Australia probes youth detention abuse likened to Guantanamo

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trofimus

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Tintin

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It's absolutely horrible and it's being investigated. This is not on. This is not humane.
 
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Mitspa

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You guys will do whatever your government tells you to do and you will like it! You have no guns ..you have no power ..suckers!
 
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Tintin

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You guys will do whatever your government tells you to do and you will like it! You have no guns ..you have no power ..suckers!
Brother, was that really necessary or even relevant? Sometimes I wonder if you enjoy creating conflict.
 
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Mitspa

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Just making a point ..you aussies always seem to want to chime in on our gun debates ...there is a reason we have guns and a reason we aim to keep them ... You guys have no real power to stop your government from doing whatever they want. If you guys are smart you will get your guns back because this world is going to grow darker and more evil ..how will you defend your children?
 

breno785au

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Just making a point ..you aussies always seem to want to chime in on our gun debates ...there is a reason we have guns and a reason we aim to keep them ... You guys have no real power to stop your government from doing whatever they want. If you guys are smart you will get your guns back because this world is going to grow darker and more evil ..how will you defend your children?
Eh? This is about teenagers in detention being inhumanely treated, if the kids somehow had guns in children's prison, what would they do? Shoot them? Their in detention centres man!
 
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Just making a point ..you aussies always seem to want to chime in on our gun debates ...there is a reason we have guns and a reason we aim to keep them ... You guys have no real power to stop your government from doing whatever they want. If you guys are smart you will get your guns back because this world is going to grow darker and more evil ..how will you defend your children?
I was a group home parent for an American Children's Center. The kids at that center were all 12-18 years old and either juvenile delinquents or deserted by their parents. They were sent to the home we lived in (and the center paid for) as a reward for being relatively good for a short period of time or for not deserving to be in that center at all. Two of the boys we had landed there because their parents declared they were damaged goods -- one kid was adopted with his brother by a woman who lived 1000 miles from the adoption center, and that kid was dumped off because, at the ripe old age of 7, he couldn't keep still during that 1000 mile drive and then had the audacity to push his mother away after she hit his penis repeatedly with a ruler and she fell into a glass top coffee table. (He lived with the guilt, and she thought she proved her point that something was wrong with him.) The other kid got the words "saw" and "was" mixed up in kindergarten, so his mother was sure he had dyslexia making him damaged goods. (Everyone of my siblings and I got mixed up with those two words. Only one of us has dyslexia.) The rest of them were so beyond control, their parents couldn't deal with them. One was out and out dangerous to the point he raped a little neighborhood girl while under our care.

Matter of fact, that was why we quit that job, because the Center told us to keep quiet about it or we'd be sued. (I did tell a judge later when they asked me if that boy should be emancipated.)

The psychiatrist at that center taught all the boys that their actions had everything to do with peer pressure. The boys used that, until we asked them what peer pressure meant. None of them knew.

The counselors, who were really there as enforcers, and, as you can now imagine, were needed as enforcers, were hired for their size and strength. The "little guy" was only 5'10" and 240 pounds. Their job was to body slam the kids when needed. They also taught the difference between what was acceptable and what wasn't. What wasn't should never be done around them, or they had to stop it. What wasn't acceptable was to attack troublemakers with large bars of soup wrapped in a long sock and used as a whip to punish any child after the counselors withheld privileges on all the kids for the one child that did something wrong. Yeah, I mean the counselors taught the kids the trick with the soap in the sock before telling them not to do that after they were punished for what that child did.

And the kids listened. They waited for the counselor to leave before they got the soap and socks out and did just that. The boy was bruised from head to toe. And that boy was as sweet and innocent as that boy in the video throwing metal furniture at the window to try to get out.

So, you're going to suggest guns would have solved Australia's problems like we've solved ours? You don't even have a clue we HAVEN'T solved our problems. Making sure you don't know what happens inside the foster care system is a grand way of avoiding solving the problem!

I hope you don't have a gun, because clearly you aren't responsible enough to own one.
 
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Mitspa

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Eh? This is about teenagers in detention being inhumanely treated, if the kids somehow had guns in children's prison, what would they do? Shoot them? Their in detention centres man!
Its about the fact that powerful institutions will always grow corrupt. Your government will grow more and more corrupt and they will soon treat you just like these teenagers ..and you will be powerless to defend yourself.
 
