Classic Russian double-cross: U.S.-backed separtists are bombing targets

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It's not a double-cross to fight terrorists, the enemies of your ally. It is highly questionable to be funding and arming jihadists and terrorists though. Seems to me Obama and certain ill factions in our government are dismayed that the Russians might annihilate their terrorist suppliants. Still though, I don't think the Russian uptick will be enough to stop the fall of Assad. Even moreso I do not think they will be able to stop the Islamic State for now. Perhaps this is why the Russians have avoided going toe to toe with the strong one of the islamic heathen and instead have focused on the weaker jihadists and terrorists. We shall see though.
 
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Yes, they claimed it was an ISIS position. The Pentagon also claimed it was not.
The Pentagon proved it was not, whether you want to believe that or not. They posted pictures to U.S. and European news media with GPS coordinates matching existing terrain data to satellite imagery, so that anyone who was really interested in knowing the truth could see it for themselves. Apparently that excludes you.

It's not a double-cross to fight terrorists, the enemies of your ally.
It is, however, a "classic Russian double-cross" to claim you have entered a theater of military operations with the intent of defeating the terrorists, and then proceed to do nothing more than bomb the allies of your enemy. The latter is what Russia, under Putin's guidance, is doing.
 
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It's not a double-cross to fight terrorists, the enemies of your ally. It is highly questionable to be funding and arming jihadists and terrorists though. Seems to me Obama and certain ill factions in our government are dismayed that the Russians might annihilate their terrorist suppliants. Still though, I don't think the Russian uptick will be enough to stop the fall of Assad. Even moreso I do not think they will be able to stop the Islamic State for now. Perhaps this is why the Russians have avoided going toe to toe with the strong one of the islamic heathen and instead have focused on the weaker jihadists and terrorists. We shall see though.
Russia's going to annihilate them. I'm suspecting they will seal off the Turkish border to block resupply (The Lebanese border is virtually sealed). Once that happens ISIS is finished unless they allow them to flee to Iraq. Reports are coming in they are already starting to flee to Iraq from Raqqa, their capital. The Russian airstrikes are brutal. Not the kind of stuff they've seen before. And then there's the Chinese who are coming. The Iranians and who knows who else.
 
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Russia's going to annihilate them.
Only if they bomb them, which is what they have not, to this point, done. Annihilation requires actual engagement. Russia is interested only in taking out Assad's rebels, not the real threat of ISIS.
 
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Only if they bomb them, which is what they have not, to this point, done. Annihilation requires actual engagement. Russia is interested only in taking out Assad's rebels, not the real threat of ISIS.
That's not what I've read.
 
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Homs, of course, is the rebel capitol. The nearest ISIS activity is some 85 miles to the southeast. The sheer gutlessness of our clown-in-chief continues to dumbfound.
VW, I can feel your anger. I can. Remember, the Lord reigns. And too, this era of clown-in-chief is fading quicker than we know. It is. In the great scheme of things: It is but a vapor (more like a gas fume from clown-in-chief).

He that sows asininities shall reap dung. Oh he will. He will.

Then again, we are the ones left to do the shoveling.

Just go back to my first sentence.



 
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It is, however, a "classic Russian double-cross" to claim you have entered a theater of military operations with the intent of defeating the terrorists, and then proceed to do nothing more than bomb the allies of your enemy. The latter is what Russia, under Putin's guidance, is doing.
Then it's still not a double-cross because they're bombing terrorists and jihadists just as they said they would. I think the faux-outrage is stirred up by Obama because these particular terrorists are his suppliants whom he has, against our will, been aiding and comforting.
 
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The Pentagon proved it was not, whether you want to believe that or not. They posted pictures to U.S. and European news media with GPS coordinates matching existing terrain data to satellite imagery, so that anyone who was really interested in knowing the truth could see it for themselves. Apparently that excludes you.

