Group Demands Removal of ‘God Bless the Military’ Sign Over Religious Reference

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Re: Group Demands Removal of ‘God Bless the Military’ Sign Over Religious Reference

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) has demanded that a sign reading “God Bless the Military” be removed or relocated from a Hawaii Marine base. MRFF has stated that the sign violates the US Constitution’s Establishment Clause unless it is placed in the chapel or completely removed.

Group Demands Removal of ‘God Bless the Military’ Sign Over Religious Reference | Christian News Network
In other words...Christians, get out of the public square!!
The ironic thing is that it is the military that helps protect that 1st Amendment right.
 
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im christian, but why do you not understand that its not constitutional? in government, no religion or god is superior. why is that hard to understand? thats why its bad that god is on the bill or pledge of allegience. its a secular, neutral country
 
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I actually have to agree with Kisses on this one.

The law and government should be neutral. By that I mean really neutral, neither Christian nor Islamic nor Atheist.
Individuals should be allowed to wear the cross, pray, preach or whatever they want, but the state as an institution can't be partial. Just look at the chaos it creates in the middle east. What if the other religions suddenly demand references to their Gods ? most Christians would not be happy about that.
 
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How long was it there before anyone complained? Decades? Why now?
 

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Still, to remove God (any religion) from the public place means humanism by default will be the voice of the Government.
A government will sway to whatever the predominate influence is. So go ahead Christians buy into the socialistic/humanistic mentality (of separation of Church from State) and watch what fills the void created by your retreat. Your children will thank you.
 
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im christian, but why do you not understand that its not constitutional?
No, because it is not. Your "statement of fact" is nothing more than an erroneous opinion.

The First Amendment is a one-way wall preventing government from interfering in religious practice. It is in no way a "separation" clause as many want to make it.
 

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How long was it there before anyone complained? Decades? Why now?
People have always complained. The only different between then and now is that now the time where it's socially acceptable to do so. People have wanted to eschew religion in the establishment all throughout history, and now they can do so openly and freely. But there was a time when doing so would result in shackles, beatings and burnings.
 

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No, because it is not. Your "statement of fact" is nothing more than an erroneous opinion.

The First Amendment is a one-way wall preventing government from interfering in religious practice. It is in no way a "separation" clause as many want to make it.
That's totally false. There are two clauses to the Amendment; that government should not prohibit free exercise of personal religion, but also that government shall make no laws respecting any particular religion. The latter is why it's unconstitutional for the DOD (a government agency) to have banners like "God bless the military". It's the same reason why swearing on the bible is not something any non-Christian should have to do in court, and it's the same reason why things like "in God we trust" or "one nation under God" are erroneous and false: not every citizen trusts in God, and not every citizen chooses to be under God.
 

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Re: Group Demands Removal of ‘God Bless the Military’ Sign Over Religious Reference

Still, to remove God (any religion) from the public place means humanism by default will be the voice of the Government.
A government will sway to whatever the predominate influence is. So go ahead Christians buy into the socialistic/humanistic mentality (of separation of Church from State) and watch what fills the void created by your retreat. Your children will thank you.
Secularism (the political philosophy that advocates that church and state be separate and that people or all religions or no religion be equal in the eyes of the law) is the default position of the constitution and thus of American law. Since the constitution was signed, religious principles have never constitutionally been the default moral or legal foundations of the laws of the USA and its government -- it's a secular country. The six main founding fathers were enlightenment-era Deists, not Christians, and there is clear evidence of this in their letters, their communications, and in the constitution itself. THey didn't believe in enforcing religion on the populace, and they clearly recognized the need for secular principles.

The fact that a banner comes down, in alignment with these secular principles, does not change anything except to prove that these secular principles do exist, and have done, since the signing of the constitution. The world won't suddenly turn into horrible secular atheist humanists because a sign that violates the separation of church and state is removed. The world will still turn, just as it did yesterday, Crossnote.
 

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Re: Group Demands Removal of ‘God Bless the Military’ Sign Over Religious Reference

Secularism (the political philosophy that advocates that church and state be separate and that people or all religions or no religion be equal in the eyes of the law) is the default position of the constitution and thus of American law. Since the constitution was signed, religious principles have never constitutionally been the default moral or legal foundations of the laws of the USA and its government -- it's a secular country. The six main founding fathers were enlightenment-era Deists, not Christians, and there is clear evidence of this in their letters, their communications, and in the constitution itself. THey didn't believe in enforcing religion on the populace, and they clearly recognized the need for secular principles.

The fact that a banner comes down, in alignment with these secular principles, does not change anything except to prove that these secular principles do exist, and have done, since the signing of the constitution. The world won't suddenly turn into horrible secular atheist humanists because a sign that violates the separation of church and state is removed. The world will still turn, just as it did yesterday, Crossnote.
omni, I see you have drunken deep into the secular swill well.
The position of the founding Father's is immaterial, what counts is what the Constitution says including it's admendments...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Now show me where there is a separation of Church from State in the above admendment.
 
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