11 Year old boy held for shooting 8 year old neighbour.

[Agricola]

An 11-year-old boy in the US state of Tennessee has been held on suspicion of shooting dead an eight-year-old girl in a row over a puppy.
US boy, 11, held for shooting dead eight-year-old neighbour - BBC News


The boy has been charged with first-degree murder as a juvenile.

According to police, he shot neighbour McKayla Dyer on Saturday evening after she refused to let him see her puppy.
Her mother Latasha said that the two children went to the same school in White Pine, about 200 miles (315km) east of Nashville.


She said the family had had trouble with the boy when they first moved to the area.
"He was making fun of her, calling her names, just being mean to her. I had to go to the principal about him and he quit for a while and then all of a sudden yesterday he shot her," Ms Dyer told WATE-TV.
"She was a precious little girl. She was mommy's girl. No matter how bad of a mood you were in, she could always make you smile."


"I want her back in my arms," she said.
The Gun Violence Archive, a not-for-profit organisation that compiles data on gun violence in the US, says 559 children aged 11 or under have been killed or injured in the United States in gun violence so far this year.

 

[blue_ladybug]

How in the world does an 11-year-old child get his hands on a handgun??!!! smh

 

[jennymae]

This is as horrible as it gets. I was crying when I heard it....good Lord in Heaven, please give them some relief.

 

[PeterJens]

So sad. I know the frustration kids have at that age, but to not force people to lock guns away and keep them safe leads to so many problems.

 

[JustAnotherUser]

Irresponsible parents who did not supervise and/or lock the gun so that the kid would not obtain it. It could have been well prevented if they did. It amazes me as to how much people will go straight to blaming the gun rather than the person(s) who obtain them for the greater or worst of things.

As for the eleven year old boy, it's clear that he is unstable and any possible illness or environmental situations he could have to contribute his behavior. No stable kid (or person) would go straight for a device that can severely hurt if not kill someone unless they know to what extent their intentions would do, which makes them a criminal.

 

[Omni]

Irresponsible parents who did not supervise and/or lock the gun so that the kid would not obtain it. It could have been well prevented if they did. It amazes me as to how much people will go straight to blaming the gun rather than the person(s) who obtain them for the greater or worst of things.

As for the eleven year old boy, it's clear that he is unstable and any possible illness or environmental situations he could have to contribute his behavior. No stable kid (or person) would go straight for a device that can severely hurt if not kill someone unless they know to what extent their intentions would do, which makes them a criminal.

Your final statement is contradictory. Criminal culpability is negated if there is insufficient mental faculty.

The facts are that this or something similar to it has happened nearly 600 times this year. Then there are the 40-odd mass shootings. I calculated the statistics:

The USA has 5.5 times as many murders and non-negligent manslaughters per population sample as the United Kingdom. Almost 3 out of those 5 are murders by firearm. This means that the USA has nearly 3 times as many firearm homicides per 100,000 people, than the UK has total murders per the same number. Here I have some more statistics which are proportional to population, meaning that I have accounted mathematically for the differences in population by a fairly simple calculation, resulting in crime rates per 100,000 people, for both the USA and UK.

The USA has roughly the same number of knife crimes and robberies as the UK per 100,000 people (both are marginally more likely in the UK by an order of 1.1 and 1.17), while rape is slightly more likely in the USA by an order of 1.2 (not counting prison rape statistics, which is not common in the UK, but which is quite common in the US). GTA is 1.5 times more likely in the US, while you are 7 times as likely in the USA to be a victim of a violent crime which results in some form of physical injury (last year in the UK just over 50% of "violent crimes" resulted in no injuries to the victims, and this is because while the US legal code defines violent crime as "murder, non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, mugging and aggravated assault" the UK's definition is far broader, to include "minor assaults such as pushing, shoving, which result in no physical harm, as well as physical sexual harassment, through to serious incidents of rape, wounding and murder"). Perhaps the most troubling statistic: in the US, you are 35 times more likely to be shot dead. And no, these numbers do not take into account what Americans term "justifiable homicides". All of these were murders.

If you want the statistics for a few years ago (2011), here they are, along with a lengthy methodology statement, full sources, citations and footnotes, and a frankly iron-clad conclusion:

https://dispellingthemythukvsusguns.wordpress.com/

The USA is much more violent than the UK, and guns are by far the most common weapon used.

