NICE! Sanders thread

[kaylagrl]

There is nothing intrinsically atheistic about socialism. You can be a socialist and a christian, a socialist and a muslim, a socialist and an atheist, a socialist and a witch.

I wrote a big thing that I was proud of but I'm having some internet connection issues and it would let me post and now it's lost forever....grrrrr

Oh well, the main point I remember about it was that Bernie Sanders proposes that we could have free healthcare for everyone for the price of a cup of coffee taken out of all of our paychecks. It's totally worth it, especially in the long term. I want this country to have 100% free healthcare. That means, no hospital bills, no paying for any medication, etc... That's how it is in Great Britain. Yes, that means a tax increase, but it's not much and it's worth it. You're eliminating insurance companies and their power and stranglehold and their power to deny you insurance in the process. It's for the greater good. And it helps so many people that can't afford their medication. Old people need more social security as well, and young people need to not have 100,000 dollars worth of bills for trying to educate themselves in a good university.

As far as Obamacare, it's on the right track, but it's still not good enough and doesn't help everyone. Hillary wants to increase it and make it even better, but I don't think that's still enough. We need 100% FREE healthcare for all people, regardless of what their problems are. So you don't need to worry if you can afford your diabetes medication or heart medication and cancer and AIDS patients don't have to choose death over proper care. THAT is what christianity is about!

Did you not read my post at all?

 

[Desdichado]

As far as Obamacare, it's on the right track, but it's still not good enough and doesn't help everyone. Hillary wants to increase it and make it even better, but I don't think that's still enough. We need 100% FREE healthcare for all people, regardless of what their problems are. So you don't need to worry if you can afford your diabetes medication or heart medication and cancer and AIDS patients don't have to choose death over proper care. THAT is what christianity is about!

Oh absolutely. Sin, grace, redemption, liberty etc. For the birds, really. I think Martin Luther added all that poppycock to hide the fact that Jesus died on the Cross for state-paid maternity leave.

 

[Sirk]

There is nothing intrinsically atheistic about socialism. You can be a socialist and a christian, a socialist and a muslim, a socialist and an atheist, a socialist and a witch.

I wrote a big thing that I was proud of but I'm having some internet connection issues and it would let me post and now it's lost forever....grrrrr

Oh well, the main point I remember about it was that Bernie Sanders proposes that we could have free healthcare for everyone for the price of a cup of coffee taken out of all of our paychecks. It's totally worth it, especially in the long term. I want this country to have 100% free healthcare. That means, no hospital bills, no paying for any medication, etc... That's how it is in Great Britain. Yes, that means a tax increase, but it's not much and it's worth it. You're eliminating insurance companies and their power and stranglehold and their power to deny you insurance in the process. It's for the greater good. And it helps so many people that can't afford their medication. Old people need more social security as well, and young people need to not have 100,000 dollars worth of bills for trying to educate themselves in a good university.

As far as Obamacare, it's on the right track, but it's still not good enough and doesn't help everyone. Hillary wants to increase it and make it even better, but I don't think that's still enough. We need 100% FREE healthcare for all people, regardless of what their problems are. So you don't need to worry if you can afford your diabetes medication or heart medication and cancer and AIDS patients don't have to choose death over proper care. THAT is what christianity is about!

Yes...you can be all those things....but you just can't own anything.

 

[Kisses1990]

Did you not read my post at all?

No I didn't. I've been struggling with some internet connectivity issues. Let me go back and read everything you wrote and attempt to reply to you and everyone. And sorry... I was trying to post THREE times and it got cut during the "posting process" due to my internet at the moment. So, what should have been speedy process took waaay longer. So, brb while I read up.

 

[Kisses1990]

Yes...you can be all those things....but you just can't own anything.

People in Great Britain, Sweden, Denmark, France, etc.. don't own anything? I think they own lots of things...

 

[Sirk]

People in Great Britain, Sweden, Denmark, France, etc.. don't own anything? I think they own lots of things...

try telling that the the invaders that are stealing their land because of socialist policies. At the current pace they won't own much for long.

 

[KimPetras]

I like that Sanders feels one's health and life shouldn't be something to make profit on.
I like that even before Republicans/Conservatives reluctantly got on board, Sanders was leading the charge to eliminating pre-existing conditions.

 

[kaylagrl]

There is nothing intrinsically atheistic about socialism. You can be a socialist and a christian, a socialist and a muslim, a socialist and an atheist, a socialist and a witch.

