United Methodist Church and Gay Pastors

[WarriorForChrist]

[h=1]Defying church ban, dozens of Methodist clergy come out as gay and lesbian[/h]

I thought this was an interesting read. Lets see how the Methodist vote.

 

[Billyd]

It's time for the UMC to clean up it's clergy and leadership ranks. I pray that they do it quickly.

This is a CNN article and the last paragraph

"The United Methodist Church is one of the few "mainline" Protestant denominations -- so called because of their deep American roots and historical influence -- to continue to bar same-sex marriages and LGBT clergy. In recent years, the following denominations have voted to lift such bans: the Episcopal Church, the Presbyterian Church (USA) and the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America".

is total bunk.

 

[MsSuzanna]

Where are the westboro church when we need em lol...jk ...dont run for the stones just yet

 

[crossnote]

one word for the UMC...ICHABOD

And thorns shall come up in her palaces, nettles and brambles in the fortresses thereof: and it shall be an habitation of dragons, and a court for owls. The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the island, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow; the screech owl also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest. There shall the great owl make her nest, and lay, and hatch, and gather under her shadow: there shall the vultures also be gathered, every one with her mate.
(Isa 34:13-15)

She played the harlot with liberal theologians and now expect her people to keep to her traditions?

 

[JustWhoIAm]

She played the harlot with liberal theologians and now expect her people to keep to her traditions?

Define 'liberal', please. Jesus Christ himself was pretty liberal by our standards today (taking things like homosexuality and abortion out of the equation, i'd wager).

Feed the hungry.
Heal the sick.
Forgive your neighbor.
Don't be greedy.
Call BS what it is.
Stand up for yourself and others.
Focus on proper education.
Value the despised of the world.
Fear God above evil men.

????????????

Just saying. What are we calling liberal?

 

[nowyouseem033]

I wouldn't say Jesus is liberal or conservative but rather the balance of the two.

Liberalism today seeks to simply impose todays culture, ethos, and values upon the Word of God, so as to make the bible relative to todays norm. i.e. homosexuality, abortion, etc.

Unfortunately in doing such a thing you have to either deny the inerrant Word of God and conclude the bible is simply words of men about God or compromise true Christianity and redefine it to make it fit in with the culture today.

honestly speaking I see an attack on both

 

[willfollowsGod]

Define 'liberal', please. Jesus Christ himself was pretty liberal by our standards today (taking things like homosexuality and abortion out of the equation, i'd wager).

Feed the hungry.
Heal the sick.
Forgive your neighbor.
Don't be greedy.
Call BS what it is.
Stand up for yourself and others.
Focus on proper education.
Value the despised of the world.
Fear God above evil men.

????????????


Just saying. What are we calling liberal?

Jesus was not liberal, if one actually looked at his parables and what he said, you find that a lot of those principles have been embraced by conservatives. When crossnote is talking about liberal, he is talking about those who claim they are Christians but deny the resurrection of Jesus Christ, say Jesus never said anything against homosexuality (when in fact he referred to Sodom and when he mentioned sexual immorality he was not being vague, he was referring to the Old Testament which gives a list of what is sexually immoral). They try to claim that God did not part the Red Sea for the Israelites to cross, instead they falsely claim that a certain weather pattern was around and that is why it parted, removing God out of the equation). They claim that the Bible is not the word of God as well. Also, your understanding is common but way too simplified, some of what you say is correct but the rest is not. He does not just say don't be greedy, he says store your treasure in heaven where moths and rust will not destroy and thieves will not break in and steal. Nowhere does he talk about focusing on proper education, that does not mean education is not important, that was not one of his focuses. Thanks. God bless.

 

[Billyd]

Define 'liberal', please. Jesus Christ himself was pretty liberal by our standards today (taking things like homosexuality and abortion out of the equation, i'd wager).

Feed the hungry.
Heal the sick.
Forgive your neighbor.
Don't be greedy.
Call BS what it is.
Stand up for yourself and others.
Focus on proper education.
Value the despised of the world.
Fear God above evil men.

????????????

Just saying. What are we calling liberal?

Think about this.

Social conservative fiscal conservative
Social conservative fiscal moderate
Social conservative fiscal liberal
Social moderate fiscal conservative
Social moderate fiscal moderate
Social moderate fiscal liberal
Social liberal fiscal conservative
Social liberal fiscal moderate
Social liberal fiscal liberal

Where does Jesus fit? Socially Conservative without a doubt. IMHO he was fiscally liberal.

What do you think?

 

[crossnote]

Define 'liberal', please. Jesus Christ himself was pretty liberal by our standards today (taking things like homosexuality and abortion out of the equation, i'd wager).

Feed the hungry.
Heal the sick.
Forgive your neighbor.
Don't be greedy.
Call BS what it is.
Stand up for yourself and others.
Focus on proper education.
Value the despised of the world.
Fear God above evil men.

????????????

Just saying. What are we calling liberal?

In relation to church, bible etc., and not politics, liberals are ones who exalt human reason over God's revelation through His Word.
IOW they play fast and loose with God's Word throwing doubt upon it's authenticity...e.g. accepting culture's definition of marriage over God's. Jesus was in no wise a liberal under this meaning.

 

[NotmebutHim]

The UMC has been leaning liberal for many years now.

One local UMC church I visited had magazines in the waiting area, which featured articles from people such as Brian McLaren and Jim Wallis. Wallis, for the record, was part of the group Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), which was active during the 1960s (while opposition to the Vietnam War was going on and anti-establishment sentiment was high).

