5.5 MILLION YEARS AGO........

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Scientists have found a whole new world hidden inside a cave that has been sealed for about 5.5 million years. The cave and its residents could provide scientists with answers to questions about global warming and the formation of life on Earth. These interesting creatures call the Movile Cave in Romania their home. It was sealed when a sheet of limestone collapsed onto the opening. The cave wasn’t discovered until 1986 when Romanian workers were testing the surrounding ground as a potential power plant site. Access to the cave is restricted. Less than 100 people have entered it. One of the reasons for this is that the journey itself is dangerous. BBC explained: To enter, you must first lower ...Read more

So, who exactly was around 5.5 million years ago to verify that this was when the cave entrance was sealed off? That's my first question. Question number two is: Why does it ALWAYS have to be SPIDERS?

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Scientists Uncover Array of Strange Animals in Cave That Has Been Sealed Off for 5.5 Million Years



 
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p_rehbein said:
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Scientists have found a whole new world hidden inside a cave that has been sealed for about 5.5 million years. The cave and its residents could provide scientists with answers to questions about global warming and the formation of life on Earth. These interesting creatures call the Movile Cave in Romania their home. It was sealed when a sheet of limestone collapsed onto the opening. The cave wasn’t discovered until 1986 when Romanian workers were testing the surrounding ground as a potential power plant site. Access to the cave is restricted. Less than 100 people have entered it. One of the reasons for this is that the journey itself is dangerous. BBC explained: To enter, you must first lower ...Read more

So, who exactly was around 5.5 million years ago to verify that this was when the cave entrance was sealed off? That's my first question. Question number two is: Why does it ALWAYS have to be SPIDERS?

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Scientists Uncover Array of Strange Animals in Cave That Has Been Sealed Off for 5.5 Million Years
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Because spiders are the man downstairs' pets:p
 
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p_rehbein said:
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Scientists have found a whole new world hidden inside a cave that has been sealed for about 5.5 million years. The cave and its residents could provide scientists with answers to questions about global warming and the formation of life on Earth. These interesting creatures call the Movile Cave in Romania their home. It was sealed when a sheet of limestone collapsed onto the opening. The cave wasn’t discovered until 1986 when Romanian workers were testing the surrounding ground as a potential power plant site. Access to the cave is restricted. Less than 100 people have entered it. One of the reasons for this is that the journey itself is dangerous. BBC explained: To enter, you must first lower ...Read more

So, who exactly was around 5.5 million years ago to verify that this was when the cave entrance was sealed off? That's my first question. Question number two is: Why does it ALWAYS have to be SPIDERS?

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Scientists Uncover Array of Strange Animals in Cave That Has Been Sealed Off for 5.5 Million Years
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Exactly! Who can verify it has been sealed for even 200yrs? Got to love these slick "scientists". Not to butt in but we're having this discussion in another thread. I thought this video nailed it. Left them speechless.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiJdfCiWo4I
 
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p_rehbein said:
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Scientists have found a whole new world hidden inside a cave that has been sealed for about 5.5 million years. The cave and its residents could provide scientists with answers to questions about global warming and the formation of life on Earth. These interesting creatures call the Movile Cave in Romania their home. It was sealed when a sheet of limestone collapsed onto the opening. The cave wasn’t discovered until 1986 when Romanian workers were testing the surrounding ground as a potential power plant site. Access to the cave is restricted. Less than 100 people have entered it. One of the reasons for this is that the journey itself is dangerous. BBC explained: To enter, you must first lower ...Read more

So, who exactly was around 5.5 million years ago to verify that this was when the cave entrance was sealed off? That's my first question. Question number two is: Why does it ALWAYS have to be SPIDERS?

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Scientists Uncover Array of Strange Animals in Cave That Has Been Sealed Off for 5.5 Million Years
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If you go to Texas and find a rock formation near the coast, and outside that rock formation are modern spiders, but within it is a sealed cave with spiders similar to spider fossils you managed to find in northern Mexican geological deposits from the Phanerozoic period, then it's safe to conclude that the cave has been sealed since at least the end of the Phanerozoic period.
 
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this sounds like a bad si-fi movie a watched several years ago called the cave, sounds like the same script. could the scientists have seen it and applied it here???
 
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All this spider talk brings the terrible memories from the horrible movie "Kingdom of the Spiders" back to me...:p
 
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The people 10 million years ago are the ones who were around to unseal the people burried in the 5.7 million year ago cave that later were around to notice the 5.5 million year cave you've now mentioned. And the only reason I can safely say that is because 78 trillion years ago earth had some form of life that over time simply "had to eventually" stumble upon the 10 million years ago men. And that's not even using the vastly erroneous carbon dating process we trust so inevitably...NO! I am Totally kidding; and hopefully I can state - obviously. I'll let the others joke more specifically about the Spider discoveries. Smile.
 