The pentagon proved they Bombed Homs. No one has disputed that. Russia never denied bombing Homs and no one has disputed the location where it happened. Because the Pentagon proves bombs were in fact dropped on the target that Russia admitted to bombing and showed proof of via video (confirming the footage is authentic), that somehow translates to ISIS was not there? That is not logical by any means. Its not a matter of what I want to believe, its blatantly obvious and provable. It is "proven fact" that ISIS operates in Homs and I gave you a source that proves they were there before Russia was even operating in the country.

The truth really is indeed there for whoever is really interested in knowing it. I however, am not the one that is excluded.
 
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Russia's going to annihilate them. I'm suspecting they will seal off the Turkish border to block resupply (The Lebanese border is virtually sealed). Once that happens ISIS is finished unless they allow them to flee to Iraq. Reports are coming in they are already starting to flee to Iraq from Raqqa, their capital. The Russian airstrikes are brutal. Not the kind of stuff they've seen before. And then there's the Chinese who are coming. The Iranians and who knows who else.
Russia is strong indeed, but don't underestimate the Islamic State. They might be savages indeed, but they have humiliated empries all ready. You do bring up a good point though that has been on my mind; what shall the Chinese do, how shall their role increase in this terrible theater of WW3?
 
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A guy who looks like this best be your friend. I'm guessing this is Kadyrov on a good day ...
Either that, or someone just crapped in his Cheerios.
Nasty. Very Nasty!

He'll be eating Cocoa Puffs. Well, close. Coco Puff. Nasty again. Sick. :eek:
 
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Then it's still not a double-cross because they're bombing terrorists and jihadists just as they said they would.
That's an unequivocal effort to justify international terrorism by Russia. The Free Syrian Army is "terrorist and jihadist" only in the minds of Bashar Assad and his supporters. Those of the same mindset as the rebels but who are unable or unwilling to fight are fleeing to Europe for asylum, not taking up arms against anyone who is not ISIS.

The pentagon proved they Bombed Homs. No one has disputed that. Russia never denied bombing Homs and no one has disputed the location where it happened.
This statement simply proves how blind you are to reality. Russia has been completely silent on whether those photos are of Homs or not. Reality is, they wanted the world to believe they were there to attack ISIS whereas Putin has absolutely not intent to do anything of the sort. He has Russia's military in Syria to prop up Assad. He has no concern at all for ISIS's defeat or success.

Because the Pentagon proves bombs were in fact dropped on the target that Russia admitted to bombing and showed proof of via video (confirming the footage is authentic), that somehow translates to ISIS was not there?
Yes, if you live in the real world.

Its not a matter of what I want to believe, its blatantly obvious and provable.
I'm not sure you're even rational in making that statement, since it is in diametrical opposition to the state of mind it purports to describe.

It is "proven fact" that ISIS operates in Homs and I gave you a source that proves they were there before Russia was even operating in the country.
You gave me a source that shows ISIS operates in the Homs protectorate, not the city itself. The bombing was of the city of Homs. You obviously don't even know there is a difference.

The truth really is indeed there for whoever is really interested in knowing it.
Yes. It is a shame that excludes you, regardless of your ending statement in that post.
 
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That's an unequivocal effort to justify international terrorism by Russia. The Free Syrian Army is "terrorist and jihadist" only in the minds of Bashar Assad and his supporters.

This statement simply proves how blind you are to reality. Russia has been completely silent on whether those photos are of Homs or not. Reality is, they wanted the world to believe they were there to attack ISIS whereas Putin has absolutely not intent to do anything of the sort. He has Russia's military in Syria to prop up Assad. He has no concern at all for ISIS's defeat or success.

Yes, if you live in the real world.

I'm not sure you're even rational in making that statement, since it is in diametrical opposition to the state of mind it purports to describe.

You gave me a source that shows ISIS operates in the Homs protectorate, not the city itself. The bombing was of the city of Homs. You obviously don't even know there is a difference.

Yes. It is a shame that excludes you, regardless of your ending statement in that post.
Your lack of logical thinking capacity on this matter is not only obvious to me, but any objective reader who might be following the thread. I see no need to continue a foolish conversation. Good day and God Bless.
 
