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Omni

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leonardronaldo said:
This is why liberal thinking are the most famous in the world, but at the same time the most stupid. They assume two contradictory positions, yet they want to be acknowledged as saying the truth. LOL I rest my case
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Leonard, you're not getting it. A woman who is raped, and gets pregnant, will have mixed feelings. She will probably recognize: this baby is an innocent. She will probably also recognize: this baby contains a rapist's genes. She will recognize: I'm pregnant and this life-form relies on me. She will recognize: I'm pregnant against my will. She will recognize: this child has not done anything wrong. She will recognize: this child might have her father (the rapist's) physical features. She will recognize: this child depends on me for life and grows inside me. She will recognize: I did not consent to this child growing inside me. She will recognize: Hurting this child may be wrong because this child because is innocent. She will recognize: at the same time, I may not feel it is fair for me to have this child, because I did not consent to the sex.

Those are mixed feelings.


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Omni

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leonardronaldo said:
I was about to reply to statements you made in this post. But since you mention the quran as one of source of moralities, that shows your ignorancy both on moral and quran itself lol.
I rest my case on you. May God shows his Grace to us all.
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"Morality" is just: any set of principles concerning any distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviours. There are lots of different moralities.
 
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crossnote said:
we trace God's revelation of the origins of mankind back about 6000 years ago in a place called the Garden of Eden.
Jesus, attested to this ...

Mark 10:6-7 KJV
[6] But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. [7] For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;

So we have Jesus, who also claimed to be God, being witnessed as such by His resurrection, giving us an anchor in human history. Now what witnesses to the veracity of their claim did you say the Hindus have?

I'll take the testimony of One who hundreds of prophecies pointed to, who did many miracles accompanied by many witnesses as well as rise from the dead and seen by over 500 and who prophesied many things we are beginning to see come to pass as well as somethings that have been already fulfilled over that of religions and philosophies that come from man's imagination.
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Oh, Snap!!!
 
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Omni said:
Leonard, you're not getting it. A woman who is raped, and gets pregnant, will have mixed feelings. She will probably recognize: this baby is an innocent. She will probably also recognize: this baby contains a rapist's genes. She will recognize: I'm pregnant and this life-form relies on me. She will recognize: I'm pregnant against my will. She will recognize: this child has not done anything wrong. She will recognize: this child might have her father (the rapist's) physical features. She will recognize: this child depends on me for life and grows inside me. She will recognize: I did not consent to this child growing inside me. She will recognize: Hurting this child may be wrong because this child because is innocent. She will recognize: at the same time, I may not feel it is fair for me to have this child, because I did not consent to the sex.

Those are mixed feelings.


Perasaan campur aduk. Emosi dicampur.
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You don't have to translate it to Indonesian language, especially using google translate (or any other online translator) which was not showing a very accurate translation. I know what I stated and being stated here by others.

So if the girl's victim had what you described as mixed feelings, but the girl is tend to choose to do abortion, you will also agree with her, and then succumb to the decision to kill the baby. Am I right? But if the girl is tend to choose to continue to deliver the baby, you will also agree with her. Am i right as well?

Why was i wrong when I said you assume two contradictory positions, yet you want to be acknowledged as saying the truth?
 
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leonardronaldo said:
You don't have to translate it to Indonesian language, especially using google translate (or any other online translator) which was not showing a very accurate translation. I know what I stated and being stated here by others.

So if the girl's victim had what you described as mixed feelings, but the girl is tend to choose to do abortion, you will also agree with her, and then succumb to the decision to kill the baby. Am I right? But if the girl is tend to choose to continue to deliver the baby, you will also agree with her. Am i right as well?

Why was i wrong when I said you assume two contradictory positions, yet you want to be acknowledged as saying the truth?
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I fundamentally believe that if a woman is illegally impregnated, she should have the right to be legally un-impregnated, if she so wishes. That's not the same as holding two contradictory positions. It is one position: let a rape victim choose for herself. It should not be anybody else's choice. She was a victim of a crime, and the pregnancy is a direct result of that crime. She has been violated not only into having sex against her consent, but to become pregnant also against her consent. If she did not consent to the sex, then the pregnancy itself was illegally procured. Not only was the pregnancy illegally procured, it was also immorally procured. So I think she should have the legal right to un-procure it.

However, if she came and asked me personally for advice, I would not encourage her to abort the child.

I'd be interested to hear the viewpoints of actual women on this issue. Not many have responded, if any at all.
 
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Omni said:
I fundamentally believe that if a woman is illegally impregnated, she should have the right to be legally un-impregnated, if she so wishes. That's not the same as holding two contradictory positions. It is one position: let a rape victim choose for herself. It should not be anybody else's choice. She was a victim of a crime, and the pregnancy is a direct result of that crime. She has been violated not only into having sex against her consent, but to become pregnant also against her consent. If she did not consent to the sex, then the pregnancy itself was illegally procured. Not only was the pregnancy illegally procured, it was also immorally procured. So I think she should have the legal right to un-procure it.

However, if she came and asked me personally for advice, I would not encourage her to abort the child.

I'd be interested to hear the viewpoints of actual women on this issue. Not many have responded, if any at all.
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At least you got your advice right. I hope you are not in 'mixed feelings' in giving your advice.
 
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