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Well of course they knew it was 5.5 million years old cos the bugs have been marking
the days off, just waiting for a man with a torch on his helmet to come and scare the
living day lights out of them.


We bugs get this kind of home invasion from humans all the time. :p

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You guys snigger and sneer at this stuff because it doesn't fit a Young Earth narrative (a narrative which only a tiny minority of CHRISTIANS even believe), but these kinds of findings -- ones that show the age of the Earth to be much older than Young Earth Creationists believe -- are found by the same strict scientific protocols that any historical investigation utilizing the scientific method must abide by.

If you find footprints in the snow you know somebody has walked there, even though you werent there to see the walking. This is the same concept, with higher complexity. You don't sneer when a forensic anthropologist determines that suspect A commited a crime because the mud samples found at the scene have the same unique mineral composition as that which was found on the suspect's shoes, taken from his home after the fact. So why sneer when an evolutionary anthropologist concludes that a fossil found in rock layers must be several million years old due to the rock mineral composition and level of fossilization in the sample?

I'm not intending to be arrogant -- though it may be percieved that way -- but did it ever occur to you that perhaps you simply don't understand the concepts that you would need to understand in order to determine whether this finding is accurate or not?
 
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Yeah sorry I just can't buy the young earth theory. Makes no sense to me. The stars that we can see are billions of light-years away. That means it takes light from the stars you see at night a billion years to reach us...meaning that those stars are at least a billion years old.

Also, dinosaurs and prehistoric vegetation.
 
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And before "the flood wiped out all the dinosaurs"

What about the tons and tons of oceanic dinosaurs that are no where to be found?
 
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Exactly. Apply that same logic to evolutionary theory and you'll come up with the same results: Earth, and the life upon it, is millions upon millions of years old.
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But it's crazy because people think that if the Earth isn't 6000 years old, it's like God doesn't even exist. I don't see anything wrong with God creating the Earth a REALLY long time ago as opposed to a long time ago haha.

Hey what happened to your post? lol

Guys, I didn't triple post haha.
 
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But it's crazy because people think that if the Earth isn't 6000 years old, it's like God doesn't even exist. I don't see anything wrong with God creating the Earth a REALLY long time ago as opposed to a long time ago haha.
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I'm not a Christian, I honestly just like debating moral philosophy and science. But yea I see your point. The truth of it is enough for me though. I don't usually attempt to derive theological, even philosophical, meaning from it.

I think anything that's written in religion can be construed as allegorical: theology is less about objective facts and more about subjective interpretations of written materials. So I tend not to get into debates about what scientific facts mean from a theological perspective, because, for a start: which theological perspective do I even use? Even within Christianity there are a thousand different viewpoints that assert different interpretations of what the age of the universe means for religion.

I like facts precisely because they're facts. For me, they don't need necissarily need an augmentation; they're just true, and that's it.
 
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Yea I don't what happened to my other post to be honest lol. I went to edit it, and I think deleted it by mistake.
 
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Bushido8000 said:
Yeah sorry I just can't buy the young earth theory. Makes no sense to me. The stars that we can see are billions of light-years away. That means it takes light from the stars you see at night a billion years to reach us...meaning that those stars are at least a billion years old.

Also, dinosaurs and prehistoric vegetation.
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Yeah so? It would take another billion to form them...unless... God SPOKE them into existence, light and all.
 
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You guys snigger and sneer at this stuff because it doesn't fit a Young Earth narrative (a narrative which only a tiny minority of CHRISTIANS even believe), but these kinds of findings -- ones that show the age of the Earth to be much older than Young Earth Creationists believe -- are found by the same strict scientific protocols that any historical investigation utilizing the scientific method must abide by.

If you find footprints in the snow you know somebody has walked there, even though you werent there to see the walking. This is the same concept, with higher complexity. You don't sneer when a forensic anthropologist determines that suspect A commited a crime because the mud samples found at the scene have the same unique mineral composition as that which was found on the suspect's shoes, taken from his home after the fact. So why sneer when an evolutionary anthropologist concludes that a fossil found in rock layers must be several million years old due to the rock mineral composition and level of fossilization in the sample?

I'm not intending to be arrogant -- though it may be percieved that way -- but did it ever occur to you that perhaps you simply don't understand the concepts that you would need to understand in order to determine whether this finding is accurate or not?
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As a non-Christian, you have absolutely no foundation from which to reason, to use logic, to argue truth and good and evil. The scientific method itself is founded on the belief that the God of Christianity is true and that the Bible is infallible and accurate. So you were saying? And please, only reason from a purely naturalistic worldview. It doesn't serve you to steal from the Judeo-Christian worldview to argue against such things.
 
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