American Christians and American Rights by American Law

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Recently a friend asked my opinion on this issue. His words: "My granddaughter told me the other day that her third grade class was learning how to sing a song in sign language. The song is 'Imagine' by John Lennon. Anyone who does not know the words of this song should look them up. At the very least it says that the world would be better off without God. It also states that there is no God. My question is this, if we cannot teach in our public schools that God exists, why are they able to teach that He does not? The Law is that public education remains neutral. Govt remains neutral in the subject and practice of religion. The elementary school teaching the song 'Imagine' by John Lennon appears to me to have violated that Law. "

Does to me as well. In some things i believe Christians should yield. in others they should hold their ground. And in some, i believe we should push back. American Christians are every bit American as any one else. Paul, when it became advantageous, claimed legal rights afforded him by Roman Law. In like manner we should lay hold of and claim our American Rights afforded us by American Law. I believe that Soloflight-coG will take up Lee's cause.

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Here are the words of the song Imagine by John Lennon! In this song he mentions many issues within the world. Maybe he is speaking about deaths of people because of religion. Explain to me so I can understand your issue. My child attended a Catholic school, had to make a rosary for class. The teacher came to me ask my permission, I had no problem with it because I explained to my child that we will respect the assignment, but we do not pray with rosary. It will be a necklace for her! Maybe your friend can speak to the teacher about the issue with the song because of his belief. Remember the grand daughter is part of the class with her peers. Is it truly a major issue because it would be different if the teacher was speaking about gay rights. A person must choose ones battle wisely!!! I hope your friend pray about the issue.


  1. Imagine
    Song by The Plastic Ono Band, John Lennon


    Imagine there's no heaven
    It's easy if you try
    No hell below us
    Above us only sky
    Imagine all the people
    Living for today...
    Imagine there's no countries
    It isn't hard to do
    Nothing to kill or die for
    And no religion too
    Imagine all the people
    Living life in peace...
    You may say I'm a dreamer
    But I'm not the only one
    I hope someday you'll join us
    And the world will be as one
    Imagine no possessions
    I wonder if you can
    No need for greed or hunger
    A brotherhood of man
    Imagine all the people
    Sharing all the world...
    You may say I'm a dreamer
    But I'm not the only one
    I hope someday you'll join us
    And the world will live as one

 
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That's an interesting little thing you point out here. Indeed I get your view and it would seem to me indeed as you imply a conflict or hypocrisy of their own codes. So I suppose the solution would be either to not let them play any music or that they ought to be more equal opportunity.

Lol maybe a little more of a joke, but I would muse that rather than some sort of plot, they play the antiquated John Lennon music because their faculty are likely geriatrics trying to recapture them hippy days. Lol, maybe they just need to embrace the 21st Century. Hippy music is so yesterday! It's all about the ancient art of poetry remixed to a modern beat these days. Also as an added bonus, I have met many deaf people and every single one of them appreciates a fine taste in rap music. So it would seem to me rap music be preferable to hippy music for the studying of modern American Deaf culture.

Maybe they could opt for that equal opportunity solution and play a lil bit of Bone Thugs.

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to warrior H; whats to explain? Peers?
 
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soloflight said:
Recently a friend asked my opinion on this issue. His words: "My granddaughter told me the other day that her third grade class was learning how to sing a song in sign language. The song is 'Imagine' by John Lennon. Anyone who does not know the words of this song should look them up. At the very least it says that the world would be better off without God. It also states that there is no God. My question is this, if we cannot teach in our public schools that God exists, why are they able to teach that He does not? The Law is that public education remains neutral. Govt remains neutral in the subject and practice of religion. The elementary school teaching the song 'Imagine' by John Lennon appears to me to have violated that Law. "

Does to me as well. In some things i believe Christians should yield. in others they should hold their ground. And in some, i believe we should push back. American Christians are every bit American as any one else. Paul, when it became advantageous, claimed legal rights afforded him by Roman Law. In like manner we should lay hold of and claim our American Rights afforded us by American Law. I believe that Soloflight-coG will take up Lee's cause.

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This is true although ever since prayer and the Big 10 were removed from public school and evolution had a hay day, the implication has been 'there is no God' even though it wasn't verbally expressed.
 
