Family of gun instructor killed by girl of 9 using Uzi to sue over his death

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[video=youtube;xjoAH9dIswg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjoAH9dIswg[/video]

Family of gun instructor killed by girl of 9 using Uzi to sue over his death - Mirror Online
The gun range has a policy of 8+ years of age can shoot any weapons. Do you think the family should win this civil case? Did the instructor fail in protecting himself while instructing the 9 year old girl? Should he have put the uzi on auto? Do you think they should raise the age and if so, what age is appropriate?
 
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[video=youtube;_1KqIExP-3E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1KqIExP-3E[/video]

I just wanted to post this video because of how amazing the instructors kids are. They are so incredibly sweet, compassionate, and forgiving...
 
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I do not see how the gun range is at fault unless it was standard policy that "okay, after the first shot, you must switch patrons to full auto."

It doesn't make a lick of sense to me.
 
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Thinking of those people just makes me wanna cry. His family...and that little 9 year old girl...I don't think I can contribute to this debate, it's too sad.
 
Desdichado

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Granted I'm an amateur who never taught a child to shoot.

That said, I've taken smaller people to the range on a couple of occasions and he did a few things I would never do.

1. Have someone immediately switch from semi to full auto. She may have fired other full auto guns before though and demonstrated competency (doubt it).

2. Lean out anywhere near where the barrel could reasonably point without the other person purposefully moving to point the gun at me. The key is always this- respect the power of the gun.
 
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Come on instructor family. This 9yo has to spend the rest of her life with burden of accidentally killing someone. Let's let that one rest.

I have taught every child and grandchild to care for and fire rifles, shotguns, and handguns. I have no problem with teaching children weapon use and safety. I do have a problem with handing a child or most younger teens a fully automatic weapon of any type.
 
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Accidents can happen but not sure why a kid that young (and a girl) ;) needs to shoot a full auto Uzi ?
 
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This is a horrible accident the family will try to sue the gun range. I do not think they will get very far with it. The most they will get is the gun range will put new age restrictions in effect. It is sad and yes that poor little girl has to live with what happened it is awful she will have to deal with this forever now. This is a no win situation reminds me of the Chris Kyle situation God rest his soul... Only difference is this little girl did it on accident
 
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KimPetras said:
[video=youtube;_1KqIExP-3E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1KqIExP-3E[/video]

I just wanted to post this video because of how amazing the instructors kids are. They are so incredibly sweet, compassionate, and forgiving...
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Wow! What a powerful video!!!

How can this not inspire us to love one another?! A girl accidentally killed a father, a husband, a son... in spite of this, the man's children unite together to show compassion and love towards 9 year old girl. It makes these Trump/Hillary personal attacks seem trivial in comparison...

Forgiveness is primarily for our own personal gain. When we choose not to forgive, we choose to carry all the negative baggage that comes from it. When we choose to forgive, we let go of that baggage and are able to be happy and love again. This is why the bible commands us to always forgive our brothers and sisters. These kids are an A+ in my book!
 
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Accidents can happen but not sure why a kid that young (and a girl) ;) needs to shoot a full auto Uzi ?
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Because anytime someone says there should be a certain law restricting firearms, a group of people start to metaphorically (possibly literally too) lock and load their "no-infringement" rhetoric.
 
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Mitspa

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Because anytime someone says there should be a certain law restricting firearms, a group of people start to metaphorically (possibly literally too) lock and load their "no-infringement" rhetoric.
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Wow you are spouting the left-wing propaganda today... mind your own business this is America
 
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Wow you are spouting the left-wing propaganda today... mind your own business this is America
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Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you. I was just answering your question. I'm a proud gun owner and an advocate for guns. I just believe in "common sense gun legislation." What you said ought to be "common sense", but sadly it's not. Hence, there is no age requirement to shoot fully auto weapons (uzi's) in this particular state.

As for minding my own business because "this is America"... I thought this was Christian Chat where we fellowship and discuss topics civilly. My condolences if it's not.
 
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Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you. I was just answering your question. I'm a proud gun owner and an advocate for guns. I just believe in "common sense gun legislation." What you said ought to be "common sense", but sadly it's not. Hence, there is no age requirement to shoot fully auto weapons (uzi's) in this particular state.

As for minding my own business because "this is America"... I thought this was Christian Chat where we fellowship and discuss topics civilly. My condolences if it's not.
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Ok ... it just gets under my skin when folks in other countries, who don't understand our constitution or the battle we are in with the leftist, chime in on our gun laws. I'm sorry for being unkind :)
 
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A tragic but simple case of poor judgement and poor application by the instructor.. If He was going to allow the girl to shot the weapon he should have helped her hold it to ensure that the gun was under control at all times.. If that condition was achieved then it matters little if she was firing it in full auto mode.. The gun would have remained under control.. But the instructor made an error, sadly people do sometimes make errors.. This one ended in tragedy but such is life, no one is guaranteed a long life without troubles..

The girl has nothing to apologize for or to be forgiven for.. She was not the responsible person in this event.. The instructor made the mistake and the instructor lost His life because of it.. So the family of the instructor has no call to say they forgive anyone because no one alive is at fault..

The family of the instructor needs material support having lost their dad so this is really the motivating factor for them trying to gain monetary compensation.. While it is not morally right it is understandable why they would try to gain material support through legal action..
 
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Allowing a nine-year-old to handle an Uzi is ridiculous
 
Desdichado

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Voldemort said:
Because anytime someone says there should be a certain law restricting firearms, a group of people start to metaphorically (possibly literally too) lock and load their "no-infringement" rhetoric.
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Not to be one of those fruitcakes, but gun laws really do conform to the slippery slope fallacy due to the political forces behind them. Particularly if they are posed to influence gun culture more than public safety itself.

If you do not allow a 9 year old to handle an Uzi, then it isn't too much of a stretch to say that children shouldn't handle any firearms even while supervised (the Nazis used similar rhetoric when they disarmed the Austrians, actually). No teaching your four year old how to shoot a .22. No pistol range fun for your 13 year old daughter. Etc.

This is simply how the "gun grabbers" work. Unfortunately. I would love to argue within the bounds of the rules of logic, but I happen to live in a world where we question who goes in what bathroom.
 
Desdichado

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I'll also go out on an unpopular limb and say that a nine year old girl could probably operate an Uzi at the range. The instructor's apparent ease with the situation would indicate to me she's not the first.

I imagine the recoil on it would be fairly easy to managed for even a somewhat experienced shooter. I mean, it's this massive hunk of metal that fires cartridges normally suited to pistol.
 
Desdichado

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One thing I detest about our culture is that if something goes awry, there's a knee jerk cry form new laws or regulations. That or somebody has to be sued.

We forget that there is such thing as an incident in which several parties are equally at fault or nobody is really at fault. The ultimate cause was human frailty or an "act of God." We used to call them "accidents."
 
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Considering you are not allowed to vote until you are 18 , I don't see why one should be allowed to learn how to use a lethal weapon at 8
 
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That instructor did so many things wrong he should get a Darwin award. Plain and simple... his range etiquette was sloppy. He handed a kid a fully-automatic weapon. He stood next to her, not behind her. He was not wearing a ballistics vest. (not required but certainly a good idea when handing a kid a fully automatic weapon) Honestly, that dudes family has nothing to complain about other than that guy being too stupid to be around guns.
 
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