circles now ..this approval and promotion of the gay agenda that Obama is forcing on our society in no way could be suggested as trying to bring people into the truth of Christ , but rather its intention is to take people further into darkness.
I am not talking in circles nor am I speaking on supporting Obama and a gay agenda............

What I am speaking on is the LOVE that we are commanded to show to all people, not just to who we choose to !!!
 
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I am SHOCKED AGAIN by the fact there are believers who want to argue "sexual orientation" has NOTHING to do with a persons character. IF this were not a Christian forum that would be an expected attitude... but it IS a Christian forum and... WOW... do you NOT read in your bible that Sexual SIN IS A BIG DEAL TO GOD and that HE says homosexuality is BASE REPROBATE BEHAVIOR???
 
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I am not talking in circles nor am I speaking on supporting Obama and a gay agenda............

What I am speaking on is the LOVE that we are commanded to show to all people, not just to who we choose to !!!
Showing LOVE to a practicing homosexual is... "hey, do you know that the word of God says that the sexually immoral are going to Hell? That practicing sexual sin which includes homosexuality is a "mark" of a hellbound person? I have good news for you, YOU can repent and receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior!"... that is love... not "hey would you and your "partner" like to come over to my house on Friday and eat with my spouse and children?"

Seems like MANY people are forgetting that you LOVE GOD FIRST and that means you adopt HIS VIEW about all matters pertaining to life.... ALL MATTERS not just the ones you like or find easy.
 
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I am SHOCKED AGAIN by the fact there are believers who want to argue "sexual orientation" has NOTHING to do with a persons character. IF this were not a Christian forum that would be an expected attitude... but it IS a Christian forum and... WOW... do you NOT read in your bible that Sexual SIN IS A BIG DEAL TO GOD and that HE says homosexuality is BASE REPROBATE BEHAVIOR???
Yes and nobody is agreeing with or siding with that kind of lifestyle to be allowed, AT LEAST NOT ME !!!

The Word of God though does say to not turn away a person because of the sin they are in, as any sin can be forgiven of if repented of except for the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

I have seen some gay people talk and refrain from giving into those sexual desires because of their love for God, and others that have even stopped being gay to live a lifestyle of being straight and involved in a marriage between man and a woman.

Others have denied the teachings of the Lord though to continue that way !!!

We are never to turn a person away no matter what sins they have done, and jobs are no different as we are to look at the qualifications and not their sexual orientations !!!
 
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KennethC

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Showing LOVE to a practicing homosexual is... "hey, do you know that the word of God says that the sexually immoral are going to Hell? That practicing sexual sin which includes homosexuality is a "mark" of a hellbound person? I have good news for you, YOU can repent and receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior!"... that is love... not "hey would you and your "partner" like to come over to my house on Friday and eat with my spouse and children?"

Seems like MANY people are forgetting that you LOVE GOD FIRST and that means you adopt HIS VIEW about all matters pertaining to life.... ALL MATTERS not just the ones you like or find easy.

Nobody is saying sexual immorality is not wrong, we all know it is !!!

That is not to be used to not show love to them and do good to them as the Lord Jesus said we are to do !!!

Nowhere does the bible give us the right to hate or discriminate against a person because of sins they are in, we are to do the exact opposite. By showing them love and doing good to them is not supporting the lifestyle !!!
 
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Mitspa

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I am not talking in circles nor am I speaking on supporting Obama and a gay agenda............

What I am speaking on is the LOVE that we are commanded to show to all people, not just to who we choose to !!!
Clearly you don't know what "love" is...When Jesus warns folks of hell...is that love?

Is the bible not written in love... is warning a sinner, not love? Is promoting and approving evil love?

1Co 13:6 (love) Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
 
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Mitspa

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Nobody is saying sexual immorality is not wrong, we all know it is !!!

That is not to be used to not show love to them and do good to them as the Lord Jesus said we are to do !!!

Nowhere does the bible give us the right to hate or discriminate against a person because of sins they are in, we are to do the exact opposite. By showing them love and doing good to them is not supporting the lifestyle !!!
That left-wing nonsense...does this sound like God discriminates?

Ro 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil,
of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;


Being a sexual deviant is not a special class of people...its not a race...its a sin!
 
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Mitspa

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If you know is evil...why would you defend those that promote it?
 
