Gov. Brown signs controversial assisted-suicide bill - LA Times
Sorry, but that is how we decide what is Law in these here parts
Sorry, but that is how we decide what is Law in these here parts
Gov. Brown signs controversial assisted-suicide bill
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We just passed an assisted suicide law in Canada, a short while ago. Well, not passed, the Supreme Court of Canada made it so.
The really bad thing about our law, is that anyone, a 20 year who is going through depression, but otherwise healthy, etc, can get a doctor to take their life.
That is what you call, already being at the bottom of that slippery slope!
The really bad thing about our law, is that anyone, a 20 year who is going through depression, but otherwise healthy, etc, can get a doctor to take their life.
That is what you call, already being at the bottom of that slippery slope!
H
making the terminally ill suffer longer then they need to is inhumane. Not just anyone can get this prescription. And the doctor doesn't physically take your life...he prescribes the drugs necessary to end your life, but it is up to u to take them. And if the doctor suspects u r depressed or otherwise incapable of making this decision objectively, then they cannot prescribe u the drugs.
Some ppl who r actually being forced to deteriorate with MS or ALS or any other one of those other numerous diseases that will eventually, and painfully, take their lives, are probably quite content knowing that this is now an option for them...and that they can die with dignity. I think it is entirely necessary.
Some ppl who r actually being forced to deteriorate with MS or ALS or any other one of those other numerous diseases that will eventually, and painfully, take their lives, are probably quite content knowing that this is now an option for them...and that they can die with dignity. I think it is entirely necessary.
Here are 30 reasons from the other side which seem to dwarf your one or two...
30 Logical Reasons Against Assisted Suicide
30 Logical Reasons Against Assisted Suicide
H
I'm sorry...I couldn't finish reading all of the (mostly) stupid reasons why assisted suicide should not be legal.
A person with a terminal illness who doesn't want to suffer any longer is selfish now? Come on...
Besides...our hope isn't in a misdiagnosis or a miracle cure or being able to live longer.
And I would be really interested to see how many "Christians" who are anti assisted suicide are for capital punishment.
A person with a terminal illness who doesn't want to suffer any longer is selfish now? Come on...
Besides...our hope isn't in a misdiagnosis or a miracle cure or being able to live longer.
And I would be really interested to see how many "Christians" who are anti assisted suicide are for capital punishment.
Assisted Suicide in Holland is Out of Control:
Dutch euthanasia patients trebles in a year as doctors say it is 'out of control' | Daily Mail Online
A few excerpts from the article:
Dr Peter Saunders of the Christian Medical Fellowship said the Dutch experiment proved that doctor-assisted death was impossible to effectively regulate.
‘What we are seeing in the Netherlands is “incremental extension”, the steady intentional escalation of numbers with a gradual widening of the categories of patients to be included.’
He said there was a similar pattern of increasing numbers of assisted suicide and euthanasia in the US state of Oregon, Switzerland, and Belgium.
Dr Saunders said: ‘The lessons are clear. Once you relax the law on euthanasia or assisted suicide steady extension will follow as night follows day.’
Dutch euthanasia patients trebles in a year as doctors say it is 'out of control' | Daily Mail Online
A few excerpts from the article:
Dr Peter Saunders of the Christian Medical Fellowship said the Dutch experiment proved that doctor-assisted death was impossible to effectively regulate.
‘What we are seeing in the Netherlands is “incremental extension”, the steady intentional escalation of numbers with a gradual widening of the categories of patients to be included.’
He said there was a similar pattern of increasing numbers of assisted suicide and euthanasia in the US state of Oregon, Switzerland, and Belgium.
Dr Saunders said: ‘The lessons are clear. Once you relax the law on euthanasia or assisted suicide steady extension will follow as night follows day.’
So how much pain and suffering do you have in your life? I have severe Rheumatoid Arthritis, which has had me bed ridden and in agonizing pain the last 10 months, as the meds kept failiing. There honestly were times I asked God to take me, the pain was so debilitating.
