Assault at Spring Valley High

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Abing

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Are you guys watching this on cnn live?

[video=youtube;ggVMqzhkfCk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggVMqzhkfCk[/video]

That's a school officer dragging a (female) student out of class because she repeatedly refused to leave and go to the disciplinary office or something to that sort.

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Would probably be in jail myself right now...would not have been able to just sit there and watch that.
 

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maybe she should have listened instead of being a brat about it. This is what happens and is deserved when someone repeatedly refuses to acknowledge reasonable requests from authority. no pity whatsoever. Plus its convenient her original actions leading up to this aren't shown. more media lies and spin.
 
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Maybe I'm just blind, but it looked to me like she was trying to make a scene and flipped the chair and table herself (she was the one thrashing around like a fish on the jetty). Then, when she refused to get out of her chair, he dragged her out of it. The student doesn't look innocent to me. And I'm all for calling out police etc. brutality, but I don't think that's the case here. I think the officer was in the right. Besides, like Nautilus mentioned, the footage is shown without context.
 
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maybe she should have listened instead of being a brat about it. This is what happens and is deserved when someone repeatedly refuses to acknowledge reasonable requests from authority. no pity whatsoever. Plus its convenient her original actions leading up to this aren't shown. more media lies and spin.
Wow. So, a grown man (whether police or not) has the right to assault any person in that manner? Her original actions leading up to this maybe were not shown, but his were. She was not resisting arrest...she was refusing disciplinary action according to the eyewitness account. Would you feel the same way had this been your child?
 

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my child would never act like that. I would have raised it right and not to be an insolent brat.
 
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my child would never act like that. I would have raised it right and not to be an insolent brat.
Maybe she was an insolent brat...it still did not give the officer the right to manhandle her the way he did. She did not seem to be a threat to the officer...his arms were bigger than her head.
 
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Not condoning the brat's actions, but could've been handled in a less-harsh way. I mean, brutality only made matters worse (now). And of course the rest of the world now hates the officer.
 
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Legally it seems to be excessive force; morally, all she had to do was comply and it wouldn't have went down like that. A tree is known by its fruit; hopefully she grows up.
 
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Not condoning the brat's actions, but could've been handled in a less-harsh way. I mean, brutality only made matters worse (now). And of course the rest of the world now hates the officer.
Perhaps it's best not to speak on behalf of the rest of the world. I fully support the officer. I think I understand what was going on. What the video did not show was the officer advising the young woman that he was giving her a lawful command, not a suggestion. By not obeying the command to get up and walk with him to the office, she was violating the law and was under arrest. He then asked he to stand and place her hands either behind her back or on the wall, so he could check her for weapons before he handcuffed her. She refused to comply. At that point, he used as much force as was needed to affect the arrest.

Yes, he was larger than her and stronger than her. Part of his job is not to get injured while making an arrest. If you are gentle with someone, they can rake their fingernails across your face, kick you in the groin, bite you.

What this school needs is a class to teach students to respect the law enforcement officers they will cross paths with in life, not challenge them and make them use force. I have a friend who was driving drunk when a police officer tried to pull him over. He didn't understand the law and kept driving into a residential area near his families home. He purposely pulled into a private driveway, thinking the police could no longer follow him. He followed that stupid move with another. He tossed his car keys out his window, thinking that somehow might save him. Nope. He was arrested for drunk driving. At least he didn't refuse to take the breath test. That results in a separate charge. By having a drivers license, you are agreeing to take a breath test if asked to do so by law enforcement.

I think the school should make an example of the young student and expel her. Let her family find a new school to take her in. She appears to be on a fast track to a career in the fast food industry.
 

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We have lost the vital notions of honor and respect that bring peace among people.

That is our fundamental problem.
 

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It was not that long ago the teacher would have been able to drag her out the chair and bend her over and give her a good thrashing with a strap or cane, then when she went home dare not complain or tell parents about it, as the parents would give her another thrashing.