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to warrior H; whats to explain? Peers?

You know, one of the lessons here is that we, American Christians, are not door mats. Nor has God ever intended us to be so. We are persecuted for standing surely for Truth. We don't seek acceptance or reward for compromising Truth for the sake of peace or peers. The gentleman who brought the subject up cares for his granddaughter in perfect light. And he cares for fellow Christians in equal manner. This 'world' that you see and all in it is gone. forever. replaced by Eternity. Forever. Peace forever. Until then know that we, Christians, are at war. Eph 6 does not say the bouquet of flowers of truth. No. The sword. And the shield. What stands behind the shield? A comedian? No. A warrior, a combatant, a soldier. we do not do battle with flesh and blood, we battle for them.

ahhh..a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.
 
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You're clearly here to promote your organization, soloflight
(you've been putting up banners all over CC).

So what is soloflight?


If you're here promoting your organization, then what is it, and what is it about?





 
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to maxwell--pretty much what you see. i made these banners to display how i feel or think. easier than writing out a bunch of words, you know? much like your pic of the single eye glass, which i like very much. is it orig? i've not seen one before. the soloflight pic is as follows; the swords from eph 6. the writing in the handles- lower is hebrew, top is greek. old testement, new testement. both translate to the same word, LET, as spoken by God. soloflight gives the idea of the individule in motion (choice). also SOL(dier) OF LIGHT--SOLOFLIGHT..the short of it all.
 
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There trying to get God out of school
 
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soloflight said:
Recently a friend asked my opinion on this issue. His words: "My granddaughter told me the other day that her third grade class was learning how to sing a song in sign language. The song is 'Imagine' by John Lennon. Anyone who does not know the words of this song should look them up. At the very least it says that the world would be better off without God. It also states that there is no God. My question is this, if we cannot teach in our public schools that God exists, why are they able to teach that He does not? The Law is that public education remains neutral. Govt remains neutral in the subject and practice of religion. The elementary school teaching the song 'Imagine' by John Lennon appears to me to have violated that Law. "

Does to me as well. In some things i believe Christians should yield. in others they should hold their ground. And in some, i believe we should push back. American Christians are every bit American as any one else. Paul, when it became advantageous, claimed legal rights afforded him by Roman Law. In like manner we should lay hold of and claim our American Rights afforded us by American Law. I believe that Soloflight-coG will take up Lee's cause.

Amen?
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Schools aren't allowed to teach religion as fact, and they're not allowed to teach creationism in science classes. This doesn't mean that schools can't teach religion from a neutral academic perspective. In fact, the constitution allows religion to be taught from a neutral vantage point. As for "Imagine", it's a Beatles' song, not a factual scientific proof of the non-existence of God.

Academia is about looking at various viewpoints and giving children the skills to think critically about them. It wouldn't be right to ban schools from analyzing and studying material that challenges religion, any more than it would be right to ban looking at the religion itself. As long as all of this is done from a factual, analytical, critical viewpoint, there's no danger of indoctrination either way.

When I was at school, we were taught about various religions in specially designed "religious education" classes. We looked at the history of religion, and how religions compare.
 
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Parents need to accept the fact that they are to teach their kids, not the state.
Just keep them home.
 
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response to omni: this situation was not with in the academic parameters that you set out. it was a third grade class and they were being taught an extreme philosophy concerning God insomuch as ACCUSING Him as the root cause of all the problems on earth. that the world would be better off with out Him. John Lennon is quoted as saying that he is "a big fan of Jesus." A far, far cry from saying that Jesus is the Son of God. that Jesus is God. John Lennon viewed God much as he viewed himself, as an entertainer, just not a very good one.

Catholic Bishop: John Lennon’s ‘Imagine’ Gave Voice to ‘Ill-Founded Belief’ That ‘Religion is the Cause of Wars’
By Michael W. Chapman | December 23, 2014 | 5:27 PM EST
John Lennon’s famous song “Imagine,” which pines for a Marxist utopia devoid of property and religion, lyrically promotes the “ill-founded belief” that “religion is the cause of wars,...”
 
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