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This is the same government minister who helped the government push a bill that would see billions spent funding the infrastructure required to create a new class of nuclear weapons; the same government who found billions for wars the public never voted for; who let private companies frack oil in places the world heritage organization terms areas of "astounding natural beauty", through legislation meant to allow planning permission for small home extensions; who can remove safeguards protecting the national health service from being charged through the nose for equipment and medicines that the government could manufacture, and have in the past manufactured, through public companies at a fraction of the cost; who repealed legislation allowing houses to be built by public sector institutions that previously provided affordable shelter for underpivelaged families; who want to cut disability and out-of-work benefits in a nation where there literally aren't enough jobs for everyone and where the minimum wage doesn't even begin to meet a "living standard"; whose answer to said problem was to institute an artificial rise in the minimum wage which benefits nobody at the end-point because the companies who are forced to instate this higher wage will have to levy the cost against the consumer; but who can't build 20,000 houses?
This article is just more propaganda to fuel the agenda of the conservatossers. The EU's mandate for certain standards of social housing is the biggest reason to stay in, if social housing is a concern of yours.
This article is just more propaganda to fuel the agenda of the conservatossers. The EU's mandate for certain standards of social housing is the biggest reason to stay in, if social housing is a concern of yours.
M
The country does need more social housing, partly because of the right to buy and
partly because some of the older housing has been pulled down and the breakdown
of relationships. Ie more single people living alone in houses etc.
But then there is the biggie of more housing needed due to the open borders EU policy.
Not just housing, but schools, medical services, more money for the welfare state,
more college places, more prisons, more of everything in fact due to the rapid rise
in the population.
partly because some of the older housing has been pulled down and the breakdown
of relationships. Ie more single people living alone in houses etc.
But then there is the biggie of more housing needed due to the open borders EU policy.
Not just housing, but schools, medical services, more money for the welfare state,
more college places, more prisons, more of everything in fact due to the rapid rise
in the population.
You assume a rapid rise in population correlates to a rapid decline in economic ability. Most historical instances of mass immigration to the UK prove that the opposite is true. It was Pakistani immigrants that boomed our economy by working mines; it was Polish immigrants who helped sustain our economy by doing the dirty jobs nobody wants; it was African immigrants who helped rebuild our houses and fortify our army after World War 2; it was Indian immigrants before them.
The UK is a country built on immigrants. Your curry is Indian. Your tea is Punjabi. Your rice is Bangladeshi. Your car is likely German. Your clothes are mostly made in Indonesian and Thai sweatshops. The clay for your house was probably mined by a Pakistani. The benefits our government pay to everybody in the entire UK is outweighed several times by the economy immigrants alone create. And then people have the gall to call them invaders?
I can tell you as a matter of fact that the British attempted to invade or colonize every country in the world except for four, and that the British abroad have the most horrid and brutal reputation among nearly all of those nations. Britain was never great to begin with. Barely average. And it certainly wasn't ruined by immigrants who worked to improve it.
The UK is a country built on immigrants. Your curry is Indian. Your tea is Punjabi. Your rice is Bangladeshi. Your car is likely German. Your clothes are mostly made in Indonesian and Thai sweatshops. The clay for your house was probably mined by a Pakistani. The benefits our government pay to everybody in the entire UK is outweighed several times by the economy immigrants alone create. And then people have the gall to call them invaders?
I can tell you as a matter of fact that the British attempted to invade or colonize every country in the world except for four, and that the British abroad have the most horrid and brutal reputation among nearly all of those nations. Britain was never great to begin with. Barely average. And it certainly wasn't ruined by immigrants who worked to improve it.
People talk about privilege like it's something the poorest among us receive aplenty -- to the grievance of those better off -- when really, it's those afforded power and wealth who truly have unfair privileges. Homelessness and grotesque wealth go hand in hand. Eliminate one and you naturally eliminate the other. In order for each citizen to have a home -- regardless of mental faculty or intelligence (which directly correlate to income) -- those who have many homes must agree to have fewer. Likewise, in order for one party to retain immense power, another must relinquish what little power it has.