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BarlyGurl

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>>> We are never to turn a person away no matter what sins they have done, and jobs are no different as we are to look at the qualifications and not their sexual orientations !!!<<<

Ok... YOU DO THAT... but I am telling you, YOU will end up dealing with the CHARACTER ISSUES associated with the sexual orientation ISSUE on the JOB LEVEL and if you wanna ADD problems to your life... GO AHEAD... I DO NOT... so I will repeat... IF I AM HIRING... I WOULD NOT HIRE A HOMOSEXUAL KNOWINGLY. It is illegal to ask in such information, so I wouldn't, but I would NOT hire if I KNEW it. What goes on in the GOVERNMENT is not under my personal control... and looks to be "rolling out" just as God said it would... worser and worser.:(
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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It's utterly fallacious to falsely assert that a deeply deceived, grossly immoral, individual who's behavior is so immoral that demonic oppression is inescapable and their belief system so contrary to God's holiness they actually assert God created them to engage in a sexual immorality He himself, His son Jesus Christ, the apostles, and early church patriarchs soundly condemned as an abdominal sin placing those who practice it in danger of hell have pure "characters" unaffected by their beliefs and behaviors. Ignoramuses, fools, the deceived, and those in denial make such obvious false assertions.

If you know is evil...why would you defend those that promote it?
 
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BarlyGurl

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Nobody is saying sexual immorality is not wrong, we all know it is !!!

That is not to be used to not show love to them and do good to them as the Lord Jesus said we are to do !!!

Nowhere does the bible give us the right to hate or discriminate against a person because of sins they are in, we are to do the exact opposite. By showing them love and doing good to them is not supporting the lifestyle !!!
And NOWHERE have I ever asserted to HATE people.... discriminate??? ABSOLUTELY, I don't hold a "politically correct" faith, I hold to "scriptural faith"... which means I have to DISCERN right and wrong and sometimes be subjugated by secular rules... but it doesn't change my view of the issues.
 
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What a knuckle-headed statement. He's not leading troops into battle. He's the chief administrator of the Army, pushing papers, executing policies, pushing the Obama agenda. Period.
He's an openly gay man who has worked in increasingly more important roles in the military branches of government since the 1990's, first under Bush Senior (Director of Political Affairs at the White House, Dep. Chief. Management Officer for the Navy, member of the Immediate Office of the Secretary of Defense under Cheney) then he took a business job under Clinton, and was appointed Under Secretary of the Air Force under Obama, and he has just been promoted to a position administrating the entire military, in a country where at least half of the touring servicemen are bible-bashing Texans who probably used to beat "fags" to a pulp in gym class. You want someone with nerve to lead your forces? Look no further.
 
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Mitspa

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He's an openly gay man who has worked in increasingly more important roles in the military branches of government since the 1990's, first under Bush Senior (Director of Political Affairs at the White House, Dep. Chief. Management Officer for the Navy, member of the Immediate Office of the Secretary of Defense under Cheney) then he took a business job under Clinton, and was appointed Under Secretary of the Air Force under Obama, and he has just been promoted to a position administrating the entire military, in a country where at least half of the touring servicemen are bible-bashing Texans who probably used to beat "fags" to a pulp in gym class. You want someone with nerve to lead your forces? Look no further.
Like to have someone with some moral character ...not some sexual deviant.
 
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Showing LOVE to a practicing homosexual is... "hey, do you know that the word of God says that the sexually immoral are going to Hell? That practicing sexual sin which includes homosexuality is a "mark" of a hellbound person? I have good news for you, YOU can repent and receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior!"... that is love... not "hey would you and your "partner" like to come over to my house on Friday and eat with my spouse and children?"

Seems like MANY people are forgetting that you LOVE GOD FIRST and that means you adopt HIS VIEW about all matters pertaining to life.... ALL MATTERS not just the ones you like or find easy.
You can't say this to strangers and honestly expect them to respond with "okay, let me drop my entire life and come do what you say, because I just met you, but your threats make me feel the love". Threatening and scaring strangers into either becoming extremely angry at you or ignoring you altogether (which I imagine is the response you receive at least 90% of the time), is about as much use to a God who wants you to "save souls" as running around spraying mace in peoples' eyes. It doesn't constitute anything like "love". It doesn't even constitute common sense. It's at best rash and ignorant, and at worst deliberately seditious.

If you want someone to pay you even a modicum of attention, and I mean serious attention, the listening type of attention you get from friends or your kids, the type of attention where what you say actually means something, you've got to be able to build a bond of trust. If you can't empathize, show a bit of compassion, "inivte the tax-collector to eat at your table", then you don't even resemble the same species as Jesus.
 
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Mitspa

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You can't say this to strangers and honestly expect them to respond with "okay, let me drop my entire life and come do what you say, because I just met you, but your threats make me feel the love". Threatening and scaring strangers into either becoming extremely angry at you or ignoring you altogether (which I imagine is the response you receive at least 90% of the time), is about as much use to a God who wants you to "save souls" as running around spraying mace in peoples' eyes. It doesn't constitute anything like "love". It doesn't even constitute common sense. It's at best rash and ignorant, and at worst deliberately seditious.

If you want someone to pay you even a modicum of attention, and I mean serious attention, the listening type of attention you get from friends or your kids, the type of attention where what you say actually means something, you've got to be able to build a bond of trust. If you can't empathize, show a bit of compassion, "inivte the tax-collector to eat at your table", then you don't even resemble the same species as Jesus.
So if you want to win trust...tell folks a lie? How insane