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Quote "America is not a religious country. Prayer, scripture and corporeal punishment can all be twisted to the Devil's use. Spanking children teaches children violence, it teaches them that adults rule by tyranny and force, the bigger, stronger person rules over smaller, weaker people. Of course children need discipline, but not by hitting, that should be out of modern society."
Man,I wish I had you around when I was a kid. I dont think that speech would work on my father,but it would be worth a try. He went by....
Pr 22:15 Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it FARRR from him/her.
Well, according to Dianne Sawyer and FBI statistics, there have been 50 school shootings or attempted shootings since Columbine, in what, 1999?
Math was not one of my better subjects, but I don't think that adds up to one every 13 days since 2013.
Sensationalism, hoping nobody checks it out? At one every 13 days, that wouldn't even be two years' worth..... and it's been three and a half years since 2013 began ....
Math was not one of my better subjects, but I don't think that adds up to one every 13 days since 2013.
Sensationalism, hoping nobody checks it out? At one every 13 days, that wouldn't even be two years' worth..... and it's been three and a half years since 2013 began ....
Typical liberal gobbely goop. You should have seen the schools here in America in the '50's when those three were in place. The worse offense going was spit wads, gum under the chair and pulling the girls hair. Those 3 fell in the '60's and so also the culture.
Pro 23:13-14 Do not hold back discipline from the child, Although you beat him with the rod, he will not die. You shall beat him with the rod, And deliver his soul from Sheol.
Pro 13:24 He who spares his rod hates his son, But he who loves him disciplines him diligently.
Pro 29:15 The rod and reproof give wisdom, But a child who gets his own way brings shame to his mother.
Pro 29:17 Correct your son, and he will give you comfort; He will also delight your soul.
Pro 19:18 Discipline your son while there is hope, And do not desire his death.
Pro 23:13-14 Do not hold back discipline from the child, Although you beat him with the rod, he will not die. You shall beat him with the rod, And deliver his soul from Sheol.
Pro 13:24 He who spares his rod hates his son, But he who loves him disciplines him diligently.
Pro 29:15 The rod and reproof give wisdom, But a child who gets his own way brings shame to his mother.
Pro 29:17 Correct your son, and he will give you comfort; He will also delight your soul.
Pro 19:18 Discipline your son while there is hope, And do not desire his death.
As for the premise of the OP, if you want even more gun violence, try banning guns. I will continue to maintain that gun confiscation would be an extremely bloody affair that would only result in dead citizens, dead federal agents, and maybe even trigger secession and civil war.
No thanks. If your concern is people dying from gunshot wounds, then I implore you to find a way that doesn't involve more people dying from gunshot wounds.
No thanks. If your concern is people dying from gunshot wounds, then I implore you to find a way that doesn't involve more people dying from gunshot wounds.
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What if the person shot is a trespasser? What about the stand your ground legislation? Why don't you read yourself up on the Constitution before you are sentencing people to death?
A lot of the people being shot are criminals failing to surrender...should the police officers taking them out be receiving death sentences after doing what is their job?
If this was how laws were being passed...well...lol...
A lot of the people being shot are criminals failing to surrender...should the police officers taking them out be receiving death sentences after doing what is their job?
If this was how laws were being passed...well...lol...
My chief concern as a patriot right now is the social fabric of our country. Since 1865, we have been able to maintain such a reasonable standard for separating politics from violence within our country. Different groups were satisfied with a mainstream American culture that made room for various sub-cultures.
Of late, heavy handed legal action and government propaganda have torn this fabric asunder. That is what gun confiscation and gun control really is- it isn't about public safety. It's about knowingly implementing useless statistics and twisted logic to turn one group of Americans against another (not to mention radicalizing the young so may middle age experience will be really fun). In the end we will be weakened, and weakness is never good for public safety.
Of late, heavy handed legal action and government propaganda have torn this fabric asunder. That is what gun confiscation and gun control really is- it isn't about public safety. It's about knowingly implementing useless statistics and twisted logic to turn one group of Americans against another (not to mention radicalizing the young so may middle age experience will be really fun). In the end we will be weakened, and weakness is never good for public safety.
I personally know the pain of the "discipline rod" My parents spanked me when I was a little child. Worse, I was sent to this horrible private Christian school, a fundamentalist school, they spanked my sister for no reason, and they threatened to spank me and scared me, demanded too much out of me. They made me hate school, I never liked school and had trouble with homework and schoolwork all because of them. They piled on homework starting in kindergarten. The teacher wanted to send me to the principle's office for a spanking because I had a hard time reciting my phone number and address.