I wrote a big thing that I was proud of but I'm having some internet connection issues and it would let me post and now it's lost forever....grrrrr

Oh well, the main point I remember about it was that Bernie Sanders proposes that we could have free healthcare for everyone for the price of a cup of coffee taken out of all of our paychecks. It's totally worth it, especially in the long term. I want this country to have 100% free healthcare. That means, no hospital bills, no paying for any medication, etc... That's how it is in Great Britain. Yes, that means a tax increase, but it's not much and it's worth it. You're eliminating insurance companies and their power and stranglehold and their power to deny you insurance in the process. It's for the greater good. And it helps so many people that can't afford their medication. Old people need more social security as well, and young people need to not have 100,000 dollars worth of bills for trying to educate themselves in a good university.

As far as Obamacare, it's on the right track, but it's still not good enough and doesn't help everyone. Hillary wants to increase it and make it even better, but I don't think that's still enough. We need 100% FREE healthcare for all people, regardless of what their problems are. So you don't need to worry if you can afford your diabetes medication or heart medication and cancer and AIDS patients don't have to choose death over proper care. THAT is what christianity is about!

[h=1]Communism, socialism, and Christianity: One of these does not belong;[/h]


Communism, socialism, and Christianity: One of these does not belong

 

[Sirk]

I like that Sanders feels one's health and life shouldn't be something to make profit on.
I like that even before Republicans/Conservatives reluctantly got on board, Sanders was leading the charge to eliminating pre-existing conditions.

Profit is good when it leads to innovation and serving. The bible talks about money a lot. Socialism is not biblical. Generosity is.... Generosity isn't socialism and socialism isn't generosity.

 

[kaylagrl]

No I didn't. I've been struggling with some internet connectivity issues. Let me go back and read everything you wrote and attempt to reply to you and everyone. And sorry... I was trying to post THREE times and it got cut during the "posting process" due to my internet at the moment. So, what should have been speedy process took waaay longer. So, brb while I read up.

My internet goes out twice a day,like clock work. So I have to run down to the basement to get it going again. Annoying but good exercise.

 

[Kisses1990]

Quote " I thought it was the Christian duty to give to the poor and help people... the homeless, the sick, etc..."

It certainly is our duty. But big gov't isn't the way to do it and that is what socialism does. It simply cannot work that way.I already made my comment on the free healthcare.

Why isn't or why can't it be big government duty as well? The government isn't some untouchable monster we should fear. The government is made up of us, the people. We've seen what can happen in the past with people like Hitler and other totalitarian governments and I'm not saying it can't happen again, but we have a whole lot of people around protecting it from happening again. It's why there should more than a two-party system as well. I'm not a socialist, by the way, I just think they have it right on some issues, at least. I think almost all branches of politics are right and wrong on different things.

Winston Churchill said this about socialism: “…A socialist policy is abhorrent to the British ideas of freedom. Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and…worship of the state. It will prescribe for everyone where they are to work, what they are to work at, where they may go and what they may say. Socialism is an attack on the right to breathe freely.”

Margret Thatcher said,“The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”

I don't want to discredit these wonderful people, but their inclusion here seems to be an Appeal To Authority.

Well Im not saying the healthcare system we have now doesn't need change,it does. But Im from Canada where we have free health care. First off, the sales tax where I was from was 15%. So I'd hardly call it "free". Also if you need a specialist you can wait a long,long time. My uncle had a bad injury to his knee,he couldn't even walk, he was in so much pain. It took him four months to get into a specialist. Treatment is the minimum level. I lost my aunt to stomach cancer at the age of 43 because they said she did not need further treatment than having her stomach removed. Had she had further treatment she'd likely be alive today. I have a childhood friend whose niece took a serious cancer and they raised funds to send her into the states to get proper treatment. So free isn't all that its cracked up to be and really is a misnomer.

You're right. Free healthcare does not imply free completely in the sense that the service is just magically given to whoever needs it... No, we pay a little more in taxes. Everyone does, and that supplies everyone with "free" health in the sense that they pay nothing for their meds or hospital visits. It would be particularly useful for me as I get sick a lot. I don't know how Canada works it, but it's not the same plan everywhere, that's for sure. Maybe Canada does it differently than France. I don't know. But I know you Canadians have longer lifespans than us and a lower infant mortality rate than us. You're doing something right. I had my wisdom teeth removed recently and I had to wait 3 weeks to go to the specialist to get it done. And that is here in America. So, we wait too. I'm sorry to hear about your family members struggle. Cancer is an awful thing. People die everywhere with it, even with the best treatment. I hope they can find a cure someday.

 

[notuptome]

I like that Sanders feels one's health and life shouldn't be something to make profit on.
I like that even before Republicans/Conservatives reluctantly got on board, Sanders was leading the charge to eliminating pre-existing conditions.

Mr 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

What are you willing to give up to get "free" healthcare?

