Conservatives against the Trump candidacy

[Yahweh_is_gracious]

I was just having a little fun. Of course I don't mean that people living in cities are bad people, heck, I grew up close to a mighty Conecuh county city with leastways 900 citizens, but you are right about the stereotypes being handed out on here.

I guess I would make a real stereotypical stereotype from Lower Alabama, you know, ginger, short, freckles, accent so thick that folks from B'ham cant get what I'm saying, shooting guns, my car is a truck and I have a fourwheeler

You had me at ginger, short, freckles, and accent.

KRYPTONITE!

 

[Sirk]

What it boils down too is that desiring and fighting for an option that isn't available to you is part of a larger flaw in ones character.

 

[jennymae]

What it boils down too is that desiring and fighting for an option that isn't available to you is part of a larger flaw in ones character.

That's what they told Orville and Wilbur Wright as well

 

[Sirk]

That's what they told Orville and Wilbur Wright as well

well if there is another option than voting for trump then by all means get that plane off the ground.

 

[jennymae]

well if there is another option than voting for trump then by all means get that plane off the ground.

You really have a way with words today

 

[Billyd]

I grew up and still live in a "yellow dog" democrat county. When I told my Grandmother that I was going to vote for Ronald Reagan, she told be that I wasn't too old for her to take a switch to me. This is the first year since FDR ran the first time, that we have republican candidates for every office on the ballot. The few yellow dogs left will vote for Trump this year. Their reason. "That Woman is the Devil" is most often given.

Times around here are gradually changing.

 

[KimPetras]

Doesn't the fact you're voting for him, though, cancel out all the dislikes you have about him? We can try to rationalize all we want, but at the end of the day you're still giving your vote to said candidate.

I think it would be a fair criticism to say it "cancels" out. One could say the same thing if Bernie Sanders won the nomination too though. He is pro-choice, something I'm highly against, but I would have still voted for him.

Personally, unless I'm running for president, there will be differences of belief/opinion and I don't believe a vote for someone "cancels" the negatives you have about a candidate. There just simply aren't enough choices to match our beliefs 100% spot on. In the case of Trump, I will feel, in part, responsible for any further destruction he does to the US... especially since there is a plethora of differences we have.

 

[KimPetras]

Maybe taking things personally is more of a girl thing? I take things way too personally sometimes.

Everyone's different. You're a total sweetheart. Maybe it's because I'm not as sweet as you, but I don't really take things personally. People have to know me in order to really get under my skin or hurt me. The same people who make personal attacks and/or assumptions about me tend to know the least about me.

I can open up a tiny bit though. Part of my immaturity comes out in the forums because rather than get offended over the personal attacks and harsh words, I actually find it really funny and get pleasure from using their arguments against them. The people I respect and gravitate towards are those that don't necessarily agree with me, but challenge me spiritually, intellectually, etc... There are a few diamonds in the rough on these forums.

 

[jsr1221]

I think it would be a fair criticism to say it "cancels" out. One could say the same thing if Bernie Sanders won the nomination too though. He is pro-choice, something I'm highly against, but I would have still voted for him.

Personally, unless I'm running for president, there will be differences of belief/opinion and I don't believe a vote for someone "cancels" the negatives you have about a candidate. There just simply aren't enough choices to match our beliefs 100% spot on. In the case of Trump, I will feel, in part, responsible for any further destruction he does to the US... especially since there is a plethora of differences we have.

I haven't seen you comment on thread after thread criticizing Bernie, though. Granted there aren't any Bernie threads, but the fact he is your first choice, I don't think you'd be doing so. I think all the criticizing of Trump doesn't mean anything if you're still going to be giving him your vote. It just kinda baffles me everything you've said about him and his supporters only for you to raise your hand in a sense and say you will be voting for him. Kinda defeats the purpose of debating with folks at the extent of what's been going on, no?

 

[Willie-T]

That's what they told Orville and Wilbur Wright as well

And the option of flying never became open to them. They DID develop an option that was open to them, however. They devised a machine that could be supported by airflow, that they could be transported in.

To the day they died, neither one of them (nor any other human) ever managed to fly.

 

[peacenik]

If these are the best two candidates we can come up with then we must be the laughing stock of the world right now... it's embarrassing

I occasionally post on a Canadian and on a British website. Folks in both say the same thing about their candidates.