Buying a house is neither a right, nor a privilege. Having a house is a necessity. The question is; will you deprive another person of that necessity, according to standards that those best-abled among us engineer specifically for that purpose?
Deprivation in any nation, is a clear judgement on the will of that nation to deprive. If you refuse to consider the necessities of life as necessities -- especially when you benefit from having them -- then you refuse to validate your fellow human beings as being human. They're less than you, because you refuse to count them equal.
Buying a house is neither a right, nor a privilege. Having a house is a necessity. The question is; will you deprive another person of that necessity, according to standards that those best-abled among us engineer specifically for that purpose?
Deprivation in any nation, is a clear judgement on the will of that nation to deprive. If you refuse to consider the necessities of life as necessities -- especially when you benefit from having them -- then you refuse to validate your fellow human beings as being human. They're less than you, because you refuse to count them equal.
M
I've nothing against immigrants, never said I did. I'm not exactly white myself 
But there is a difference in being allowed to vet people and make decisions
yourself about who you allow into your house;
or been told that anyone can turn up and live in your house any time, eat any of
your food, spend as much of your money as they want, get free health care
whenever they want - even if they have a criminal record and might even be
associated with terriests. Just because someone who lives across the street says so and
they do not even own your house.
There was an article late last year where many Eastern Europeans were coming to
the Uk, registering with GP practices to get a medical health card, then returning
back to their own country a few weeks later and then getting free health care paid
for by the NHS.
All they had to do was produce their NHS medical card to the hospitals, who
then billed the UK for treatment!
There was also a lot in the news about pregnant women from EU countries
coming to the UK to have their babies free of charge, then returning back
to their countries - health tourism it was called.
The NHS is paid for via the national insurance paid for by UK tax payers.
Yet people from other countries can just hop on a plane, wave their EU passport
and get treated free then return back home.
That is down right dishonest and Brussels think that is ok.
Health tourists cost UK taxpayers nearly £6billion in eight years
Incidentally my aunt who I look after was in hospital for 12 weeks at the end of
last year, I visited her almost every day. The maternity ward was just one floor below so
every day I visited I found myself sharing the hospital lifts with pregnant women on the
way to maternity.
Well over 50% of them were Easten Europeans. Some days all the women heading
to the maternity floor were Eastern Europeans. I was amazed I really thought the
newspapers were just exaggerating but honestly they weren't.
Top doctors blow whistle on EU health tourists who bleed NHS dry | Daily Mail Online
health tourists are milking the NHS for expensive cancer treatments, drugs and
dialysis by claiming they are UK residents on the day they arrive in the country,
top doctors reveal today.
They are being granted complex therapy – sometimes worth hundreds of thousands
of pounds – thanks to ‘incredibly lax’ guidelines governing full access to Britain’s
treasured Health Service, medics have told The Mail on Sunday.
Despite Government claims that it is cracking down on health tourism, the doctors
say these instructions potentially allow immediate access to everything the NHS
has to offer to around 500 million Europeans.
All that individuals from across Europe have to do, say the consultants, is come
here and claim to be ‘ordinarily resident’ in the UK – which they can do by quoting
a friend or relative’s address.
Until recently, official guidance was that EU passport holders had to prove they had
been living in Britain for at least six months to qualify.
But new guidelines have all but scrapped the ‘six-month rule’ – plainly stating: ‘It is
perfectly possible to be ordinarily resident here from the day of arrival.’
As a result the senior doctors say:
Patients are coming to hospital straight from the airport to demand treatment for
serious diseases they have had for some time;
But there is a difference in being allowed to vet people and make decisions
yourself about who you allow into your house;
or been told that anyone can turn up and live in your house any time, eat any of
your food, spend as much of your money as they want, get free health care
whenever they want - even if they have a criminal record and might even be
associated with terriests. Just because someone who lives across the street says so and
they do not even own your house.
