Attack on our constitution

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peacenik

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They all look very serious..... they need to work on their sense of humor....

Aside from that, Peacnik... if you think that arming yourself and standing outside voting places to try to intimidate voters is a great application of second amendment rights, you are simply a loon with zero credibility.

I have no problem with them being armed, if they are legally eligible to own firearms, but to abuse that right in trying to intimidate white voters (or brown voters, or any other color) is illegal, and they should have been prosecuted and jailed.





Actually the Black Panthers arm themselves to protect the public from police harassment and other trouble makers. As proponents of the 2d Amendment those of you on the far right should be applauding them.

By the way, I'm a former member of the NRA.
 

hornetguy

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Actually the Black Panthers arm themselves to protect the public from police harassment and other trouble makers. As proponents of the 2d Amendment those of you on the far right should be applauding them.

By the way, I'm a former member of the NRA.
That is not the explanation that I heard, and it does not match the description of their bellicose behavior at the polling places.

If there was some type of legitimate threat of "police harassment", then they were within their rights to do that. If that was the case, they would not have been staring down white voters trying to vote there, as was reported.

What type of harassment were they concerned with? And what are the sources of their "concerns"?
 

FlSnookman7

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Wow, peacenik if you think that is the reason the black panthers arm themselves then you really are lost. Research a bit before posting.
 

peacenik

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Wow, peacenik if you think that is the reason the black panthers arm themselves then you really are lost. Research a bit before posting.



Google for yourself and you will see proofs as to why they needed to arm themselves. Again, if you are big defenders of the 2d Amendment you would applaud.
 

hornetguy

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The conduct for which members of the New Black Panther Party were accused of voter intimidation took place on Election Day in November 2008, at a polling station in a predominantly African-American, Democratic voting district of Philadelphia.[SUP][1][/SUP]
Two members of the New Black Panther party, Minister King Samir Shabazz, and Jerry Jackson, stood in front of the entrance to the polling station in uniforms that have been described as military or paramilitary.[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP] Minister King Shabazz carried a billy club, and is reported to have pointed it at voters while both men shouted racial slurs,[SUP][5][/SUP] including phrases such as "white devil" and "you're about to be ruled by the black man, cracker."[SUP][6][/SUP]
The incident drew the attention of police, who around 10:00 am, sent King Samir away in part because of his billy club. Jackson was allowed to stay, in part because he was a certified poll watcher.[SUP][7][/SUP] Stephen Robert Morse, a journalist and filmmaker, upon arriving at the scene, pulled out a Flip video camera and focused on Samir Shabazz. Morse turned over the video of the incident to ElectionJournal.org.[SUP][8][/SUP] The incident gained national attention after being uploaded to YouTube.[SUP][2][/SUP] No complaints were filed by voters about the incident, although poll watchers witnessed some voters approach the polls and then turn away, apparently in response to the New Black Panther Party members.[SUP][9][/SUP]
This is the way the incident was reported on Wikipedia...

Telling white voters "you're about to be ruled by the black man, cracker..." doesn't sound like they were there to prevent any police issues.

The police were not even aware of an incident until about two or more hours into it... That certainly doesn't sound like police harassment to me.
 

hornetguy

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The Department of Justice became aware of the incident on Election Day and started an inquiry. Under the Bush Administration, a criminal investigation into the incident was started, but later dropped.[SUP][10][/SUP] In January 2009, less than two weeks before the Bush Administration left office, the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice filed a civil suit under the Voting Rights Act against four defendants, namely, Minister King Samir Shabazz, Jerry Jackson, NBPP chairman Malik Zulu Shabazz, and the NBPP itself. The lawsuit accused them of using uniforms, racial insults and a weapon to intimidate voters and those who were there to assist them.[SUP][2][/SUP] The case remained open when the Obama administration took office a few weeks later.
In April 2009 Bartle Bull, a former civil rights lawyer who was serving as a poll watcher at the polling station where the incident occurred, submitted an affidavit at the Department of Justice's request supporting the lawsuit, stating that he considered it to have been the most severe instance of voter intimidation he had ever encountered.[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][5][/SUP] When none of the defendants who were charged appeared in court to answer the charges, the career attorneys pursuing the lawsuit assumed that they would win it by default. However the move to pursue a default judgment was overruled by two of their line superiors, Loretta King, who was acting Assistant Attorney General, and Steve Rosenbaum, Acting Deputy Assistant Attorney General.[SUP][3][/SUP]
Your information is wrong, Peacenik, as are your assumptions.

If several white guys, dressed in fatigues, heavily armed, stood outside a predominately white district polling place, telling black voters trying to vote there that they were gonna get sent back to the plantation, do you think anything would have happened to those guys?

SHOULD anything happen to them? By the way, that's a rhetorical question....:rolleyes:
 

peacenik

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This is the way the incident was reported on Wikipedia...

Telling white voters "you're about to be ruled by the black man, cracker..." doesn't sound like they were there to prevent any police issues.

The police were not even aware of an incident until about two or more hours into it... That certainly doesn't sound like police harassment to me.







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Self defense from government oppression. Precisely what 2d Amendment rights advocates say. So why don't you applaud?
 