Mr 8:37 Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Esau sold his birthright for a bowl of beans.

Politicians have learned how to manipulate voters by giving them "free" things. God said you shall eat by the sweat of your brow.

Ge 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Will you trust God or the government?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Spoonfulofsugar]

There is nothing intrinsically atheistic about socialism. You can be a socialist and a christian, a socialist and a muslim, a socialist and an atheist, a socialist and a witch.

I wrote a big thing that I was proud of but I'm having some internet connection issues and it would let me post and now it's lost forever....grrrrr

Oh well, the main point I remember about it was that Bernie Sanders proposes that we could have free healthcare for everyone for the price of a cup of coffee taken out of all of our paychecks. It's totally worth it, especially in the long term. I want this country to have 100% free healthcare. That means, no hospital bills, no paying for any medication, etc... That's how it is in Great Britain. Yes, that means a tax increase, but it's not much and it's worth it. You're eliminating insurance companies and their power and stranglehold and their power to deny you insurance in the process. It's for the greater good. And it helps so many people that can't afford their medication. Old people need more social security as well, and young people need to not have 100,000 dollars worth of bills for trying to educate themselves in a good university.

As far as Obamacare, it's on the right track, but it's still not good enough and doesn't help everyone. Hillary wants to increase it and make it even better, but I don't think that's still enough. We need 100% FREE healthcare for all people, regardless of what their problems are. So you don't need to worry if you can afford your diabetes medication or heart medication and cancer and AIDS patients don't have to choose death over proper care. THAT is what christianity is about!

Im sorry but I couldnt help thinking that you are a very misinformed young lady or a gov troll.Obamacare has never been on the right track nor was it created with healthcare in mind.It has been a huge fail from conception.

 

[KimPetras]

I like that Sanders was one of the first people to attack the pharmaceutical industries for their recording breaking profits.
I like that Sanders exposes the truth that the US spends exponentially more than any other developed country in prescription drugs.

(In fairness, Trump has come around on Bernie's side on this too. I'll give the devil his due.)

 

[Mitspa]

I like Sanders chicken..its great !

 

[crossnote]

My above post took awhile to post and was directed at "Sirk" so sorry for the continuity issues with this dialogue..

Anyway, ramx, I see your point. And that's an excellent question! "How would you reverse the all out corruption (both in gov and by the users) of the social programs we have today?"

I don't have all the answers. But I do believe that sitting back and allowing it all to stagnate won't solve anything. Moving gradually in a slight directions towards universal healthcare I think would be the thing to do. Constant revising and re-thinking how to better achieve it, and making sure the House of Representatives is in tact and it's not a rigged two-party system and our votes actually count would be a good start to help prevent greedy fame-driven politicians. People do abuse it. I'm not that familiar with the legalities of all this stuff, but maybe have mandatory drug tests in place for people on welfare? I'm not sure if they already do that. I'm sure there must be little things we could do to get the world a better place.

I don't think not having universal healthcare makes for a good place. All other first world countries have it and they seem to be doing alright. What's wrong with the U.S.?

In Sanders Land, does universal healthcare include the prospective abortion victims.

 

[crossnote]

Communism, socialism, and Christianity: One of these does not belong;




Communism, socialism, and Christianity: One of these does not belong

Let me help...
http://hotair.com/greenroom/archive...nd-christianity-one-of-these-does-not-belong/

 

[KimPetras]

In Sanders Land, does universal healthcare include the prospective abortion victims.

It doesn't, nor could it. Roe v Wade is a Supreme Court ruling and can only be changed by the court. No presidential candidate can include the unborn in their proposals.

Having said that, that is one thing I most certainly don't like about Sanders. Thankfully, it's a moot point, as the executive branch has no jurisdiction over the judiciary.

 

[crossnote]

It doesn't, nor could it. Roe v Wade is a Supreme Court ruling and can only be changed by the court. No presidential candidate can include the unborn in their proposals.

Having said that, that is one thing I most certainly don't like about Sanders. Thankfully, it's a moot point, as the executive branch has no jurisdiction over the judiciary.

Courts don't make laws. The President and Congress can introduce a law. You never heard of over turning Roe V Wade? Something the death mongers like Sanders is afraid of.

Are you for abortion? Do you approve of the slaughter of over 1 million/year in this nation? Is that why you and the other is so supportive of Sanders...and you all call yourselves Christians? Sickening.

 

[Bushido8000]

When you're boo'd out of the Trump thread for not abiding by the rules so you come to the liberal thread...

Only to find out that all of the conservatives from the Trump thread are breaking the rules in the liberal thread the same exact way you did....

...You gotta be kidding me.