 

[Voldemort]

I haven't seen you comment on thread after thread criticizing Bernie, though. Granted there aren't any Bernie threads, but the fact he is your first choice, I don't think you'd be doing so. I think all the criticizing of Trump doesn't mean anything if you're still going to be giving him your vote. It just kinda baffles me everything you've said about him and his supporters only for you to raise your hand in a sense and say you will be voting for him. Kinda defeats the purpose of debating with folks at the extent of what's been going on, no?

I don't think so. The fact she can recognize the counter-argument of not voting for the lesser of two evils (but disagrees) actually sets a great standard for how I wish Trump supporters could be on these forums. If someone disagrees and refuses to see the opposing argument... well, they are not really wanting to edify anyone but their own ideas. She actually strives to see both arguments. I see you try to do the same thing, and this is why I tend to pay more attention to your posts .

I can respect her decision to disagree and still vote for Trump, though I do wish she takes a look at her own words when she says she doesn't have a scriptural rebuttal about the "not voting for the lesser of 2 evils" that you and me (and others on here as well) have stated.

 

[peacenik]

more mainline CONSERVATIVES who oppose the Trump campaign:



7 conservative Christians who are not supporting Trump | Religion News Service

A demonstrator holds a sign against Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump outside his campaign rally in Sacramento, Calif., on June 1, 2016. Photo courtesy of REUTERS/Stephen Lam *Editors: This photo may only be republished with RNS-TRUMP-OPPONENTS, originally transmitted on June 21, 2016.​

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(RNS) Donald Trump may have met with hundreds of conservative Christian leaders, mostly evangelicals, in New York on Tuesday (June 21), but not all Christians have lined up behind him.
Johnnie Moore — national spokesperson for My Faith Votes, one of the groups that organized the meeting — said beforehand he had seen “a real consolidation of evangelical support” for the GOP presumptive presidential candidate.

Russell Moore, president of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, gives a TED-style talk as a part of the Hispanic Baptist Pastors Alliance meeting in St. Louis. Photo by John Stroup, courtesy of Baptist Press

But here are seven Christian leaders who have made less-than-enthusiastic statements about the businessman-turned-reality TV star-turned candidate.
1. Russell Moore

Perhaps no evangelical leader has been more outspoken in opposition to Trump than Russell Moore, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission. In a single weekend last month, Moore penned an op-ed in The New York Times and made an appearance on “Face the Nation,” in which he called Trump’s campaign “reality television moral sewage.”
Trump’s retort on Twitter called Moore “a terrible representative of Evangelicals and all of the good they stand for. A nasty guy with no heart!”
Moore has since changed the bio on his Twitter profile to reflect the jab: “terrible representative of evangelical Christianity, due to nastiness.”
2. Denny Burk

A professor of biblical studies at Boyce College, Denny Burk blogged in March that though Trump has said he would appoint conservative Supreme Court justices, it was unclear what kind of justices he actually would choose; he does not seem to understand the pro-life position; and his statements supporting torture present a “real threat to our constitutional order.”
“I am not joking or being hyperbolic when I say that he is a Mussolini-in-waiting,” Burk wrote. “He must never be allowed near the Oval Office. Ever.”

Christian author Max Lucado. Photo courtesy of www.KarenJames.com

3. Max Lucado

In a February blog post titled “Decency for President” that he later expanded for The Washington Post, Oak Hills Church pastor and popular Christian author Max Lucado said Trump wouldn’t pass the “decency interview” he required for his three daughters’ dates.
Lucado wrote:

“I’m a pastor. I don’t endorse candidates or place bumper stickers on my car. But I am protective of the Christian faith. If a public personality calls on Christ one day and calls someone a “bimbo” the next, is something not awry? And to do so, not once, but repeatedly? Unrepentantly? Unapologetically? Can we not expect a tone that would set a good example for our children? We stand against bullying in schools. Shouldn’t we do the same in presidential politics?”
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4. Thabiti Anyabwile

The pastor of Anacostia River Church and council member of The Gospel Coalition has called Trump a racist and many of the positions both Trump and Clinton have taken “evil.”
In a blog post earlier this month titled “Can We Talk? Or, Why I Think A Trump Presidency Is Intolerable Even Though You Might Not Agree,” Thabiti Anyabwile wrote: “It seems to me, it’s past time Christians with minds bound by the word of God forsake party politics for party politics sake.
“If this election proves anything, it proves there remains among Christian people a lot of uncritical allegiance to the parties of men and even some idolizing of them,” Anyabwile wrote.
And this was after he published a guest post by Nick Rodriguez, a leader at his church, that asked Christian leaders to vote for Clinton.

Photo by Gage Skidmore via Wikimedia Commons.​

Erick Erickson in 2011.

