Donald Trump Says He'd Force U.S. Military to Commit War Crimes

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KimPetras

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Source: Donald Trump says he'd force U.S. military to commit war crimes - Washington Times

Mr. Trump has suggested that he’d order the U.S. military to kill families of Muslim terrorists and institute interrogation techniques worse than waterboarding, itself widely condemned as torture. Torture and retaliatory executions are both war crimes under international law.

In a recent interview, former National Security Agency and CIA director Michael Hayden said that the U.S. military might refuse such orders, which would constitute war crimes. The U.S. military has been trained for a decades that an order to commit a war crime is not an legal order and thus must not be obeyed.

“They won’t refuse. They’re not going to refuse me,” he said. “If I say do it, they’re going to do it.”
The US had a Secretary of State that didn't care/lied about the lives in Benghazi and now they have a Republican front-runner who would force the military to do the polar opposite.

For the Trump supporters: Does this not alarm you that he'd be ordering the same type of torture that the Japanese did to American soldiers, and consequentially, were executed for after WWII? Read up on the Tokyo Trials (war crimes).
 
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You know they've been waterboarding prisoners for years, probably still doing it too. The same people acting all indignant at Trump over waterboarding have defended its practice in the very recent past and even glorified it by putting it in the movie Zero Dark Thirty to make it seem more legitimate or culturally acceptable.

Personally I am against torture, I think just keep them in prison or execute them. I see them doing torture as simply playing with people, it's sadistic.

I actually agree with you here on this point Kim, but unfortunately every candidate will probably continue worthless and barbaric practice of waterboarding at Gitmo. Both Bush and Obama claimed to have banned waterboarding, but then obviously that's not true if they are also claiming waterboarding provided them intelligence in the hunt for Bin Laden. It's kind of a controversy for sure over here. I remember getting in a debate here on CC about it a few years ago, and I was in the minority opinion. I'll see if I can dig that topic up.
 
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Christopher Hitchens agrees to be waterboarded to see the effects of torture. He didn't last more than 10 seconds...

[video=youtube;4LPubUCJv58]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LPubUCJv58[/video]
 
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Source: Donald Trump says he'd force U.S. military to commit war crimes - Washington Times



The US had a Secretary of State that didn't care/lied about the lives in Benghazi and now they have a Republican front-runner who would force the military to do the polar opposite.

For the Trump supporters: Does this not alarm you that he'd be ordering the same type of torture that the Japanese did to American soldiers, and consequentially, were executed for after WWII? Read up on the Tokyo Trials (war crimes).
While it's wrong for Trump to say that, lets be honest here...they have been torturing prisoners for decades...not just because of the war on terror but even previous to that....ritual torture is what satanists who run the planet do....it elicits them favor with the dark ones (demons). Guantanomo bay has nothing to do with terrorism but with satanic ritual torture. Most will scoff at this but the source of all terrorism is governments to control the people...do the research it's freely out there but most will still not believe....

Here is an example....
There are many other websites out there as well....

Bush, Obama, Rumsfeld Mind Control, Satanic Ritual Abuse Accounts Will Make You Sick To Your Stomach | War on Terror
 
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Here we go. I don't recommend bumping it, but if you're interested in views of CC prior to when you joined and want a little extra reading about waterboarding/US torture here's the thread. I suppose maybe I wasn't in the minority opinion, reading over this seems fairly evenly divided with of course the random posts not even about the topic.

http://christianchat.com/christian-...port-paints-picture-agency-out-control-8.html
 
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Here we go. I don't recommend bumping it, but if you're interested in views of CC prior to when you joined and want a little extra reading about waterboarding/US torture here's the thread. I suppose maybe I wasn't in the minority opinion, reading over this seems fairly evenly divided with of course the random posts not even about the topic.

http://christianchat.com/christian-...port-paints-picture-agency-out-control-8.html
I'll take a look, sadly it seems most people are for it...but they are entitled to their opinions...personally I think it doesn't serve a purpose, for instance if they were so against terrorism why is isis funded by america? (makes my point about govt terrorism) But to stay on topic....it's just a bunch of satanic people in charge of difft countries in the world who don't give a crap about the people they rule over or others and like to abuse their power in any way possible...

