Trump releases policy position on immigration.
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he wants to require that anyone immigrating to the US have to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare & other needs before being allowed entry.
so much for "bring me your poor.."
does this mean he only wants to allow the independently wealthy to enter the US? only people who already have jobs lined up that pay enough to cover healthcare and housing? we have lots of people in this country who work full time already, and can't meet those certifications.
these policies might sound good at first glance, but they need some fleshing out for sure.
so much for "bring me your poor.."
does this mean he only wants to allow the independently wealthy to enter the US? only people who already have jobs lined up that pay enough to cover healthcare and housing? we have lots of people in this country who work full time already, and can't meet those certifications.
these policies might sound good at first glance, but they need some fleshing out for sure.
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That's because chinese women are coming over to California to have babies born in the USA. The child is then a natural citizen and the parents can stay with their child listed as dependent ....its a loop hole that is being used by them for another form of illegal immigration....and the black market tourism associated is big money....
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a lot of them come here to gain education, skills and a network of support, then go back to their home countries better equipped to help improve them.
how to help lift your countrymen up if you make $10 a month in Central America? but if you can make $1000 a month by emigrating to America that you can send back home to your family . .
this is one of the main reasons that we have so many people trying to cross the southern border. i'm not sure that bankrupting Mexico by forcing them at gunpoint to build an enormous wall is the best way to treat the problem. i think that if we could somehow help Central American countries root out their own corruption and grow their own economies, so that there was the same kind of opportunity in people's homelands as there is here, it would do a lot more to stem the tide than just beefing up security will ever do.
to me, it's like treating the symptoms vs. the cause. i don't know that anyone running for office looks at it that way or has those kinds of proposals though (?) -- Trump certainly doesn't.
how to help lift your countrymen up if you make $10 a month in Central America? but if you can make $1000 a month by emigrating to America that you can send back home to your family . .
this is one of the main reasons that we have so many people trying to cross the southern border. i'm not sure that bankrupting Mexico by forcing them at gunpoint to build an enormous wall is the best way to treat the problem. i think that if we could somehow help Central American countries root out their own corruption and grow their own economies, so that there was the same kind of opportunity in people's homelands as there is here, it would do a lot more to stem the tide than just beefing up security will ever do.
to me, it's like treating the symptoms vs. the cause. i don't know that anyone running for office looks at it that way or has those kinds of proposals though (?) -- Trump certainly doesn't.
Maybe but sometimes necessity is the mother of invention. When my son is ready to have a car he is gonna have to find a way to pay for it. Learning to do things for oneself is a reward in itself. When someone is stealing from you, giving them more isn't going to make them stop stealing from you. Applying enough pressure on someone to force a measure of independence is actually a pretty loving thing to do.
lol so Trump's kids wouldn't be citizens (he married an eastern European woman, who only got citizenship by virtue of marriage)
something like that is probably what you'd have to do though, yeah. i suppose if there was an obvious alternative, we would have already changed the law about it, because this "loophole" has been exploited for a long time.
something like that is probably what you'd have to do though, yeah. i suppose if there was an obvious alternative, we would have already changed the law about it, because this "loophole" has been exploited for a long time.
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Yup no bending the law even for politicians....they would be foreigners and not US citizens...it's like being pregnant you can't be half-pregnant you either are or are not...there is no in-between....and even if they did allow a in between the crooked 3rd worlders would find a way to exploit that by marrying US citizens so that 1 parent is legal while the other foreigner is illegal so the child would be a legal us citizen.....it's best to have a clear cut law like I suggested no gray area....
it's the necessity in Central America and the opportunity here that drives the invention of all kinds of ways to get here
i think the necessity is turning all of the Americas - South, Central and North - into places where everyone has a fair shot at supporting themselves and their families, and living a peaceful life, without leaving their own country to do so. i'd rather we focused on "teaching those countries how to fish" than just building cages around our own fish-piles.
does that make sense? i'm not against border security. i just don't think that really "solves" anything, any more than giving a man a fish is only a temporary fix.
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it's the necessity in Central America and the opportunity here that drives the invention of all kinds of ways to get here
i think the necessity is turning all of the Americas - South, Central and North - into places where everyone has a fair shot at supporting themselves and their families, and living a peaceful life, without leaving their own country to do so. i'd rather we focused on "teaching those countries how to fish" than just building cages around our own fish-piles.
does that make sense? i'm not against border security. i just don't think that really "solves" anything, any more than giving a man a fish is only a temporary fix.
US should secure its borders and protect it's health, wealth, and security all by closing it down....it would make it great again and stop the leeching of it by other countries....
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it's the necessity in Central America and the opportunity here that drives the invention of all kinds of ways to get here
i think the necessity is turning all of the Americas - South, Central and North - into places where everyone has a fair shot at supporting themselves and their families, and living a peaceful life, without leaving their own country to do so. i'd rather we focused on "teaching those countries how to fish" than just building cages around our own fish-piles.
does that make sense? i'm not against border security. i just don't think that really "solves" anything, any more than giving a man a fish is only a temporary fix.
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Compassion does not work these days as good people/compassion are abused by the corrupt....to play in this world you got to make hard tough decisions...will they be unpopular yes....but ultimately one should look out for one's own nation....it doesn't matter what morons in the UN/pope think....give them the finger and do what's best for your country...shut down the border....
I lean this way because it is common sense when people are trying to kill you that you figure out who they are. You're really not doing the poor and downtrodden a favor by letting them in at the same time you're letting in people that have no qualms about killing them or exploiting them for political or any other reason.
i never mentioned a pan-American union.
building a glass dome over the country is not addressing the root causes, is what i'm trying to say.
i think we should do something about helping our neighbors, and metaphorically "slamming the door on them and locking & bolting it" when they need to borrow a loaf of bread isn't any kind of full solution.
when people talk about unemployment, they say how much better it is to teach a man to fish than to just give him some fish -- so next week, when he's hungry again, he can help himself.
i think we ought to apply the same principle to immigration -- and invest in helping Central American countries "learn how to fish" so they can help their own citizens have the opportunities in their own home countries that they come here looking for.
forcing them to bankroll a multi-billion dollar wall? that ain't gonna help their economies. border security is important, but it's just a band aid. it does nothing to address the roots of the problem. i'm not saying "don't bother securing the borders"