Get ready for borderless world

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p_rehbein

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Lol that's kind of a stretch. Me being able to freely go to and from China isn't the same thing as God's commandants.
We were discussing "borders." There are all kinds of borders. And you asked about borders.........and what would be wrong with a borderless world? I gave ya the answer. There are more to borders and their necessity than going to and from anywhere.

You also said:

but I'm not seeing ANY evidence as to why this isn't one of the greatest ideas since American flag welcome mats

AND.........I gave you the reason why this ISN'T one of the greatest ideas since.........


 
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We were discussing "borders." There are all kinds of borders. And you asked about borders.........and what would be wrong with a borderless world? I gave ya the answer. There are more to borders and their necessity than going to and from anywhere.

You also said:

but I'm not seeing ANY evidence as to why this isn't one of the greatest ideas since American flag welcome mats

AND.........I gave you the reason why this ISN'T one of the greatest ideas since.........


Lol what? I'm not getting what you're saying. You were freaking about what Kerry was saying. He was talking about physical national borders and how stupid they are to have. I think these borders are stupid. What in the world are you talking about bud? Haha.
 

p_rehbein

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Lol what? I'm not getting what you're saying. You were freaking about what Kerry was saying. He was talking about physical national borders and how stupid they are to have. I think these borders are stupid. What in the world are you talking about bud? Haha.
Not freaking out at all. I was responding to your comment, not his. Carrying the concept to it's logical conclusion. That being a "border-less world." In order to have a border-less world, ALL BORDERS must be done away with, not just borders between Nations/States/Counties/Cities and such. If only they were done away with, it would not be a border-less world, it would be a partially bordered world.

As I stated, there are various types of borders, and to eliminate all of them is the only way to have a truly border-less world. Do you not grasp that?
 
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Not freaking out at all. I was responding to your comment, not his. Carrying the concept to it's logical conclusion. That being a "border-less world." In order to have a border-less world, ALL BORDERS must be done away with, not just borders between Nations/States/Counties/Cities and such. If only they were done away with, it would not be a border-less world, it would be a partially bordered world.

As I stated, there are various types of borders, and to eliminate all of them is the only way to have a truly border-less world. Do you not grasp that?
Yeah but where did that come from? Who brought up a world without morals and whatnot? It wasn't me. I was talking about physical borders and how stupid and oppressive they are to human beings. You can have a border-less world in terms of physical borders. Why would you want one without morals or anything like that?
 
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matt8195

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Who's going to run it?
 
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I didn't take what Kerry said as anything more than a fair observation; the general trend seems to be that time passed correlates positively with an increase in social mobility. The world is more connected than it ever has been before. Facebook, Twitter, Whatsapp, smartphones, cheap international calls, integrated trade, globalised economics, cheap international flights, satellites, GPS, global militarization, international inter-agency intelligence, increased lifespans, larger populations. Eventually, if the trends continue, the concept of isolated countries will become more and more obtuse. Anarchosyndicalism or global social-capitalism are the next step in human economics. It's already happening: with the advent of more advanced robotics, artificial intelligence, 3D printing, and quantum computing, it wont be long before many corporations -- particularly in electronics -- are run almost entirely without the need for human workers. By that stage, universal basic income and leisure-lives will become the norm. The only thing we have to choose is whether the poorer countries get to join in on this fantastic lifestyle as equals, or whether we continue to let ourselves ostracize and hate on foreigners. The future will look one of two ways depending on the decision.

Either humans will be born into a fair, free and equal global society or some of us will have that life in certain countries while the rest will be damned to become economic slaves for our benefit.
 
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Economics is largely about who is in control. Capitalism in its current form exists to mainly benefit those at the top of the pyramid. They also, by being at the top of that pyramid, have concentrated power: money buys influence. It funds presidential candidates, has a say in foreign policy, floods nations. Therefore it makes sense that ij a world where everyone has een taught to rely upon money to live, that those who have the most of it -- particularly those who have power to print and value it -- have the most power over the world.

There's a reason every president and leader who has tried to reformulate what I call banker's capitalism has found himself at the business end of a bullet. It's a shame really, because it is entirely possible in theoretical economic terms to create a model for an equal society where every human has a breakfast, a lunch, a dinner and a roof over his head.

As someone whose name I can't remember famously said: "venture capitalism ought to be called socialism for the rich".
 
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Anyway, point is, the common man is the one who benefits least from borders and tribalism. Division creates competitive markets for stupidly rich people to exploit. And the struggling majority are naturally "the exploited". Capitalism has only a handful of Pharoahs, and entire nations of slaves.
 
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People often like to say "but those countries are poor because people are uneducated/stupid/lazy/dirty", ehateber. But the reality is: those countries can never be like ours, under a capitalist system, because I'm a capitalist system there has to be the valuable, the gold standard, the capitaliser -- contrasted with the valueless, the copper standard, the loser, the capitalised. The price we pay for our gas, oil, computers and phones and TV screens is far more than just the listing price in the bill or at the shop. The price we really pay for all these luxuries are the starving children and the flattened cities.

And borders, well they serve to keep us in this illusion that we're worth it. We deserve it and thet for. We work for it. We earned it. But really we were just born in the right place at the right time.