Bernie or Bust?

[Voldemort]

I, and others, have stated that sometimes a pledge is made prior to unethical events occurring. As a result of said occurrences, those pledges can justifiably be abdicated.

Many Trump supporters (including a big handful that post here) think it doesn't matter what happens, when you make a pledge, you stick to it. You can dislike the guy, take him out and beat him up, but you "hold true to your word" and honor your pledge. For this reason, Cruz is a liar and untrustworthy in their eyes.

My question: Do you think Bernie is acting honorably for sticking to his pledge? Or do you think he is enabling Hillary, that no matter what she does, she will not have any responsibility for her unethical behavior? If Bernie decided NOT to hold true to his pledge, would he be a liar like some think Ted Cruz is?

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

I, and others, have stated that sometimes a pledge is made prior to unethical events occurring. As a result of said occurrences, those pledges can justifiably be abdicated.

Many Trump supporters (including a big handful that post here) think it doesn't matter what happens, when you make a pledge, you stick to it. You can dislike the guy, take him out and beat him up, but you "hold true to your word" and honor your pledge. For this reason, Cruz is a liar and untrustworthy in their eyes.

My question: Do you think Bernie is acting honorably for sticking to his pledge? Or do you think he is enabling Hillary, that no matter what she does, she will not have any responsibility for her unethical behavior? If Bernie decided NOT to hold true to his pledge, would he be a liar like some think Ted Cruz is?

i am consistent on this...

sanders would be entirely within his rights to withdraw his endorsement and strongly question the legitimacy of hillary clinton as the democratic party's nominee...

when you cheat to win...your victory should not be recognized...

maybe we can put an asterisk next to hillary clinton's name on the ballot like they wanted to do when all of those baseball players were caught taking steroids...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

i find it ironic though that RNC chairman reince priebus called on democrats to 'vote their conscience'...

this was less than a week after his own party machine bosses whipped up boos and chants against ted cruz for suggesting that republicans vote their conscience...

 

[Voldemort]

i am consistent on this...

sanders would be entirely within his rights to withdraw his endorsement and strongly question the legitimacy of hillary clinton as the democratic party's nominee...

when you cheat to win...your victory should not be recognized...

maybe we can put an asterisk next to hillary clinton's name on the ballot like they wanted to do when all of those baseball players were caught taking steroids...

I agree 100% with you sister. I actually admire Bernie more than I do Trump or Hillary. I wouldn't trust Trump or Hillary to water my vegetable garden while I'm out of town. I would trust Bernie with the keys to my entire property.

Having said that, I am disappointed in Bernie for not breaking his pledge. His pledge, like Cruz's, was abdicated the second unethical behavior took place. We shouldn't reward this behavior, we shouldn't bow down to it. We can forgive, but we can forgive without endorsing unethical behavior.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

it is really getting to the point where there has just been so much misconduct and illegal activity and gaming of the system and even foreign interference on both sides that i am beginning to consider this entire election to be invalid as a representation of the will of the american people regardless of how it turns out...

i may just end up being a political sedevacantist for the next four years...no legitimate president...

 

[zeroturbulence]

How about thinking of it this way....

If a soldier pledges to serve his country and die to protect it... then one day that soldier finds out from a secret source that all the bullets he'd been given for battle were duds to make sure he can never win a battle against the enemy... does that soldier have a right to denounce his pledge??

I say yes because he made that pledge under the pretense that he would be well equipped to carry out his duty to the best of his ability. Since his ability to carry out his duty was taken from him, he should be allowed to quit and cancel his pledge.

With that said, I have a lot of respect for Bernie for sticking to his word, although I would have understood if he did not. That's the sign of an honest man.

 

[jennymae]

Divide et Impera (Divide and Rule) comes to mind. I'm not sure who established the maxim first, many names are attributed to it, but here is a little somehing describing it.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/programs/olin_center/papers/pdf/Vermeule_639.pdf

And here is from Wikipedia:

Divide and rule (or divide and conquer, from Latin dīvide et īmpera) in politics and sociology is gaining and maintaining power by breaking up larger concentrations of power into pieces that individually have less power than the one implementing the strategy. The concept refers to a strategy that breaks up existing power structures, and especially prevents smaller power groups from linking up, causing rivalries and fomenting discord among the people.

Compared to this years general there is a lot of signs indicating that this maxim is in play. The electorate is divided to put it politely, and is fighting each other like there was no tomorrow. It is namecalling, violence and fraud all over the place, and nobody seems to mind. It is chaos. I don't think this is good.

People are somewhat free to think foreign powers stirring the pot is ok, but keep legislation in mind:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-115

WikiLeaks is not a domestic organization and should not have a say here. Believing organizations like that are all good is naïve. On the contrary, they are more like drug dealers, giving people what they want for free, and once you're addicted to whatever substance they have been giving you, they'll squeeze you.

 

[feelhim]

it is really getting to the point where there has just been so much misconduct and illegal activity and gaming of the system and even foreign interference on both sides that i am beginning to consider this entire election to be invalid as a representation of the will of the american people regardless of how it turns out...

i may just end up being a political sedevacantist for the next four years...no legitimate president...

well...besides Gary Johnson

[video=youtube;wp95UkQSk1M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp95UkQSk1M[/video]

 

[shrimp]

Please consider Darrell Castle while you research and pray on your vote.

