Obama nominates openly gay man as Army secretary

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So if you want to win trust...tell folks a lie? How insane
How is any of what I said about lying to anyone? I said it's better to show compassion and have a bit of empathy, "invite the tax collector to your dinner table", so to speak, than to come out and harass somebody. I didn't say lie. I said there's no need, hell there isn't even any use, in threatening strangers. What makes you think that anybody, gay or straight, is going to listen to you when you walk up to them and threaten them or anybody like them (could be their partner, or even just their friends) with an eternity of torture unless they conform to your rules? If you came up to me or my kid where I live, in Belfast (or came up to pretty much anyone else who I know, for that matter) and said exactly what KaylaGirl posted, you would receive one of three things: total indifference, a verbal tongue lashing, or a slap so hard you'd have to sit down on the kerb and re-evaluate your existence. It's rude, it's unnecessary, and it's threatening, and there's absolutely no way that people are going to listen to you if you go about building a relationship with them like that, by saying "you're going to burn in hell if you don't believe what I say". Why would anybody want to believe a person who asks for trust (believe what I say) while simultaneously showing no empathy or understanding, no compassion, no ability to be pleasant, polite, or kind? They wouldn't, is the answer.
 
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You can't say this to strangers and honestly expect them to respond with "okay, let me drop my entire life and come do what you say, because I just met you, but your threats make me feel the love". Threatening and scaring strangers into either becoming extremely angry at you or ignoring you altogether (which I imagine is the response you receive at least 90% of the time), is about as much use to a God who wants you to "save souls" as running around spraying mace in peoples' eyes. It doesn't constitute anything like "love". It doesn't even constitute common sense. It's at best rash and ignorant, and at worst deliberately seditious.

If you want someone to pay you even a modicum of attention, and I mean serious attention, the listening type of attention you get from friends or your kids, the type of attention where what you say actually means something, you've got to be able to build a bond of trust. If you can't empathize, show a bit of compassion, "inivte the tax-collector to eat at your table", then you don't even resemble the same species as Jesus.
Sometimes you make good comments... this is not one of them. The context of my comments was intended to be "personal business policy" and "personal relationships"... not social conduct in general... you have read enough of my posts I think to be able to figure that out. Or maybe you just think I needed to be "educated" in proper social conduct???
 
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How is any of what I said about lying to anyone? I said it's better to show compassion and have a bit of empathy, "invite the tax collector to your dinner table", so to speak, than to come out and harass somebody. I didn't say lie. I said there's no need, hell there isn't even any use, in threatening strangers. What makes you think that anybody, gay or straight, is going to listen to you when you walk up to them and threaten them or anybody like them (could be their partner, or even just their friends) with an eternity of torture unless they conform to your rules? If you came up to me or my kid where I live, in Belfast (or came up to pretty much anyone else who I know, for that matter) and said exactly what KaylaGirl posted, you would receive one of three things: total indifference, a verbal tongue lashing, or a slap so hard you'd have to sit down on the kerb and re-evaluate your existence. It's rude, it's unnecessary, and it's threatening, and there's absolutely no way that people are going to listen to you if you go about building a relationship with them like that, by saying "you're going to burn in hell if you don't believe what I say". Why would anybody want to believe a person who asks for trust (believe what I say) while simultaneously showing no empathy or understanding, no compassion, no ability to be pleasant, polite, or kind? They wouldn't, is the answer.
Remember its better to show compassion that to tell someone the truth.... haha lol
 
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That left-wing nonsense...does this sound like God discriminates?

Ro 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil,
of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;


Being a sexual deviant is not a special class of people...its not a race...its a sin!

We all know that sexual immorality is a sin, stop trying to act like we don't understand that !!!

The scripture you use from Romans 2:7-9 does not give us the right to discriminate or treat them badly, it is talking about they will go through the tribulation period and face those plagues in it and stand before judgment of God if they continue in that way.

Again nowhere does the bible give us the right to treat others like crap because of the sin/s they are in !!!

We are to show them love, do good to them, and try to bring them to the truth in Christ.

Keep your hate doctrine for these people up and see where it gets you, because hate is a sin also !!!
 
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This is so unbiblical its sad...
No it is not unbiblical as the bible gives steps to handle somebody in sin, and turning them away is never the first step !!!
 
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So if you want to win trust...tell folks a lie? How insane
It is not telling a lie, as even our Lord Jesus went in and sat and ate and drank with sinners.