There was an article late last year where many Eastern Europeans were coming to
the Uk, registering with GP practices to get a medical health card, then returning
back to their own country a few weeks later and then getting free health care paid
for by the NHS.
All they had to do was produce their NHS medical card to the hospitals, who
then billed the UK for treatment!
There was also a lot in the news about pregnant women from EU countries
coming to the UK to have their babies free of charge, then returning back
to their countries - health tourism it was called.
The NHS is paid for via the national insurance paid for by UK tax payers.
Yet people from other countries can just hop on a plane, wave their EU passport
and get treated free then return back home.
That is down right dishonest and Brussels think that is ok.
Health tourists cost UK taxpayers nearly £6billion in eight years
Incidentally my aunt who I look after was in hospital for 12 weeks at the end of
last year, I visited her almost every day. The maternity ward was just one floor below so
every day I visited I found myself sharing the hospital lifts with pregnant women on the
way to maternity.
Well over 50% of them were Easten Europeans. Some days all the women heading
to the maternity floor were Eastern Europeans. I was amazed I really thought the
newspapers were just exaggerating but honestly they weren't.
Top doctors blow whistle on EU health tourists who bleed NHS dry | Daily Mail Online
health tourists are milking the NHS for expensive cancer treatments, drugs and
dialysis by claiming they are UK residents on the day they arrive in the country,
top doctors reveal today.
They are being granted complex therapy – sometimes worth hundreds of thousands
of pounds – thanks to ‘incredibly lax’ guidelines governing full access to Britain’s
treasured Health Service, medics have told The Mail on Sunday.
Despite Government claims that it is cracking down on health tourism, the doctors
say these instructions potentially allow immediate access to everything the NHS
has to offer to around 500 million Europeans.
All that individuals from across Europe have to do, say the consultants, is come
here and claim to be ‘ordinarily resident’ in the UK – which they can do by quoting
a friend or relative’s address.
Until recently, official guidance was that EU passport holders had to prove they had
been living in Britain for at least six months to qualify.
But new guidelines have all but scrapped the ‘six-month rule’ – plainly stating: ‘It is
perfectly possible to be ordinarily resident here from the day of arrival.’
As a result the senior doctors say:
Patients are coming to hospital straight from the airport to demand treatment for
serious diseases they have had for some time;
- One Spaniard racked up bills topping £200,000 for cancer surgery and drugs – none
- of which he was billed for – by simply claiming he was living at a friend’s UK address;
- Eastern Europeans are regularly flying in for treatment they cannot get at home, which
- can cost tens of thousands of pounds, by claiming to be staying with relatives;
- Expatriate Britons who have not paid taxes or lived in Britain for decades are also
- eligible for immediate treatment.
Someone coming to your house and eating your food is not even close to someone coming to your country to live, becoming a citizen, and reaping its benefits. Plenty of Britons go to Spain, Germany, Portugal and France every year and do exactly the same thing. It's not unheard of. It's not something that ruins our economy. It's not something we aren't reimbursed for.
Every visiting citizen, whether they have an NHS card or not, is required to co-pay for their treatment. It's provided cheaper here than in their home countries because the NHS is largely nationalized: it doesn't seek to profiteer the same way their private companies back home do. Therefore, it charges less money for procedures. Anybody who receives free NHS treatment, will be a UK citizen, or have qualified for UK citizenship. And for anybody who isn't a UK citizen, they will be given free treatment ONLY if their condition is life threatening. Once they are stable, they are sent back home.
Regardless if these laws have changed in the last few years: it is the conservative government who would have changed them. Vote Labour. Stay in Europe. It's clear Cameron is attempting to overburden the NHS, in order to privatize it. Nothing to do with the EU: they didn't change the NHS charter!
Every visiting citizen, whether they have an NHS card or not, is required to co-pay for their treatment. It's provided cheaper here than in their home countries because the NHS is largely nationalized: it doesn't seek to profiteer the same way their private companies back home do. Therefore, it charges less money for procedures. Anybody who receives free NHS treatment, will be a UK citizen, or have qualified for UK citizenship. And for anybody who isn't a UK citizen, they will be given free treatment ONLY if their condition is life threatening. Once they are stable, they are sent back home.