Back to topic: should Bernie withdraw his endorsement? Absolutely. Will he? Probably not, he seems like a tired, servile old dog; the kind of man who will bow and scrape to the Clintons in order to keep his position or get a better one.

 

[feelhim]

Please consider Darrell Castle while you research and pray on your vote.

Back to topic: should Bernie withdraw his endorsement? Absolutely. Will he? Probably not, he seems like a tired, servile old dog; the kind of man who will bow and scrape to the Clintons in order to keep his position or get a better one.

He isn't even on the ballot :/ I tend to agree with some of the things he stands on minus constitution preservation. What is his stance on the war on drugs and the Middle East?

 

[shrimp]

He isn't even on the ballot :/ I tend to agree with some of the things he stands on minus constitution preservation. What is his stance on the war on drugs and the Middle East?

They are working on the ballot issue, unfortunately it costs a lot of money and some pull but with some fundraising they appear to be getting the job done in a few states. Those states that don't have him on the ballot it is encouraged that the people write him in.
Why wouldn't you want to preserve the Constitution? It is an amazing document that is still very relevant today.
I don't know what his stance is on the war on drugs and as far as the Middle East goes, I only know his stance on funding other nations. Castle strongly opposes the funding of other nations, including allied nations. If you want to know more I can see if I can ask him or you can ask him, which ever makes you more comfortable. His FB is https://www.facebook.com/DarrellCastle2016/
Twitter https://twitter.com/DarrellCastle?lang=en
I gotta say Castle is more into FB than Twitter.
And if you want to listen to some of his podcasts or read them: Castle 2016 - Darrell Castle for President
If you want to know more about the Constitution Party: https://www.constitutionparty.com/

And I would be a complete bummer if I didn't tell you about his daughter's Youtube channel. She's a comedian and she's pretty fun about her Dad's candidacy. Red White and Dad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXAMx3vO2CE

 

[shrimp]

Concerning what states have him on the ballot: Ballot Access | The Constitution Party

 

[Billyd]

I believe that every democrat who voted for Bernie, should write his name in on the ballot in November. No ifs, ands or buts.

 

[Willie-T]

The "party" system is a shame.

It is similar to choosing to go with either "Law" or "Grace", without considering Christ.

 

[Willie-T]

I believe that every democrat who voted for Bernie, should write his name in on the ballot in November. No ifs, ands or buts.

Are we talking about the same Bernie who, just last night, said it was deplorable that BO started his first term facing a $1.4 Trillion debt? Hasn't the debt today, eight years later, soared to $20 Trillion?

Ya know, just about everything I heard them complaining about last night were things they have had control over for eight solid years. They claim Republicans blocked them, yet they certainly had no trouble getting all sorts of things pushed through when they really wanted to.

And I still think every American should keep coming back to just who is going to pay for all of Bernie's free stuff? Why do you think Socialism has failed everywhere it is tried? Yes, it works fine till we drain all the true earners and contributors dry. Then, there is nothing left.

You want to pay a hamburger flipper $15 or $20 an hour. But, you yourself, are not willing to pay the $12 or $13 dollars it would then cost you to buy a burger. A value-meal would soon cost $25.

The question is simple. Who is going to pay for all the freebees? Bleeding prosperous achievers and contributors won't last long.

And don't get me started on the racial divide the Democrats have promoted. It is worse today than it has ever been in our history.

 

[jennymae]

Society of today is very complex. Many individuals are not capable of handling this complexity. Being intelligent is more important now than only few years back. Individuals not measuring up to these standards will before long end up on welfare due to their lack of skills. Simultaneously we are exporting jobs that fits these people, leaving them jobless.

 

[Willie-T]

Even so much of the platform of the Democrats is bogus.

Global Warming. Oh, come on!

Let's say it is all true. (Right!) What is drastically increasing the cost of doing business in our relatively small part of the world, due to creating even more and more government jobs to feign "regulation" going to do to reduce "Global Warming," worldwide? Next to nothing. All it does is make the burden of supporting a fat, lazy government even more of a strain with each passing year.

 

[jennymae]

Global warming gives science a bad name. The collection of evidence is not impressing. Yet it is an established dogma. In a couple of million years we may can be able to make a qualified guess...it's reminds me of that book "The Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy", where the answer 42 was the outcome of a process taking millions of years Global warming, though, we have learned enough about in a few decades...you gotta love some scientists...

 

[Voldemort]

Back to topic: should Bernie withdraw his endorsement? Absolutely. Will he? Probably not, he seems like a tired, servile old dog; the kind of man who will bow and scrape to the Clintons in order to keep his position or get a better one.

I disagree entirely with the bold. Bernie has never sold out his ideals for anyone. His weakness is that he runs too honorable of a campaign needed to win in today's political environment. He isn't a sellout, he is just wanting to unite his party, even at the expense of the unethical behavior from Clinton/DNC. Disappointing, but I respect him more than Hillary and Trump combined.

 

[jennymae]

I don't agree with Bernie on a lot of issues...but I would support him over Hillary and Donald, because they both come across like two dishonest politicians. Unfortunately honesty went even further down the drain this general...