I think they are making a big deal out of Trump, when both Bush and Obama allowed the military to commit war crimes (like recently bombing a red cross hospital in afghanistan that they knew was not a terror threat yet still bombed it anyway to create a media distraction)....just because he is gaining steam in the race the media wants to smear him, but the other candidates including that human turd hillary have gladly bombed/killed/tortured others for her own agenda...the world is run by psycho and sociopaths...
 
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I'll take a look, sadly it seems most people are for it...but they are entitled to their opinions...personally I think it doesn't serve a purpose, for instance if they were so against terrorism why is isis funded by america? (makes my point about govt terrorism) But to stay on topic....it's just a bunch of satanic people in charge of difft countries in the world who don't give a crap about the people they rule over or others and like to abuse their power in any way possible...

I think they are making a big deal out of Trump, when both Bush and Obama allowed the military to commit war crimes (like recently bombing a red cross hospital in afghanistan that they knew was not a terror threat yet still bombed it anyway to create a media distraction)....just because he is gaining steam in the race the media wants to smear him, but the other candidates including that human turd hillary have gladly bombed/killed/tortured others for her own agenda...the world is run by psycho and sociopaths...
I agree to most of this. Just to note though I don't think America funds the Islamic State. From my understanding of it most of the Islamic State's revenue comes from smuggling oil to Turkey and it is somewhat known or speculated that the Turkish government or forces surrounding it are involved in this. I think you may be confused with the various Islamic rebel factions in Syria which indeed America has been funding and arming. I understand how they are basically the same though.

As for Trump they're just trying to hit him anyway they can. If you saw tonight's debate that was pretty obvious (I will post the debate probably tomorrow in GOP nomination topic). It was actually a pretty bad night for Trump, he really did poorly. My servant Kasich did well though.
 
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I agree to most of this. Just to note though I don't think America funds the Islamic State. From my understanding of it most of the Islamic State's revenue comes from smuggling oil to Turkey and it is somewhat known or speculated that the Turkish government or forces surrounding it are involved in this. I think you may be confused with the various Islamic rebel factions in Syria which indeed America has been funding and arming. I understand how they are basically the same though.

As for Trump they're just trying to hit him anyway they can. If you saw tonight's debate that was pretty obvious (I will post the debate probably tomorrow in GOP nomination topic). It was actually a pretty bad night for Trump, he really did poorly. My servant Kasich did well though.


With all due respect, don't take what the media tells you as truth it mostly isn't...I encourage you to research on the internet....
How can isis have a twitter account yet the CIA can track down every other criminal but not isis hmm....with all that superior technology...i call bs on that....
how did isis get all those american made tanks, hum-v's, rpg's etc?

The turkish govt was instructed by nato (turkey is a nato member and called nato to ask about shooting down ...it's fact look it up)and the us to shoot down the russian plane to provoke russia into a war...
As for the oil for turkey, for a year of bombing campaigns from the us designed to weaken isis....they only got stronger and didn't target the isis oil convoys, yet when russia did the job in 3 weeks targeting the convoys, they spin the propaganda to say russia is killing civilians...complete bs....

10 Signs That ISIS is a Scripted Psyop

not to mention isis is the name for a babylonian goddess that is also important to freemasons....

destabilizing the mid-east helps the us petro dollar as other countries want to sell oil in other currencies which threatens the us dollar being a world currency, that's why the us starts wars to protect that petro dollar....

From the 1st article:

"The Ukraine War began the planned wreckage of Europe. The sanctions against Russia are as much a sham as they are deeply damaging to Europe in every sense. The Syrian War began the final isolation of the United States, from its exposure to creation, supply, and control of ISIS. It is the international terror machine founded by Langley and the Mossad. Almost all wars are to protect the USDollar from abandonment, while at the same time prevent the Russian and Iranian energy sources from dominating the European supply chain."