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Your lack of logical thinking capacity on this matter is not only obvious to me, but any objective reader who might be following the thread.
I point out the weakness of your viewpoint and the outright error of your thinking, but it is me who is not logical. I see. Thanks for the "insight." Do millions of addicts a favor: Don't every consider addictions treatment as a career.

I see no need to continue a foolish conversation.
Funny, I was thinking exactly the same thing about continuing to address your utter failure to grasp reality.

Good day and God Bless.
The same to you.
 
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Russia is strong indeed, but don't underestimate the Islamic State. They might be savages indeed, but they have humiliated empries all ready. You do bring up a good point though that has been on my mind; what shall the Chinese do, how shall their role increase in this terrible theater of WW3?
ISIS is nothing. Basically a lot of hype. They are just Al Queda with more drama. Once their supply routes are cut it will be over fast. Watching videos of them in battle you quickly realize that most of them are amateurs and a bunch of terror tourists. They love to take selfies of themselves as they get blown up yelling allah ackbar. Assad was handling them well, but now with Russian satellite intel, logistics and their firepower it is no match. Game over.
 
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That's an unequivocal effort to justify international terrorism by Russia. The Free Syrian Army is "terrorist and jihadist" only in the minds of Bashar Assad and his supporters.
Nay, they are a terrorists because they have rebelled against their government and massacred people and are aligned with islamic terrorist rebels. Only difference between them and the other jihadists is that they are weaker and supplied by the West. Do not trust the puppets of islam, that was Obama's mistake and the mistake of much of our government. There is no government or faction we can trust in the Middle East except for Israel.
 
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Nay, they are a terrorists because they have rebelled against their government and massacred people and are aligned with islamic terrorist rebels.
The first two are true, but if you condemn them for rebelling against their government, you must also condemn our founding fathers for rebelling against George III. I pray you would not do that.

The last part of the statement is incorrect. They are not aligned with anything but democracy.
 
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I'm rooting for Russia here personally. Our government no longer has the morality left in them for me to respect any of their choices. A lot of the weapons we have sent the rebels ended up directly in the hands of Isis. The U.S. As it is right now is not competent enough to do anything good in that area of the world.
Rooting for Russia...and then...Our government. Those are my feelings as well. I understand your rooting for Russia. There's a hope that Russia's actions just might jolt or wake up Obama. It's a long shot. It's like wanting the truth of Obama's stupidity to spring up and be realized now. The sooner the better.

Russia and Our government are antithetical! It's too bad and very unfortunate that people don't know world history. Nations and empires fell when they shrunk back from fear of their enemies. If Russia and other such countries seize leverage through our failure to retain the upper hand, we'll too go the way of history.



 
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The first two are true, but if you condemn them for rebelling against their government, you must also condemn our founding fathers for rebelling against George III. I pray you would not do that.
Good point. The problem in Syria, though, is the rebels are salafists who want to bring in Sharia law. Syrians who want a secular democratic state are behind Assad.
 
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Reality is, they wanted the world to believe they were there to attack ISIS whereas Putin has absolutely not intent to do anything of the sort. He has Russia's military in Syria to prop up Assad. He has no concern at all for ISIS's defeat or success.
VW, you are right. This is true. Very true indeed.
 
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ISIS is nothing. Basically a lot of hype. They are just Al Queda with more drama. Once their supply routes are cut it will be over fast. Watching videos of them in battle you quickly realize that most of them are amateurs and a bunch of terror tourists. They love to take selfies of themselves as they get blown up yelling allah ackbar. Assad was handling them well, but now with Russian satellite intel, logistics and their firepower it is no match. Game over.
I would disagree. They have prevailed over enemies that outnumbered them and had higher technology than them. Even with America, the technological superpower against them, they were not slowed down, but still gained tremendous amounts of ground and troops this year, though the media tries to downplay this. It is never good to overestimate nor underestimate your enemy. We must do our best to see them as they are. They won't last forever indeed, but for now they are the prevalent force in this theater.

It can change though and indeed it will. The theme of the war in Syria has been the dramatic twists and turns it takes.