In kindergarten 4 the teacher had all the kids sitting at their desks, the boy was passing out pencils, papers, teacher told us not to talk, the little boy told me not to touch my pencil, teacher said who talked, the little girl next to me pointed to me, teacher yelled or grabbed my face, said keep your little mouth shut. Other teachers I had problems with.
In public school I was sent to the school psychiatrist. My parents sometimes spanked me unfairly, and in public school spanking is not allowed. I think spanking is illegal all across the USA. It's called child abuse.
Have you heard of parents who beat their children to death? Now how does that help 'correct' them? I have heard of situations where babies and toddlers have been killed, murdered, by people trying to "discipline" them. Young children are very delicate and can easily be injured.
In kindergarten 4 the teacher had all the kids sitting at their desks, the boy was passing out pencils, papers, teacher told us not to talk, the little boy told me not to touch my pencil, teacher said who talked, the little girl next to me pointed to me, teacher yelled or grabbed my face, said keep your little mouth shut. Other teachers I had problems with.
In public school I was sent to the school psychiatrist. My parents sometimes spanked me unfairly, and in public school spanking is not allowed. I think spanking is illegal all across the USA. It's called child abuse.
Have you heard of parents who beat their children to death? Now how does that help 'correct' them? I have heard of situations where babies and toddlers have been killed, murdered, by people trying to "discipline" them. Young children are very delicate and can easily be injured.
I am not for banning guns completely. There should be background checks, people should have to wait four days before receiving their guns. If someone is a convicted criminal, on a terrorists watch list, or seriously mentally ill, they should not be allowed to have a gun. Assault rifles that are so dangerous that shoot out bullet after bullet, they should not be allowed for ordinary civilians outside the military. Assault rifles should only be for military use, machine guns are so dangerous. People should be able to have rifles for hunting, and perhaps handguns for protection. They should take a class on gun safety, that should be mandatory.
Do you really want blood on your hands? Think about it. Think about everything Jesus said. he taught us to turn the other cheek and love, pray for our enemies. Love each other. He came so we can have life, life to the fullest.
Do you really want blood on your hands? Think about it. Think about everything Jesus said. he taught us to turn the other cheek and love, pray for our enemies. Love each other. He came so we can have life, life to the fullest.
Well, you have pretty accurately described the system that is currently in place. We have had mandatory background checks in place for at least 20 years now.
Machine guns are illegal to own, unless you pay a $200 fee, and pass a VERY stringent FBI background check.
The term "assault rifle" used today is incorrect, but describes any semi-automatic (autoloading) rifle or shotgun. This includes hunting rifles and shotguns and rimfire rifles (rabbit guns, so to speak). To blanketly ban "assault rifles" would go a long way toward gutting the primary reason for the 2nd amendment.
A gun safety class is a good idea... I highly recommend everyone take one.
Machine guns are illegal to own, unless you pay a $200 fee, and pass a VERY stringent FBI background check.
The term "assault rifle" used today is incorrect, but describes any semi-automatic (autoloading) rifle or shotgun. This includes hunting rifles and shotguns and rimfire rifles (rabbit guns, so to speak). To blanketly ban "assault rifles" would go a long way toward gutting the primary reason for the 2nd amendment.
A gun safety class is a good idea... I highly recommend everyone take one.
I'll be honest with you folks. At least 50% of the people that I know who are under thirty years old should be banned from possessing any type of gun. Most haven't had any firearm safety education. They spend their days on some type of violent video game. They have little to no concept of problem resolution ability. Many are on some type of legal or illegal drugs. I can go on and on.
This is coming from an old man who grew up with a house full of guns, raised his children the same way, and ensured that every grandchild had firearm training. I realized that my firearms had to be locked in a safe when my youngest son had a friend over who just couldn't keep his hands of any gun in my house. Today I keep even keep my crossbows and archery weapons, along with my hunting knives and all ammo under lock and key. In today's world, this is the prudent thing to do. I also keep my concealed carry weapons locked up when they are no in use. If you won't commit to this level of firearm care, you shouldn't have any.
This is coming from an old man who grew up with a house full of guns, raised his children the same way, and ensured that every grandchild had firearm training. I realized that my firearms had to be locked in a safe when my youngest son had a friend over who just couldn't keep his hands of any gun in my house. Today I keep even keep my crossbows and archery weapons, along with my hunting knives and all ammo under lock and key. In today's world, this is the prudent thing to do. I also keep my concealed carry weapons locked up when they are no in use. If you won't commit to this level of firearm care, you shouldn't have any.