But God did not take me. Any more than he took me 15 years ago when I was in this same state. Instead, he used it for my good, and helped me grow in character, maturity and closer to him. How sad if assisted suicide had been available back 15 years ago, when the pain was so agonizing, and I didn't know there could be hope. Even now, when I know that my latest med combo seems to be working, I know it could stop working any day, because my RA is so severe. But God keeps me strong.
It is just so sad, that after all the work that has been done to stop people from committing suicide, we now have a law that hands people the drugs to die! ANYONE! Not just the terminally ill. That is our new law.
As for MS, I have a cousin and a sister with it. They are both incredibly active people. My sister gardens 3 acres and plays tennis daily. My cousin swims and is active in community and in various causes. Should they have had the right to kill themselves back in the early days when they didn't know if they had continuous or relapse and remit? And yes, they are both in pain all the time. But they have chosen to live their lives to the fullest!
I worked in long term care as a chaplain. One woman in particular stands out to me. She had continuous MS and was steadily going downhill. She had reached a point where she had to get a head controlled electric wheelchair, because she couldn't move her hand enough to control the wheelchair. She had to have the mouse on her computer right under her hand, or she could not control it. We talked a lot. She said she was continuing to live, and to defy her disease. She went to rock concerts, out shopping regularly, and did a lot of on-line work. She was one of the most positive people I have ever met. Should she have been allowed to kill herself when she was first diagnosed, or when it became apparent how ill she was? She would say NEVER!
As far as ALS, one of the students in the Seminary I attended got a diagnosis a few years after he graduated and was doing ministry. He went downhill quite rapidly. He became bed-bound, and had many caregivers. So what did he do from his death bed? He led all his caregivers to Christ! Imagine if he had been allowed to kill himself earlier.
I watched a movie on Kevorkian last year. Dr Death, he was called. Turns out a lot of the people were sick, but not terminally. They just suffered from depression and it was never treated properly.
Suicide is almost always about depression. It means the brain is not able to cope. It is almost never about the state of the body. God gave us these bodies, broken as they are, to live for him. It is never necessary to die. If you knew anything about palliative care, you would not say this. If you had ever ministered to a person who is actively dying, you would not say this. Even the dying have much to offer us, let alone those who have illnesses.
Again, the law in Canada makes no mention concerning the terminally ill. It makes me ashamed to be a Canadian.
H
These people have awesome testimonies, as do u. I understand that some ppl are able to endure and find peace, strength, and meaning in doing so. But that rule doesn't apply to everyone and I believe it is cruel to force everyone to fit into that mold. Dr Death is an exception and not the rule to doctors helping with assisted suicide, and I wonder how much of the horror stories of assisted suicide are fabricated.
you made a comment that if I knew anything about palliative care my stance would be different. I have been a hospice nurse for the past three yrs, worked in a hospital palliative care unit a yr prior to that, and spent two yrs working in the hospital cancer unit before that. I am very familiar with the dying process and the effect that it has on loved ones and the individuals actually going through it. I am not saying everyone should or will choose this new option, but I think it is entirely unjust to deny them that choice. I do not believe that someone who chooses this route is going to hell. I believe that God knows the heart and I believe that it is that persons life and should be their choice.
It might be beneficial to read up or watch some interviews with people who have personal convictions as to why assisted suicide is necessary. Most of it does not stem from a selfish attitude, but from a place of compassion and caring and personal experience.
you made a comment that if I knew anything about palliative care my stance would be different. I have been a hospice nurse for the past three yrs, worked in a hospital palliative care unit a yr prior to that, and spent two yrs working in the hospital cancer unit before that. I am very familiar with the dying process and the effect that it has on loved ones and the individuals actually going through it. I am not saying everyone should or will choose this new option, but I think it is entirely unjust to deny them that choice. I do not believe that someone who chooses this route is going to hell. I believe that God knows the heart and I believe that it is that persons life and should be their choice.
It might be beneficial to read up or watch some interviews with people who have personal convictions as to why assisted suicide is necessary. Most of it does not stem from a selfish attitude, but from a place of compassion and caring and personal experience.