5. Erick Erickson

The conservative blogger behind The Resurgent told Katie Couric last month, “If the Republican Party wants to go in (Trump’s) direction, I guess I’m not a Republican anymore.”
Erick Erickson previously had said he would support Trump if he became the party’s nominee. Then in February he wrote on his website, The Resurgent, “I Will Not Vote For Donald Trump. Ever.“
“Donald Trump has had no ‘road to Damascus’ conversion. He only wants to date the preacher’s daughter,” Erickson wrote.
6. Robbie George

Warren Throckmorton posted a statement Monday (June 20) on his Patheos blog from Robbie George, McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence at Princeton University, who declined to attend Tuesday’s meeting. George is Catholic.
George’s statement read in part:

“I have been a severe critic of Mr. Trump and there is nothing he could say at a meeting in which he is courting conservatives that would alter my low opinion of him. I trust that I do not need to go into detail about the words and actions that have caused me to form that opinion. Perhaps the only politician in America of whom I have an even lower opinion is Hillary Clinton, so I certainly understand why some are urging us to hold our noses and support for Mr. Trump. But I fear that he will, in the end, bring disgrace upon those individuals and organizations who publicly embrace him.”
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Earlier this month, he tweeted, “Good people, reject (Clinton) but don’t associate yourself with Trump. He will disgrace & taint all who snuggle up to him.”
7. Alan Noble

“For conservative evangelicals like me, the 2016 election really is a choice between two evils,” said Alan Noble, editor of the website Christ and Pop Culture, in an articlein Vox earlier this month.
In his post, in which he advised evangelicals to abstain from voting for president and focus instead on congressional and local and state elections, Noble wrote that voting for Trump would undermine “decades of the religious right’s insistence that character matters in politicians.”
He called the candidate “a deceptive, infantile, racist demagogue with no political principles aside from his own self-interest.”
He also pointed out Trump’s comments that he does not ask for forgiveness, saying, “Any man who is so unaware of his own depravity that he cannot recognize his need for forgiveness is incapable of justly leading any country.
“There simply is no way around this fact for evangelicals.”







If I said any of this some of the extremist forum right wingers would demand that I be banned. It is just too unfortunate for them to so fear the truth. That more than anything else is what prompts them to spew so much hate.

 

[lettucepray]

We need to find a good write in candidate and soon IMO. The poll in one of the threads said 40 percent of the ppl who took it are gonna be write-ins. Who's got names? lol

 

[jennymae]

And the option of flying never became open to them. They DID develop an option that was open to them, however. They devised a machine that could be supported by airflow, that they could be transported in.

To the day they died, neither one of them (nor any other human) ever managed to fly.

There are several options open, two of the options are much more likely than the others, but that doesn't change the fact that there are several options open.

 

[jennymae]

We need to find a good write in candidate and soon IMO. The poll in one of the threads said 40 percent of the ppl who took it are gonna be write-ins. Who's got names? lol

We need a write in movement.

 

[peacenik]

How about Curly?

Nice Jewish boy, progressive, Democrat, family values, etc.

 

[tooldtocare]

I asked around why Trump always holds his hands out rubbing his two fingers as he talks. It now seems he is a nose picker and he is rolling his boogers around between his fingers. After being told this and watching trump do it again it all fits; he is a nose picker who likes playing with his boogers. People do this sort of thing only Trump does it in public. Over and over.

One question still remains; does he eat them when he leaves the stage-?

Poll
mark your choice

[ ] Yes he eats them

[ ] no he stuffs them in his ears

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[HeBecomesGreater]

The electoral college will decide our next president on December 19. Tell them to vote against Trump. The electors should choose Pence or Clinton or Kaine, or just not vote at all. I am praying for as many faithless electors as possible. All they have to do is make sure Trump gets 269 votes or fewer. That is the number, 269. The House of Representatives will then vote for our next president. For the sake of this country, the electors must stop this great evil that is ascending to power. Thank you all so much. Jesus loves you, and so do I.

 

[Willie-T]

The electoral college will decide our next president on December 19. Tell them to vote against Trump. The electors should choose Pence or Clinton or Kaine, or just not vote at all. I am praying for as many faithless electors as possible. All they have to do is make sure Trump gets 269 votes or fewer. That is the number, 269. The House of Representatives will then vote for our next president. For the sake of this country, the electors must stop this great evil that is ascending to power. Thank you all so much. Jesus loves you, and so do I.

How do you claim to PRAY for faithless men to be raised up? You are not Christian, are you?