 

[Billyd]

I grew up in a household with gun racks and guns over every door. Doors were never locked, nor were the guns. This was the typical household in my area. I began hunting with my father before I started school at age 5. Things were different then. We were taught respect for each other and for any gun it the house. I live in the same community today. All guns are kept locked in a safe, or in a digital lock box by my bedside. Not because of my children, or grandchildren, but because I have no idea of what their friends have been taught.

IMHO, the problems that we have with guns stems from the failure to teach our children respect for others and the lack of respect for guns taught by the entertainment industry. From what I have witnessed in my small local community, at least half the families that I know should not be let within 100 yards of any type of weapon.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Did the boy's parents have this gun in their house? If so, why wasn't it locked up? And if this kid DID get the gun from home, then the parents are entirely to blame for this needless, senseless tragedy. What the heck is wrong with parents not locking their weapons up so curious youngsters can't access them??!!!!

 

[JustAnotherUser]

Your final statement is contradictory. Criminal culpability is negated if there is insufficient mental faculty.

The facts are that this or something similar to it has happened nearly 600 times this year. Then there are the 40-odd mass shootings. I calculated the statistics:

The USA has 5.5 times as many murders and non-negligent manslaughters per population sample as the United Kingdom. Almost 3 out of those 5 are murders by firearm. This means that the USA has nearly 3 times as many firearm homicides per 100,000 people, than the UK has total murders per the same number. Here I have some more statistics which are proportional to population, meaning that I have accounted mathematically for the differences in population by a fairly simple calculation, resulting in crime rates per 100,000 people, for both the USA and UK.

The USA has roughly the same number of knife crimes and robberies as the UK per 100,000 people (both are marginally more likely in the UK by an order of 1.1 and 1.17), while rape is slightly more likely in the USA by an order of 1.2 (not counting prison rape statistics, which is not common in the UK, but which is quite common in the US). GTA is 1.5 times more likely in the US, while you are 7 times as likely in the USA to be a victim of a violent crime which results in some form of physical injury (last year in the UK just over 50% of "violent crimes" resulted in no injuries to the victims, and this is because while the US legal code defines violent crime as "murder, non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, mugging and aggravated assault" the UK's definition is far broader, to include "minor assaults such as pushing, shoving, which result in no physical harm, as well as physical sexual harassment, through to serious incidents of rape, wounding and murder"). Perhaps the most troubling statistic: in the US, you are 35 times more likely to be shot dead. And no, these numbers do not take into account what Americans term "justifiable homicides". All of these were murders.

If you want the statistics for a few years ago (2011), here they are, along with a lengthy methodology statement, full sources, citations and footnotes, and a frankly iron-clad conclusion:

https://dispellingthemythukvsusguns.wordpress.com/

The USA is much more violent than the UK, and guns are by far the most common weapon used.

And where are these said mass shootings taking place? Gun free zones. 'Gun violence' are prone in these areas because the criminal knows that they can take more lives before they either shot themselves dead or someone else shoots them.

Australia and the UK still have mass shootings taking place despite gun restrictions. The only statistic that has went down since Australia's ban in 1996-1997 significantly were gun suicides. The crime rate has still remained the same, even if it's a slight less percentage.

America has had less homicides since 1993. It went down roughly 45 - 49% as compared to decades before. Most gun violence that is held are often with those who know their victims (gang related, family/acquaintance, etc.) I know that my chances of being randomly shot by someone I don't know is not '35 more likely' more or less than anyone who joined a gang or being murdered by someone I know with a gun (which I know none.)

I'd ask where you got these statistics, but it looks like you're banned from the site. Try googling homicide rates from 1990s-2000s and you will see that they have not increased.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

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[NikkiK]

This is so so sad.

 

[Agricola]

Australia and the UK still have mass shootings taking place despite gun restrictions.

Actually mass shootings in UK are extremely rare. There has only been 3 incidents in UK where someone just went around shooting random people. The last was in 2010 Cumbria where 12 people were killed, prior to that we had Hungerford and Dunblane, which saw extreme gun laws introduced.

There have been other incidents where 2 or more people have been killed, but those are gang related deaths.

Statistics are complied by the Office of National Statistics. In UK only Office for National Statistics (ONS) - ONS

Since 2010 there have been less than 600 murders each year in UK and less than 10% of those were by a firearm.

 

[Utah]

I have no problem seeing that punk serve 40 years minimum.