Regardless if these laws have changed in the last few years: it is the conservative government who would have changed them. Vote Labour. Stay in Europe. It's clear Cameron is attempting to overburden the NHS, in order to privatize it. Nothing to do with the EU: they didn't change the NHS charter!
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M
Hi Utah, in the UK if you live in rented social housing, then after a certain period
of time you can buy the house from the Council and get a large discount depending
on how many years you have rented the property from the Council.
This is called "Right to buy" as a result a lot of social housing stock was snapped up
and bought by tenants especially those who had lived in the homes a long time. I
think people can get up to 70% discount with a maximum discount ceiling set of
£77,000 in most parts of the UK or £103,000 in London.
So now Council housing estates are a mix of rented and privately owned.
But those bought have not been replaced with new social housing stock.
M
I think you need to read the links I posted and do a few googled searches of your own.
It has everything to do with free movement from other EU countries into the UK. Plus the
percentage of Brits going abroad is lower year upon year than numbers coming into the Uk.
Here are the official Parlimentary figures. They include EU and non EU migrants.
http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06077/SN06077.pdf
the situation you have described, Miri, is almost exactly the same situation we have in the US with illegal immigrants. They come over, have babies (called anchor-babies, by the way) and the babies, having been born in the US, are US citizens. The parents get to stay and get free (or almost free) medical, housing, food, school, simply because mommy made it across the border before giving birth.
The cost to the tax-paying citizens is astounding, and it is devastating to school systems and hospitals.
Not to mention the extremely high rate of felons that come across and continue their lives of violent crime, which creates even MORE devastation on the economy.... not to mention the victims of their criminal behavior.
Welcome to the world of open borders.
The cost to the tax-paying citizens is astounding, and it is devastating to school systems and hospitals.
Not to mention the extremely high rate of felons that come across and continue their lives of violent crime, which creates even MORE devastation on the economy.... not to mention the victims of their criminal behavior.
Welcome to the world of open borders.
M
I think the Aussie way of doing things is better, where you need to have a
job lined up before you can emigrate, or have courses lined up if they want
to study etc and they are given a visa for say 3 years if studying.
Also I believe they have a right to refuse entry to anyone with
a criminal record etc.
Im not referring to refugees by the way, that is a different matter.
Going back to the Brexit, it's not right in my opinion, that people I do not know
and never voted for, have a bigger say in running the country than our own
politicians.
job lined up before you can emigrate, or have courses lined up if they want
to study etc and they are given a visa for say 3 years if studying.
Also I believe they have a right to refuse entry to anyone with
a criminal record etc.
Im not referring to refugees by the way, that is a different matter.
Going back to the Brexit, it's not right in my opinion, that people I do not know
and never voted for, have a bigger say in running the country than our own
politicians.
M
I suppose the difference is the US is a very large country with vast open space.
Whereas as the UK is just a large island.
Ive nothing against people from different countries at all, my own church is
brilliant and it has Christians from over 40 different nationalities. I have many
friends from different nationalities, but even they agree that there are
people who come to the UK for the wrong reasons to abuse the system.
They say that of their own countryman.
Whereas as the UK is just a large island.
Ive nothing against people from different countries at all, my own church is
brilliant and it has Christians from over 40 different nationalities. I have many
friends from different nationalities, but even they agree that there are
people who come to the UK for the wrong reasons to abuse the system.
They say that of their own countryman.
It is true, the US has a lot of open space, but the flood of illegals aren't simply coming here to find a "spot" to live.... they are coming for the handouts, with no intention of assimilating into the US culture. They want to keep their own third world way of life, but get almost total support to live it.
I have nothing against LEGAL immigrants, if they truly want to become Americans and pursue the "American dream". That is what has made America great... unfortunately, that is not what is happening now.
I have nothing against LEGAL immigrants, if they truly want to become Americans and pursue the "American dream". That is what has made America great... unfortunately, that is not what is happening now.