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It is either a Ruger Mini 14 or Mini 30. I just operated on the assumption that it was the Mini 14 (.223/5.56mm) because I knew where you were going with your post that was directed at Peacenik.
You win the prize which is being correct. It is a Mini 14 .223/5.56.
Same action as an AR 15 without all the dressing.
Does not draw the attention of an AR 15.

Love to say more, but got another 12 hour work day ahead.
 
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Actually the Black Panthers arm themselves to protect the public from police harassment and other trouble makers. As proponents of the 2d Amendment those of you on the far right should be applauding them.

By the way, I'm a former member of the NRA.

Did you switch over to the black panthers?
 
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When a society arms itself and an accident happens, a gun goes off, and someone drops dead is that good or bad?

If no one was armed, and all accidents like this just cause bruises, what would you rather, bruises or dead people?

If across a whole society more people die from these accidents than die from murder, where are the sane people?

It is like the argument about seat belts in cars. Why have them, I feel safer being able to jump out of the car than be strapped in. But the answer was, you need to be strapped in and protected, that is the safest place. Funny that.

Keep people safe away from guns where guns cannot harm them, then no more accidents. Not rocket science.
 
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If we just make death illegal then problem solved...right?
 

Dude653

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I would advise the Orlando gay community to arm themselves
 

Desdichado

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When a society arms itself and an accident happens, a gun goes off, and someone drops dead is that good or bad?

If no one was armed, and all accidents like this just cause bruises, what would you rather, bruises or dead people?

If across a whole society more people die from these accidents than die from murder, where are the sane people?

It is like the argument about seat belts in cars. Why have them, I feel safer being able to jump out of the car than be strapped in. But the answer was, you need to be strapped in and protected, that is the safest place. Funny that.

Keep people safe away from guns where guns cannot harm them, then no more accidents. Not rocket science.
One of your nations greatest leaders said there is no such thing as society. I think she was on to something.
 

hornetguy

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When a society arms itself and an accident happens, a gun goes off, and someone drops dead is that good or bad?

If no one was armed, and all accidents like this just cause bruises, what would you rather, bruises or dead people?

If across a whole society more people die from these accidents than die from murder, where are the sane people?

It is like the argument about seat belts in cars. Why have them, I feel safer being able to jump out of the car than be strapped in. But the answer was, you need to be strapped in and protected, that is the safest place. Funny that.

Keep people safe away from guns where guns cannot harm them, then no more accidents. Not rocket science.
Except for that pesky little thing called the US Constitution. We have RIGHTS, God given and government recognized.

You cannot make something idiot-proof..... they just keep coming up with better idiots.

Responsible use and ownership is the only solution.

The last time I checked, more children were killed drowning in 5 gal buckets than by guns...

There are accidents with guns, where people get killed.... but there are exponentially more accidental deaths by automobiles...I'm talking about true accidents... kids getting backed over in their driveway, kids being left in cars... look at the Star Wars star that just died a couple of days ago, he got run over by his own car in the driveway. And driving a car is not even a RIGHT... it's a privilege.

The largest cause of accidental death in America? Doctor caused.... death by doctor.
 

hornetguy

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Keep people safe away from guns where guns cannot harm them, then no more accidents. Not rocket science.
Ok... if preventing "preventable" deaths is the goal, we should go for the biggest contributors..

Automobile deaths account for a HUGE number of deaths. Studies have shown that if the speed of a vehicle is lowered, the odds of serious injury or death goes WAY down.

So, I propose that we pass laws that require all vehicles to be limited to a maximum speed of 40 mph. Cars driven by anyone under the age of 25 will be limited to 30 mph. The technology is available.

I also propose that every car has to have a jamming device for cell phones. The phones are jammed from use unless the car is in "Park". The technology is available, or can be created fairly easily.

I also propose that every vehicle has an interlock "breathalyzer" that will prevent the car from starting if the breathalyzer is not satisfied. Technology is available, and in use for DWI offenders.

Would you vote for that? Think of all the lives that would be saved... senseless deaths of teenagers and children. The number of lives saved would DWARF the number of lives saved by waving a magic wand and eliminating all guns.

Do you truly wish to save as many lives as possible, or do you simply want to get rid of our guns?
 

hornetguy

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Why don't you join them and openly endorse their 2d Amendment rights?
It's pretty obvious that you don't wish to have a civil, REAL discussion about this. All you seem to want to do is make snide comments about a situation that has been proven to be NOT what you originally stated it to be.

What is your agenda with this discussion?
 

peacenik

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It's pretty obvious that you don't wish to have a civil, REAL discussion about this. All you seem to want to do is make snide comments about a situation that has been proven to be NOT what you originally stated it to be.

What is your agenda with this discussion?


Just a second there, buddy.

It's he who made the insinuation about joining them. How about spreading your poisonous pen to his comments since he started it?
 

Desdichado

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Just a second there, buddy.

It's he who made the insinuation about joining them. How about spreading your poisonous pen to his comments since he started it?
Because you clearly delight in trolling. It's okay though. I'm laughing. The pics were priceless.
 
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Why don't you join them and openly endorse their 2d Amendment rights?

Because I don't endorse intimidating people at the polls to endorse their fascist liberal agenda. Whether they use baseball bats or guns.