 

[jennymae]

I grew up in a household with gun racks and guns over every door. Doors were never locked, nor were the guns. This was the typical household in my area. I began hunting with my father before I started school at age 5. Things were different then. We were taught respect for each other and for any gun it the house. I live in the same community today. All guns are kept locked in a safe, or in a digital lock box by my bedside. Not because of my children, or grandchildren, but because I have no idea of what their friends have been taught.

IMHO, the problems that we have with guns stems from the failure to teach our children respect for others and the lack of respect for guns taught by the entertainment industry. From what I have witnessed in my small local community, at least half the families that I know should not be let within 100 yards of any type of weapon.

True, Billyd. I can remember my dad had a lot of guns. Everybody had. That was the way it was supposed to be. Nothing has changed in that part of the country.

 

[jennymae]

Actually mass shootings in UK are extremely rare. There has only been 3 incidents in UK where someone just went around shooting random people. The last was in 2010 Cumbria where 12 people were killed, prior to that we had Hungerford and Dunblane, which saw extreme gun laws introduced.

There have been other incidents where 2 or more people have been killed, but those are gang related deaths.

Statistics are complied by the Office of National Statistics. In UK only Office for National Statistics (ONS) - ONS

Since 2010 there have been less than 600 murders each year in UK and less than 10% of those were by a firearm.

This is interesting. I'm currently living in Norway, and back in 2011, there was a mass shooting here, a murderer killed 69 people by shooting them, and killed another 8 by blowing off a bomb downtown Oslo. Nobody was calling for stricter gun control, and the gun laws remained liberal.

 

[Billyd]

True, Billyd. I can remember my dad had a lot of guns. Everybody had. That was the way it was supposed to be. Nothing has changed in that part of the country.

One thing has changed. Most of us now lock our guns in a safe. We still teach our children respect, and still spend a lot of time at the homemade range and in the woods. As with most other areas, we have seen an influx of people who have little respect for themselves or the property of others.

 

[Angela53510]

And where are these said mass shootings taking place? Gun free zones. 'Gun violence' are prone in these areas because the criminal knows that they can take more lives before they either shot themselves dead or someone else shoots them.

Australia and the UK still have mass shootings taking place despite gun restrictions. The only statistic that has went down since Australia's ban in 1996-1997 significantly were gun suicides. The crime rate has still remained the same, even if it's a slight less percentage.

America has had less homicides since 1993. It went down roughly 45 - 49% as compared to decades before. Most gun violence that is held are often with those who know their victims (gang related, family/acquaintance, etc.) I know that my chances of being randomly shot by someone I don't know is not '35 more likely' more or less than anyone who joined a gang or being murdered by someone I know with a gun (which I know none.)

I'd ask where you got these statistics, but it looks like you're banned from the site. Try googling homicide rates from 1990s-2000s and you will see that they have not increased.

This is not true about Australia. In fact, there has been a meme going around that is total lies about the gun deaths in Australia. I posted this, and a friend who is Australia, said this is the truth, and that people have outright fabricated the data that banning guns has not had a a profound effect on the country, including suicides.

"What they found is a decline in both suicide and homicide rates after the NFA. The average firearm suicide rate in Australia in the seven years after the bill declined by 57 percent compared with the seven years prior. The average firearm homicide rate went down by about 42 percent."

Australia confiscated 650,000 guns. Murders and suicides plummeted. - Vox

I'm seeing so many posts on FB about the truth about terrorism, gun use and deaths in the US. Here is one. There are many others

[video]https://www.facebook.com/GOODHQ/videos/10153156440363059/[/video]

Americans need to wake up and change the way they view guns. I don't think anyone objects to guns used for hunting, or to protect a rancher or farmer's stock. But guns which are solely for the use of killing people are going to end up killing people. As the American statistics bear out!

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

This is not true about Australia.

The statistics say what the statistics say. These are the facts, regardless of what your friend in Australia says.

Because of the changes made to the gun control laws in 1997, gun owners in Australia were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed, a program costing the government more than $500 million dollars. And now the results are in. Twelve months after the of banning firearms:

• Australia-wide, homicides were up 3.2 percent
• Australia-wide, assaults were up 8.6 percent
• Australia-wide, armed robberies were up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent).
• "Hot" burglaries (where the intruder comes in while you are home and knows that you are home) were up 300%.

In addition, in the state of Victoria, homicides with firearms were up 300 percent. Though homicide figures have improved in Victoria, the other numbers remain about as high as they were a year after the ban. You can dispute that all you want, the facts will remain the facts.