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The Conservative Tree House is not exactly a great source of investigative journalism, but I really think they've done a pretty good job with the un-reported layers of the case.
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Fact: Philando Castile wasn't even driving; he was a passenger.
Fact: The cop asked for ID from Philando Castile.
Question: Is it standard protocol for a cop to ask for ID from passengers? I'm curious why Philando was asked for ID when he wasn't the driver and it was for a broken tail light. We will have to wait and see.
Fact: Philando Castile informed the cop he was armed and has a permit for it.
Fact: Philando Castile reached for his wallet but was ordered to disobey his first command (to show ID).
Question: Did Philando Castile reach for his wallet prior to informing the cop he has a gun and permit? Either way, being shot 4 times for complying with a direct order (to show ID) is unjustified.
Fact: Philando Castile never stopped reaching for his wallet to comply with the officer's second order which according to the video was to "keep his hands open". Having already reached behind himself to grab his wallet to show ID, Philando brings his hand back up (without wallet/gun) and was shot multiple times in doing so.
Question: Why didn't the cop take a defensive position like he was trained to do in the event Philando was dumb enough to inform a cop he has a weapon and intended to use it to fire on the officer?
My opinion from the facts/evidence we have so far: I believe the cop DID NOT murder Philando Castile. This is more in line with manslaughter. The officer exercised poor decision making by being in a high state of alert and unjustifiably killed an innocent man who wasn't even the driver of the automotive vehicle. The officer not only took Castile's life, but he risked the lives of a 4 year old child and woman by pumping Castile with bullets. In doing so, his daughter runs a high probability of suffering psychological trauma. May God help her and his entire family.
Fact: The cop asked for ID from Philando Castile.
Question: Is it standard protocol for a cop to ask for ID from passengers? I'm curious why Philando was asked for ID when he wasn't the driver and it was for a broken tail light. We will have to wait and see.
Fact: Philando Castile informed the cop he was armed and has a permit for it.
Fact: Philando Castile reached for his wallet but was ordered to disobey his first command (to show ID).
Question: Did Philando Castile reach for his wallet prior to informing the cop he has a gun and permit? Either way, being shot 4 times for complying with a direct order (to show ID) is unjustified.
Fact: Philando Castile never stopped reaching for his wallet to comply with the officer's second order which according to the video was to "keep his hands open". Having already reached behind himself to grab his wallet to show ID, Philando brings his hand back up (without wallet/gun) and was shot multiple times in doing so.
Question: Why didn't the cop take a defensive position like he was trained to do in the event Philando was dumb enough to inform a cop he has a weapon and intended to use it to fire on the officer?
My opinion from the facts/evidence we have so far: I believe the cop DID NOT murder Philando Castile. This is more in line with manslaughter. The officer exercised poor decision making by being in a high state of alert and unjustifiably killed an innocent man who wasn't even the driver of the automotive vehicle. The officer not only took Castile's life, but he risked the lives of a 4 year old child and woman by pumping Castile with bullets. In doing so, his daughter runs a high probability of suffering psychological trauma. May God help her and his entire family.
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I like to consider myself to be quite objective and open-minded.
What facts could we be made away of that would justify the killing? The only one I can think of is if Castile reached for his gun. Besides that, Castile could have called the officer's mother every name in the book, and it still wouldn't justify his death.
What facts could we be made away of that would justify the killing? The only one I can think of is if Castile reached for his gun. Besides that, Castile could have called the officer's mother every name in the book, and it still wouldn't justify his death.
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Notice the defensive position the officer is in. He is behind the driver's side door in the event the driver does in fact pull out a weapon. This is text-book training.
Now then, we know Castile wasn't even the driver. The officer could have done this with the passenger side. What I'm curious to find out is the officer's motive to go to the passenger side and ask ID from Castile. Maybe the officer had a justifiable reason/explanation... I hope for his sake he does as the current evidence is stacked against him. I also want to know if the officer had any audio and pray it doesn't conveniently "get lost."
Notice the defensive position the officer is in. He is behind the driver's side door in the event the driver does in fact pull out a weapon. This is text-book training.
Now then, we know Castile wasn't even the driver. The officer could have done this with the passenger side. What I'm curious to find out is the officer's motive to go to the passenger side and ask ID from Castile. Maybe the officer had a justifiable reason/explanation... I hope for his sake he does as the current evidence is stacked against him. I also want to know if the officer had any audio and pray it doesn't conveniently "get lost."
All seemingly accurate and I agree with your assessments.
The guy got himself shot because he triggered an alert situation, and the officer was overly reactive from that point on. Not a time at all for a detainee to be doing dumb things like reaching for anything.
One question that has bugged me from the beginning is that I think we are all getting very used to inciting people starting their videos before an arresting officer (that means one who stops you) even comes close to the car. He is on camera from the first, so that we can all hear the excess use of an exaggerated use of "Sir" repeatedly uttered by the "victims."
But not an instant of that kind of almost standard response is recorded here. Or, WAS it recorded, and not shown..... erased, to start over, only after the guy got shot?
The guy got himself shot because he triggered an alert situation, and the officer was overly reactive from that point on. Not a time at all for a detainee to be doing dumb things like reaching for anything.
One question that has bugged me from the beginning is that I think we are all getting very used to inciting people starting their videos before an arresting officer (that means one who stops you) even comes close to the car. He is on camera from the first, so that we can all hear the excess use of an exaggerated use of "Sir" repeatedly uttered by the "victims."
But not an instant of that kind of almost standard response is recorded here. Or, WAS it recorded, and not shown..... erased, to start over, only after the guy got shot?
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I think these "facts" are irrelevant to Philando Castile's death. It's a great discussion to have, but highly inappropriate when talking about this incident.
It's like turning the conversation of rape into alcohol abuse on college campuses. Yes, we know alcohol is a problem, but having the conversation when talking about a rape is highly inappropriate. Rape is unjustifiable. Once rape is addressed/properly handled, then it would be fair to discuss the problem with alcohol, independently of rape.
It's like turning the conversation of rape into alcohol abuse on college campuses. Yes, we know alcohol is a problem, but having the conversation when talking about a rape is highly inappropriate. Rape is unjustifiable. Once rape is addressed/properly handled, then it would be fair to discuss the problem with alcohol, independently of rape.
Check out this link . Apparently Mr. Castile matched the description of an armed robbery suspect. That would render the "busted tail light" a pretense and explain both the interest in Castile and the seemingly inordinate level of alertness.
There was also a weapon on Mr. Castile's knee that looks similar to (not ready to say identical) to the one in the CCTV footage.
The local sheriffs office also denied that Mr. Castile ever applied for a permit (not that he should need one, but that's my inner minarchist showing a tad too much leg).
There was also a weapon on Mr. Castile's knee that looks similar to (not ready to say identical) to the one in the CCTV footage.
The local sheriffs office also denied that Mr. Castile ever applied for a permit (not that he should need one, but that's my inner minarchist showing a tad too much leg).
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I have a difficult time saying "Castile got himself killed because triggered an alert reaction." It appears he was complying with the first command from the officer before/after he informed the officer he had a weapon and permit for it. Maybe it was unwise or not the best decision he made, but nevertheless, it does not warrant being killed in front of your daughter and fiance. Castile was in complete compliance with the law from what we know.
That's like saying a woman wearing a mini skirt "got herself raped" by triggering a hormonal male. No no no no... the victim didn't do anything [legal or illegal] to get raped.
That's like saying a woman wearing a mini skirt "got herself raped" by triggering a hormonal male. No no no no... the victim didn't do anything [legal or illegal] to get raped.