Removal of corporal punishment from schools has led to anarchy and generations of kids growing up not being taught about true discipline and respect of authority. Result of all this is what you see in this video and the all the liberals throwing arms up in air shouting about moral outrage and how bad and evil police etc are for touching someone .SO how was this to be played out? she sat there till home time?
 

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This child's parents will have a good lawsuit
 
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Wow. So, a grown man (whether police or not) has the right to assault any person in that manner? Her original actions leading up to this maybe were not shown, but his were. She was not resisting arrest...she was refusing disciplinary action according to the eyewitness account. Would you feel the same way had this been your child?
Yes, he has the right. He is a uniform police officer giving lawful commands that she is required to submit to. You use the word assault. It was not an assault. You stated her actions "maybe were not shown". No, they were not shown. No maybe. She was resisting arrest according to the law. When she failed to comply with the police command and refused to stand and place her hands behind her back, she was resisting arrest. I would feel this way if it was my child.


People are critical of the police because they lack perspective. A short video does not convey enough information for people to make accurate conclusions of the situation. Perhaps this young student verbally threatened the school staff. Perhaps she has been involved in previous assaults on other students and was told the next violation would end in expulsion. Perhaps she had a gun in her purse and refused to let the officer search her or the bag for weapons. Perhaps the young woman was herself a victim of abuse at home and is a ticking bomb. Schools have rules. Many students, especially in inner city schools, abuse those rules and make schools dangerous places for others.


I read a list of the ten biggest complaints teachers had 50 years ago. They included such things as students cutting in lines, students talking too loud, students running in hallways, students being tardy. Today, when asked for a list of concerns, teachers say things like students who threaten other students or threaten teachers, students who sexually assault other students, students who pull weapons out in school, students who fight. It's a different world today. Schools, even elementary schools, hire off duty police officers to intervene in situations with violent potential. There is a good reason families remove their children from schools with unruly and violent students and place then into private schools. This young woman should be expelled immediately. She would then become the problem of another dysfunctional school or she would learn a lesson all high school dropouts learn about life.
 
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Perhaps it's best not to speak on behalf of the rest of the world. I fully support the officer. I think I understand what was going on. What the video did not show was the officer advising the young woman that he was giving her a lawful command, not a suggestion. By not obeying the command to get up and walk with him to the office, she was violating the law and was under arrest. He then asked he to stand and place her hands either behind her back or on the wall, so he could check her for weapons before he handcuffed her. She refused to comply. At that point, he used as much force as was needed to affect the arrest.

Yes, he was larger than her and stronger than her. Part of his job is not to get injured while making an arrest. If you are gentle with someone, they can rake their fingernails across your face, kick you in the groin, bite you.

What this school needs is a class to teach students to respect the law enforcement officers they will cross paths with in life, not challenge them and make them use force. I have a friend who was driving drunk when a police officer tried to pull him over. He didn't understand the law and kept driving into a residential area near his families home. He purposely pulled into a private driveway, thinking the police could no longer follow him. He followed that stupid move with another. He tossed his car keys out his window, thinking that somehow might save him. Nope. He was arrested for drunk driving. At least he didn't refuse to take the breath test. That results in a separate charge. By having a drivers license, you are agreeing to take a breath test if asked to do so by law enforcement.

I think the school should make an example of the young student and expel her. Let her family find a new school to take her in. She appears to be on a fast track to a career in the fast food industry.
Fast food industry. ;)

I like everything you've shared but for the red lettering. It was excessive.
 
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Dumb - soooooooooooooooooooooo dumb.

As a parent you know people can try and escalate a situation by in effect a sit in.
They are just a young adult, who is not functioning well. If they refuse to move etc. you ramp up the punishment, leave the officer besides them, until they decide to move. Every delay increases the level of problem, which will finally end in exclusion from school.

The problem every parent knows if you escalate beyond the situation, they just sit there and laugh at you.

