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Omni, since it's obvious you can't even get the most important facts right, don't you think you need to reexamine some of your other "insights"?
There were 9 people plus the gunman killed. Please don't callously say something like "9 or 12 or 15, who cares people died".
We KNOW the loss of even 1 life is beyond tragic, but those people DID NOT die for nothing!!! They have an incredible testimony for Christ that may lead others to eternal life.
There were 9 people plus the gunman killed. Please don't callously say something like "9 or 12 or 15, who cares people died".
We KNOW the loss of even 1 life is beyond tragic, but those people DID NOT die for nothing!!! They have an incredible testimony for Christ that may lead others to eternal life.
Clueless? Man, you're making a high school shooting of 17 kids into a celebration of a soldier who took five bullets and nearly died. You think anybody in either his family, or any of those kids' families, are celebrating anything right now? What's to celebrate? What is there in this that you find worth holding your hands up and thanking God for? What, selfless love? All the selfless love Christoper showed in getting pumped full of lead and having life-saving surgery, while a flock of kids are lying dead, is cause for celebration? Are you mad?
He did a heroic and brave thing, but don't act for a split second like it's cause to raise your hands and shout hallelujah, because it's going to happen again, somewhere else, to some other bunch of innocent kids, unless something changes.
He did a heroic and brave thing, but don't act for a split second like it's cause to raise your hands and shout hallelujah, because it's going to happen again, somewhere else, to some other bunch of innocent kids, unless something changes.
Look so what, I got a fact wrong. Trust you to concentrate on small facts like it somehow negates a very real, emotional, anger that people all around the world currently feel. This is a disgusting incident where the lives of innocent children were lost, where children were injured and killed, and where a man almost died trying to save them. Why are you celebrating any of it?
How is a 30 year old combat veteran who charges a gunman before and after being shot a kid? All the available information I have seen on the man would indicate he is, well, a man.
I happen to agree that focusing on him at the expense of the real problem (the shooter, his acquisition of weapons, gun laws, campus security etc) is almost an action of willful ignorance.
Courage, though, is a quality to be honored and revered. Why does discussion of the issues and the man's bravery have to be at odds? But to be fair that's also a beef I have with the article.
I happen to agree that focusing on him at the expense of the real problem (the shooter, his acquisition of weapons, gun laws, campus security etc) is almost an action of willful ignorance.
Courage, though, is a quality to be honored and revered. Why does discussion of the issues and the man's bravery have to be at odds? But to be fair that's also a beef I have with the article.
The way I see it, the media are presenting this "heroic" story like the soldier is now lying in a hospital bed preparing for a press conference: "I'm so grateful that I got the opportunity to jump in front of a gun-wielding nutcase, get shot five times, and watch nine people die. Thank you so much for your support".
If I was that guy, lying in hospital after having life-saving surgery, getting "hero" plastered across my forehead, I'd be ashamed of the way the country is responding. I'd be angry. I'd be lying there thinking "stop making a celebration out of this. It is not about me. I did what I had to do, but nobody should have to do that in this country. Nobody should have to die because some maniac opened fire. Stop making it about me. It's about all these people who have lost their lives, and it's about their families, and it's about this kind of thing happening over and over, again and again and nobody doing anything about it".
If I was that guy, lying in hospital after having life-saving surgery, getting "hero" plastered across my forehead, I'd be ashamed of the way the country is responding. I'd be angry. I'd be lying there thinking "stop making a celebration out of this. It is not about me. I did what I had to do, but nobody should have to do that in this country. Nobody should have to die because some maniac opened fire. Stop making it about me. It's about all these people who have lost their lives, and it's about their families, and it's about this kind of thing happening over and over, again and again and nobody doing anything about it".
Ironically, shifting focus away from oneself in the aftermath would further confirm that person is a hero.
As for the media, I have seen hero centered articles and tragedy centered articles in equal measure. If my perception is true, then I think this is healthy. Having something good and brave to be contrasted with something evil and insane is nice. People can't be blamed for praising someone praiseworthy as long as the praise is sincere.
It can even be used as a nice point of contrast that highlights the problems.
As for the media, I have seen hero centered articles and tragedy centered articles in equal measure. If my perception is true, then I think this is healthy. Having something good and brave to be contrasted with something evil and insane is nice. People can't be blamed for praising someone praiseworthy as long as the praise is sincere.
It can even be used as a nice point of contrast that highlights the problems.
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You're truly clueless, Omni. One, he's not a kid, he's a three-time Afghan vet. Two, he isn't dead. Three, it was nine, not 15.
Your continued warping and bending of truth, some of which is directly due to your uncontrollable urge to put down Americans, our lifestyle, and our beliefs, ought to disqualify you from membership here. I'm constantly amazed to sign on here and find you still haven't been banned.
I'll do my best to make sure that is soon accomplished. Just keep doing what you're doing, and it won't be hard.
Your continued warping and bending of truth, some of which is directly due to your uncontrollable urge to put down Americans, our lifestyle, and our beliefs, ought to disqualify you from membership here. I'm constantly amazed to sign on here and find you still haven't been banned.
I'll do my best to make sure that is soon accomplished. Just keep doing what you're doing, and it won't be hard.
That I missed the particular facts wasn't deliberate, it was on part of an assumption that I jumped into the argument with. I should have read the particulars, but I was too angry to do so at the time. Regardless, the particular facts do not remove from the sentiment, and the sentiment is this: making a celebration of a tragedy is in my opinion failing to address the core issue.
As for the rest of your post, I do sometimes dislike America and its culture, people and foreign policy, intensely, for a lot of things, but there are also a lot of things I admire about it. Gun crime and the gun laws that allow it to be carried out so freely are one thing I intensely dislike about the US. However, my fierce discontentment regarding the moral implications of laxadazy gun controls is not against forum rules. Yet, for some reason, you, and many other Americans, seem to assert some level of innate affinity between Christianity and America, and try to graft that conflation of religion and culture inextricably onto this site and its philosophy. Last I checked, this site was not a Patriotic American Fan Club, therefore there is room on it not only to vocalize problems with other nations (including my own), but also with America, too.
I see many people presenting issues they find with European cultures, slating European politics, and making arguments of such nature as this against European states when talking about other moral issues. I see no reason why the same opposition can't be brought against the US in this same space.
You should also recognize that it's incorrect to assert or imply that all Americans don't agree with my sentiments on the issue of guns. In fact, many do agree with it, and those many (90% of Americans, last I checked) have been calling for years for much tougher gun controls.
As for the rest of your post, I do sometimes dislike America and its culture, people and foreign policy, intensely, for a lot of things, but there are also a lot of things I admire about it. Gun crime and the gun laws that allow it to be carried out so freely are one thing I intensely dislike about the US. However, my fierce discontentment regarding the moral implications of laxadazy gun controls is not against forum rules. Yet, for some reason, you, and many other Americans, seem to assert some level of innate affinity between Christianity and America, and try to graft that conflation of religion and culture inextricably onto this site and its philosophy. Last I checked, this site was not a Patriotic American Fan Club, therefore there is room on it not only to vocalize problems with other nations (including my own), but also with America, too.
I see many people presenting issues they find with European cultures, slating European politics, and making arguments of such nature as this against European states when talking about other moral issues. I see no reason why the same opposition can't be brought against the US in this same space.
You should also recognize that it's incorrect to assert or imply that all Americans don't agree with my sentiments on the issue of guns. In fact, many do agree with it, and those many (90% of Americans, last I checked) have been calling for years for much tougher gun controls.
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