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Triggers in USDollar Collapse

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9/11 Memory: Fascism & Gold


Read the 1st article at least (the 2nd is long but still worth reading) it is from a very respected economist who has had very accurate economic predictions....
 
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jennymae

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With all due respect, don't take what the media tells you as truth it mostly isn't...I encourage you to research on the internet....
How can isis have a twitter account yet the CIA can track down every other criminal but not isis hmm....with all that superior technology...i call bs on that....
how did isis get all those american made tanks, hum-v's, rpg's etc?

The turkish govt was instructed by nato (turkey is a nato member and called nato to ask about shooting down ...it's fact look it up)and the us to shoot down the russian plane to provoke russia into a war...
As for the oil for turkey, for a year of bombing campaigns from the us designed to weaken isis....they only got stronger and didn't target the isis oil convoys, yet when russia did the job in 3 weeks targeting the convoys, they spin the propaganda to say russia is killing civilians...complete bs....

10 Signs That ISIS is a Scripted Psyop

not to mention isis is the name for a babylonian goddess that is also important to freemasons....

destabilizing the mid-east helps the us petro dollar as other countries want to sell oil in other currencies which threatens the us dollar being a world currency, that's why the us starts wars to protect that petro dollar....

From the 1st article:

"The Ukraine War began the planned wreckage of Europe. The sanctions against Russia are as much a sham as they are deeply damaging to Europe in every sense. The Syrian War began the final isolation of the United States, from its exposure to creation, supply, and control of ISIS. It is the international terror machine founded by Langley and the Mossad. Almost all wars are to protect the USDollar from abandonment, while at the same time prevent the Russian and Iranian energy sources from dominating the European supply chain."

1.

Triggers in USDollar Collapse

2.

9/11 Memory: Fascism & Gold


Read the 1st article at least (the 2nd is long but still worth reading) it is from a very respected economist who has had very accurate economic predictions....
Well......
 

sharkwhales

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The US had a Secretary of State that didn't care/lied about the lives in Benghazi and now they have a Republican front-runner who would force the military to do the polar opposite.

For the Trump supporters: Does this not alarm you that he'd be ordering the same type of torture that the Japanese did to American soldiers, and consequentially, were executed for after WWII? Read up on the Tokyo Trials (war crimes).
I'm not a trump supporter and it's abysmally unappealing to hear that kind of rhetoric, even if I think Trump is not serious and says all kinds of thing for attention and a 'do anything to win' attitude.

However, reality check: Bush was accused of war crimes for his use of drones, and Obama has only expanded that use and has similarly been accused. It is not as if Trump is breaking new ground in the sense of being a potential war criminal. Victims of drone strike attacks in Pakistan are estimated in the thousands, including hundreds of children. There is ongoing investigation by the International Humanitarian Fact-Finding Commission established by the Geneva Convention.

Personally I don't see a solution as long as there's one of the two party candidates in the office. I do not think democrats or republicans are motivated or capable to limit government, increase transparency, or confront our hawkish tendencies in this day and age.
 

Atwood

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Source: Donald Trump says he'd force U.S. military to commit war crimes - Washington Times



The US had a Secretary of State that didn't care/lied about the lives in Benghazi and now they have a Republican front-runner who would force the military to do the polar opposite.

For the Trump supporters: Does this not alarm you that he'd be ordering the same type of torture that the Japanese did to American soldiers, and consequentially, were executed for after WWII? Read up on the Tokyo Trials (war crimes).
There is plenty to criticize Trump for, but it should be honest, which I don't think the post made is as a quote from a newspaper. I don't believe Trump ever said he would order torture; nor was his IF statement about ordering war crimes. Trump never said, "I WILL ORDER WAR CRIMES." He did say that he would go beyond water-boarding. He did talk about attacking the families of terrorists. He might defend that as when the family is involved & supporting the terror (conspirators). I don't believe Trump ever said he would copy Japanese behavior.

I don't agree with Trump's statements, however; they did sound improper.
 

p_rehbein

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Trump backed off of this statement the very next day..........soooooooo