I think that's a question on the federal form that you fill out when buying a gun...
"Are you, or have you ever been determined to be a jerk"
Actually, I'm more disturbed by jerks that own cars...
"Are you, or have you ever been determined to be a jerk"
Actually, I'm more disturbed by jerks that own cars...
We're from a different generation of gun owners than the generation that is purchasing them today. I suspect that you taught firearm responsibility to your children too. Believe it or not, we're in the minority today. I believe that it is time firearm owners at least have the same level of training as drivers have. At least we need to require firearms safety course certificate and positive identification before the firearm exchanges hands.
I would disagree with the way you were treated as well. But it doesn't make disciplining your child in love a problem. It makes hitting them out of spite a problem. Spanking a child after your temper has cooled and because they challenge your authority is something that is done for their own good. Children have to learn to respect authority or they may never when they grow up. That could create serious problems.
Of course you experienced the other side of the coin. You were not loved. You were not disciplined in a loving way with restraint and with your best interests in mind. That can also breed rebellion to authority in a child. The Bible has the right answer: discipline your child to save their life. Don't do it simply because you are mad.
When my dad would spank me as a child he'd say: how old are you? I'd save 7. Then he'd take his belt off and give me 7 whallups. And, boy, they stung. But they never left marks. I'm sorry for your experiences, Seraph. I was also spanked in school as a kid, but I only bragged about that. Gave me a little more self-confidence even.
Of course you experienced the other side of the coin. You were not loved. You were not disciplined in a loving way with restraint and with your best interests in mind. That can also breed rebellion to authority in a child. The Bible has the right answer: discipline your child to save their life. Don't do it simply because you are mad.
When my dad would spank me as a child he'd say: how old are you? I'd save 7. Then he'd take his belt off and give me 7 whallups. And, boy, they stung. But they never left marks. I'm sorry for your experiences, Seraph. I was also spanked in school as a kid, but I only bragged about that. Gave me a little more self-confidence even.
I agree with hornetguy. Most of what you suggest is already the law, and you do have one misconception of what an assault rifle is. I keep hearing the Dems cry "evil assault rifles", but there is no difference between what they call an "assault rifle" and a regular rifle that you would use for hunting. They are not automatic rifles. Those are banned, and you cannot get one unless you pay a hefty fine and pass an FBI background check. Even after that you can only legally buy automatic rifles that were made before a certain year, and sometimes only if you're a licensed gun dealer. Not to mention there are already some stricter laws than some of your suggestions. For example, if you shoot someone to defend the life of your brother or sister in Oklahoma, then I believe that's considered murder. You first have to attack someone without using a gun to try to defend your brother. Then when the person turns on you while you are defending the life of your sibling and you feel that your life is in immediate danger, only then can you legally use a gun. Even after all of that you will still go to jail for a period of time.
Also you can't ban people from their 2nd Amendment right simply because the FBI has arbitrarily placed them on some list. The Constitution guarantees that our 2nd Amendment right (as well as our First, Third, Fourth, or any of the other rights) shall not be infringed without due process. There is currently no legal process the FBI goes through to place people on a terrorist watch list. So what you suggest would give someone a very scary power: the ability to arbitrarily take your Constitutional rights away. And you'd have to beg them to get those rights back. And they would neither be inclined nor obligated to give your right back to you. Not to mention that it would set a scary precedent. If your suggestion was accepted as law, then eventually people would see no need to grant us due process for any of our rights. And our rights would be stripped from us one-by-one.
Also you can't ban people from their 2nd Amendment right simply because the FBI has arbitrarily placed them on some list. The Constitution guarantees that our 2nd Amendment right (as well as our First, Third, Fourth, or any of the other rights) shall not be infringed without due process. There is currently no legal process the FBI goes through to place people on a terrorist watch list. So what you suggest would give someone a very scary power: the ability to arbitrarily take your Constitutional rights away. And you'd have to beg them to get those rights back. And they would neither be inclined nor obligated to give your right back to you. Not to mention that it would set a scary precedent. If your suggestion was accepted as law, then eventually people would see no need to grant us due process for any of our rights. And our rights would be stripped from us one-by-one.
I think that's a question on the federal form that you fill out when buying a gun...
"Are you, or have you ever been determined to be a jerk"
Actually, I'm more disturbed by jerks that own cars...
"Are you, or have you ever been determined to be a jerk"
Actually, I'm more disturbed by jerks that own cars...
How do we legally define jerk.
As a gun-owner under 30, I'm quite glad no laws have been enacted abrogating my right to carry. Otherwise I would have been six feet under at age 24.