They are wolves in sheep's clothing according to Jesus, and false ministers of light according to Paul.

 

[Utah]

Define 'liberal', please. Jesus Christ himself was pretty liberal by our standards today (taking things like homosexuality and abortion out of the equation, i'd wager).

Feed the hungry.
Heal the sick.
Forgive your neighbor.
Don't be greedy.
Call BS what it is.
Stand up for yourself and others.
Focus on proper education.
Value the despised of the world.
Fear God above evil men.

????????????

Just saying. What are we calling liberal?

I'm calling total nonsense on your post.

Jesus demonstrates how to be 100% obedient to God; that means no curve balls, no slip ups, no "free thinking" renegade individualism doing one's own thing. Jesus demonstrates conservative traits.

And your list demonstrates conservative values much more so than liberal values. Conservatives are more godly, give more to charities, care for those in need and do so in respectful, non-paternalistic ways, and conservatives focus on proper education, unlike liberals who love teaching five year olds how to put condemns on cucumbers.

Try again.

 

[Utah]

Jesus is not liberal, if one actually looked at his parables and what he said, you find that a lot of those principles have been embraced by conservatives. When crossnote is talking about liberal, he is talking about those who claim they are Christians but deny the resurrection of Jesus Christ, say Jesus never said anything against homosexuality (when in fact he referred to Sodom and when he mentioned sexual immorality he was not being vague, he was referring to the Old Testament which gives a list of what is sexually immoral). They try to claim that God did not part the Red Sea for the Israelites to cross, instead they falsely claim that a certain weather pattern was around and that is why it parted, removing God out of the equation). They claim that the Bible is not the word of God as well. Also, your understanding is common but way too simplified, some of what you say is correct but the rest is not. He does not just say don't be greedy, he says store your treasure in heaven where moths and rust will not destroy and thieves will not break in and steal. Nowhere does he talk about focusing on proper education, that does not mean education is not important, that was not one of his focuses. Thanks. God bless.

Fixed it for ya.

Always refer to Jesus in present tense unless referring to a specific moment He walked the Earth.

 

[Utah]

The UMC has been leaning liberal for many years now.

One local UMC church I visited had magazines in the waiting area, which featured articles from people such as Brian McLaren and Jim Wallis. Wallis, for the record, was part of the group Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), which was active during the 1960s (while opposition to the Vietnam War was going on and anti-establishment sentiment was high).

They are wolves in sheep's clothing according to Jesus, and false ministers of light according to Paul.

Well said, Brother. And as far as gays coming out in the UMC, they don't need to come out, they're as obvious as the noontime Sun.

 

[p_rehbein]

Define 'liberal', please. Jesus Christ himself was pretty liberal by our standards today (taking things like homosexuality and abortion out of the equation, i'd wager).

Feed the hungry.
Heal the sick.
Forgive your neighbor.
Don't be greedy.
Call BS what it is.
Stand up for yourself and others.
Focus on proper education.
Value the despised of the world.
Fear God above evil men.

????????????

Just saying. What are we calling liberal?

I've seen this argument before, like the one about Jesus/the Early Church being Socialists......

The DIFFERENCE IS............Neither Jesus, the Disciples, or the Early Church were saying that the GOVERNMENT must FORCE people to do the things you mention.

Liberals today, and for many years now, are those of the Political Ideology that Government is to be the NANNY of all mankind, and to take from whomever they want to give it to whomever they want. This IS NOT the Biblical way.

Hope that helps define "liberal."

 

[Mitspa]

Define 'liberal', please. Jesus Christ himself was pretty liberal by our standards today (taking things like homosexuality and abortion out of the equation, i'd wager).

Feed the hungry.
Heal the sick.
Forgive your neighbor.
Don't be greedy.
Call BS what it is.
Stand up for yourself and others.
Focus on proper education.
Value the despised of the world.
Fear God above evil men.

????????????

Just saying. What are we calling liberal?

WHERE ARE THESE LIBERALS? name one in our political process?

 

[willfollowsGod]

Fixed it for ya.

Always refer to Jesus in present tense unless referring to a specific moment He walked the Earth.

I was referring to his stay on earth, I guess I should have been more specific. Oh well.

 

[Utah]

I was referring to his stay on earth, I guess I should have been more specific. Oh well.

Its all good, my brother. I've got your six and I know you've got mine.

 

[notuptome]

The United Methodist church is going to split. If not this year it will be soon.

Makes little difference to me since both halves will still be apostate. The have demonstrated no interest in believing Gods word but prefer to go with what the modern culture teaches them.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Sirk]

I've seen this argument before, like the one about Jesus/the Early Church being Socialists......

The DIFFERENCE IS............Neither Jesus, the Disciples, or the Early Church were saying that the GOVERNMENT must FORCE people to do the things you mention.

Liberals today, and for many years now, are those of the Political Ideology that Government is to be the NANNY of all mankind, and to take from whomever they want to give it to whomever they want. This IS NOT the Biblical way.

Hope that helps define "liberal."

The modern day liberal puts govt in the place of God. It's god with a small g. All power and authority rests in the hands of men to distribute as they see fit and it is based in human understanding and has no room for God with a capital G.

 

[p_rehbein]

The modern day liberal puts govt in the place of God. It's god with a small g. All power and authority rests in the hands of men to distribute as they see fit and it is based in human understanding and has no room for God with a capital G.

Actually posted a Scripture on the BDF this AM that reveals why they are unable to understand God and His workings.....

Here...........


Ecclesiastes 3:11 - He hath made every [thing] beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.