It was the Pharisees and such that ridiculed Him for doing this, instead of going in and getting on them for their sinful behavior He went in and sat and ate with them. When ridiculed Jesus said the well have no need for a physician, only the sick do which is what He came to do is heal the sick!!!

Lord Jesus was talking about sin and we were all sick at one time before accepting the Lord and knowing the proper way to walk that He set the standard for us.
 
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Yeah. You're absolutely right. Cause it's about a person's sexual orientation that matters over job qualifications. I have no knowledge in business training, but hey, let me apply for a job in business. I deserve it over the guy that's had his own business since he was 16, even though I don't know a thing of the industry. But you know why I deserve it? Cause he's gay. I'm not.
Sadly, this happens all day everyday in politics. However, your last sentence is twisted regarding this story. obama nominated this guy because he is gay, not because he is the most qualified.
 
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I never said he did serve as all I was doing was asking for your proof he didn't to make the claim......

Also he has had a long career in politics in the military branch since 1996, and has been involved in politics since 1990.

He is well qualified for the job at hand rather you like it or not, and that is the point that me and others have tried to point out to you. But you continue to only look at the bias fact that he is gay !!!
Eating food for the first 50 years of my life does not qualify me to be a farmer. You honestly think the best, most qualified people get jobs in politics? No sir, doesn't work that way.
 
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... You want someone with nerve to lead your forces? Look no further.


"Nerve"? What "nerve" is required to take a selfishly oriented stance against the Creator of the universe by insisting that "gay" is all right? That isn't "nerve." That's rebellion. You do know what rebellion gets you in the end, right?
 
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"Nerve"? What "nerve" is required to take a selfishly oriented stance against the Creator of the universe by insisting that "gay" is all right? That isn't "nerve." That's rebellion. You do know what rebellion gets you in the end, right?
No, daddy, I don't know: what does rebellion get me in the end?
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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No, daddy, I don't know: what does rebellion get me in the end?
Objection overruled. Goes to facts already in evidence ...

... and I ain't your daddy. If I was, you'd be a lot better behaved.
 
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Objection overruled. Goes to facts already in evidence ...
You don't hold moral authority over me or anyone else, and neither does you belief system, your God, or your devil, your angels or whatever the hell flavour of the century you believe in. The only person you have moral authority over, the only brain you can drive, the only person whose personal, adult choices you can dictate, are your own.

That's the point. You aren't my father, you aren't Eric Fanning's father, you aren't Barrack Obama's father. Those guys can take or give any job they like, and their personal, adult, private lives and decisions -- who they sleep with, what they like to get up to in the comfort of their own homes -- so long as it doesn't harm anyone else, is utterly unaffectiing and irrelevant to your ability to lead your own free life.
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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You don't hold moral authority over me or anyone else ...
I didn't say it was I who do, did I? We both answer to the same higher Authority.

... That's the point. You aren't my father, you aren't Eric Fanning's father, you aren't Barrack Obama's father. ...
And if I was, they'd be better behaved, too.
 

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You don't hold moral authority over me or anyone else, and neither does you belief system, your God, or your devil, your angels or whatever the hell flavour of the century you believe in. The only person you have moral authority over, the only brain you can drive, the only person whose personal, adult choices you can dictate, are your own.

That's the point. You aren't my father, you aren't Eric Fanning's father, you aren't Barrack Obama's father. Those guys can take or give any job they like, and their personal, adult, private lives and decisions -- who they sleep with, what they like to get up to in the comfort of their own homes -- so long as it doesn't harm anyone else, is utterly unaffectiing and irrelevant to your ability to lead your own free life.
Alright now... ummm... this is just getting silly.

: )
 
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Alright now... ummm... this is just getting silly.

: )
Perhaps. He did ask me what happens when I'm rebellious though, in that threatening, "you see what you get?" kind of abusive-fatherly way.
 
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I didn't say it was I who do, did I? We both answer to the same higher Authority.


No, we don't. You answer to your God, and I answer to my conscience.

And if I was, they'd be better behaved, too.
Yes, the world would all be perfect if you sat as its head. We got that part already.
 
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Sirk

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Alright now... ummm... this is just getting silly.

: )
We got a one up/one down relationship going on here. I'm not sure if the one down is to blame or the one up. Lol
 
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Objection overruled. Goes to facts already in evidence ...

... and I ain't your daddy. If I was, you'd be a lot better behaved.
Shootin' fish in a barrel again, VG. :p

I love learning from you, Brother!