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Mitspa.... the conditions are compared to Guatanamo .... which was / is American. Are you going to go there with your gun and stop the torture going on in there? Are you encouraging people to take their weapons and go there and kill those people? I am pretty sure that is illegal both in Australia and the US, encouraging people to violence.
 
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Its about the fact that powerful institutions will always grow corrupt. Your government will grow more and more corrupt and they will soon treat you just like these teenagers ..and you will be powerless to defend yourself.
Lessee. Australia started as a place to dump prisoners from England. So it was an English institution. A couple of centuries later and...


How much time do we give your word?

Did you learn truthfulness from the Clintons?
 

Billyd

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Comparing their treatment to Guantanamo may be deceptive. Considering what the people that are incarcerated there did to get there, they are treated extremely well. I don't believe that is the case with these children. Their care is abhorrent.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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I agree BillyD,
I was just responding to Mitspa thinking such a thing couldn't happen in the US "because peopole have guns", which is a very invalid claim :)
 

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I was a group home parent for an American Children's Center. The kids at that center were all 12-18 years old and either juvenile delinquents or deserted by their parents. They were sent to the home we lived in (and the center paid for) as a reward for being relatively good for a short period of time or for not deserving to be in that center at all. Two of the boys we had landed there because their parents declared they were damaged goods -- one kid was adopted with his brother by a woman who lived 1000 miles from the adoption center, and that kid was dumped off because, at the ripe old age of 7, he couldn't keep still during that 1000 mile drive and then had the audacity to push his mother away after she hit his penis repeatedly with a ruler and she fell into a glass top coffee table. (He lived with the guilt, and she thought she proved her point that something was wrong with him.) The other kid got the words "saw" and "was" mixed up in kindergarten, so his mother was sure he had dyslexia making him damaged goods. (Everyone of my siblings and I got mixed up with those two words. Only one of us has dyslexia.) The rest of them were so beyond control, their parents couldn't deal with them. One was out and out dangerous to the point he raped a little neighborhood girl while under our care.

Matter of fact, that was why we quit that job, because the Center told us to keep quiet about it or we'd be sued. (I did tell a judge later when they asked me if that boy should be emancipated.)

The psychiatrist at that center taught all the boys that their actions had everything to do with peer pressure. The boys used that, until we asked them what peer pressure meant. None of them knew.

The counselors, who were really there as enforcers, and, as you can now imagine, were needed as enforcers, were hired for their size and strength. The "little guy" was only 5'10" and 240 pounds. Their job was to body slam the kids when needed. They also taught the difference between what was acceptable and what wasn't. What wasn't should never be done around them, or they had to stop it. What wasn't acceptable was to attack troublemakers with large bars of soup wrapped in a long sock and used as a whip to punish any child after the counselors withheld privileges on all the kids for the one child that did something wrong. Yeah, I mean the counselors taught the kids the trick with the soap in the sock before telling them not to do that after they were punished for what that child did.

And the kids listened. They waited for the counselor to leave before they got the soap and socks out and did just that. The boy was bruised from head to toe. And that boy was as sweet and innocent as that boy in the video throwing metal furniture at the window to try to get out.

So, you're going to suggest guns would have solved Australia's problems like we've solved ours? You don't even have a clue we HAVEN'T solved our problems. Making sure you don't know what happens inside the foster care system is a grand way of avoiding solving the problem!

I hope you don't have a gun, because clearly you aren't responsible enough to own one.
My mother spent most of her working life working with incarcerated developmentally disabled people. I spent the last 20 years of my career working around the same people. When my mother started working it was three meals and a cot, and abuse was rampant. It took a lot of people like my mother, working with the parents and guardians of those housed by the state, to change the laws and attitudes of the employees to make a difference. Over half of those who go through the center, are successfully placed in the workforce. I have personally witnessed people who could not feed themselves forty years ago, now living and working in the community. It takes a lot of work, and costs a lot of money, but the outcome is worth the investment. One former patient now runs a business that grossed $250K, last year.

You are correct, gun's won't solve foster and mental health problems. Dedicated, Godly people can. The sad thing is that only the failures make the headlines, but today, the successes far outnumber the failures. The people behind these successes are bound by law to respect the privacy of those people that are helped. My point is, that when you read about the mistreatment of a foster or mental health patient, insist that those involved in the mistreatment are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, and remember that for every case of mistreatment, there are hundreds of successes.

Billy
 

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You guys will do whatever your government tells you to do and you will like it! You have no guns ..you have no power ..suckers!
If everyone had guns then who would have the power? Those with a bigger gun? Power to do what?