And so this has now turned out.
 
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If this would had been an Anglo Saxon(white student) do think the officer would done this. Would everyone responses be the same. WOW!! What if a African American(black) cop would had done same to a white student! Would your responses be the same or double standard?
 
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Fast food industry. ;)

I like everything you've shared but for the red lettering. It was excessive.
Fair enough. As a former correctional officer for youthful offenders and a former police officer who worked the graveyard shift in the ghetto, I've experienced many unpleasant things. Seen people do some awful things to their neighbors, even family members.

This particular officer has been through a lot at this school. The racial breakdown is predominantly black. This officer has confronted gang members and was sued by the gang members parents who refuse to accept the path their child was choosing to go down. The officer had to defend himself from a civil rights suit. He won the suit, but those experiences leave scars. The school gave him a culture of excellence award, knowing he was that thin blue line preventing gangsters from creating a violent atmosphere for all the student body. Now the usual African American activist groups are circling their wagons. They are already claiming that black students have been dealing with oppressive whites for years. They want all law enforcement off their campuses. If they get their wishes, the school will decline, white families will take their children out and put them in mostly white private schools. We've seen this repeated all over the country. It never ends well for minority students wanting a quality education.

Video of South Carolina officer flipping, dragging black student sparks outrage | Toronto Star

In regard to the take down you felt was excessive, I want to say that many, if not most police officers have experienced an arrest where they were unable to quickly subdue a suspect and the situation got out of control because people nearby got involved and jumped the officer. The show of force has to be swift and it has to be decisive. There was no back-up. Had one or two other students decided to get involved, the officer would have had to flee or protect his service weapon from being taken, and also been forced to escalate in order to avoid becoming a victim. These are mitigating circumstances. You won't be hearing that in the coming days. You will hear charges of racism and statements saying the woman was behaving herself and complying with school staff.
 

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If this would had been an Anglo Saxon(white student) do think the officer would done this. Would everyone responses be the same. WOW!! What if a African American(black) cop would had done same to a white student! Would your responses be the same or double standard?
Yep lets go ahead and bring in race. clearly this only happened because she was black. Im so sick and tired of you dirty racebaiters in the modern world. Shut up and go crawl in a hole somewhere. I'd be just as supportive as a cop doing this to a white student. Disrespect is disrespect I dont care what color they are.
 
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If this would had been an Anglo Saxon(white student) do think the officer would done this. Would everyone responses be the same. WOW!! What if a African American(black) cop would had done same to a white student! Would your responses be the same or double standard?
It would be a double standard. Of course no one here would admit that, they are too focused on criminalizing the victims of this brutality rather than admitting that there are some bad police men out there. Thing is your rarely going to find white people being abused by the police in the news because the police can't get away with abusing their authority towards most white people. Your not going to hear much about a white boy getting shot and the police getting off because it is the system of white supremacy in America that protects officers when they kill minorities, but that same system won't protect the police from killing other white people.

You can call it privilege or whatever you want. I wouldn't even have asked that question here, because most people here in this particular forum that post here really want to uphold the system of white supremacy in America rather than fight against it. If you get a basic understanding of white supremacist thinking and tactics they use in their daily lives and in the news you'll understand how manipulative some of the posters here can be, just to uphold white supremacy on a small scale level.

It's a shame that we even have a big racism problem within the church, which has kind of disenchanted me with the church as a whole, but my faith in God is not shaken but I have met one person who has left the faith when he became aware of the mass hypocricy in the church, on a big level. Me I understand that you can't put that much faith in people you have to put your fatih in God. Because when your getting saved your not getting saved by the Church your getting saved by a perfect God. A God of justice that despises when authority figures abuse their authority and oppress others.
I think some people get saved for the wrong reasons. They feel like they will make new friends and be apart of a new family. Which is all good, but that shouldn't be the basis of your salvation. The reason for your salvation should be a real God that sent his son to die for your sins.