I feel bad for Hillary (not a joke)

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jsr1221

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It's sad to see that even after Trump's victory, people are still focusing on Hillary and the negatives. Jesus said to love your enemies, and pray for them. I am in no ways a Hillary fan. In the final week of the election, I decided to go from a third party candidate to Trump. But it's clear Hillary was devastated at what happened. Remember, we are Christians before we are Americans. Or whichever country you are from. Our job is to save souls. Please, let's pray this is a humbling experience for Hillary and her campaign. Let's pray this is an opportunity for them to seek the Lord in their time of comfort. Will they? I don't know. Is it unlikely? I don't know. But I do know God can do anything. He can do the impossible. He wants Hillary and Bill and everyone in that campaign saved just as much as He wants each and every single one of us. Remember John 3:16. So please. I kindly ask if we can stop with the gloating. And start praying for those that lost. Let us put this into action: Humble yourselves before the Lord, and He will lift you up. Can we do that?
 
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Willie-T

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TemporaryCircumstances said:
I still think we shouldn't have the Electoral College.
That for me is not based off of "Oh the person I wanted to win last year didn't because of the Electoral College" No. It's based off of what I understand of it to be unfair and the wrong way to do the election
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I agree entirely. The EC is what we have right now, not the Popular Vote, so God used what we presently recognize. If we had somehow already changed away from the EC, He would have had Trump win the Popular Vote.
 
Desdichado

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I <3 the EC. It gives fly-over country and culture a voice and ensures that time-accrued wisdom has a say against fashionable calculations of the the moment.

The wisdom and faith of the Colonial Era set us up unbelievably well for success and survival. Let's keep what we can from a time when a recognition of God's sovereignty and man's depravity was palpable.

Like y'all, I would say this regardless of the results two days ago, but thankfully the election helps build my case.
 
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Hmm...........

I thank God neither Bill OR Hillary will be living in the White House again...........BUT........to BLAME ONLY Hillary for all that has gone on in this Nation over the past 50 or 60 years makes no sense.

Charging HER ALONE for all the people (aborted babies) that have died is just wrong........and, it does not reflect what Jesus taught in my opinion.

I am GLAD that Trump won. That should cause some here to gasp in disbelief........ :)

But, not for Trump, but for you guys here who invested so much in supporting him, and had to swallow so many things he did/said, and still pretended he was CHOSEN BY GOD!

I can't imagine what you guys would be doing today had Trump lost............Because of that, I am glad he won.

As for putting words in your comments........no, not really......simply reading your comments, and what I read did not reflect Christ's teachings of love thy enemy.

I am glad some here actually started this thread, and some here actually understand that, no matter how much we all disagree with her Politics, and how she has conducted her life, she IS STILL a human being.

When the Church reaches the point that it can not have sympathy for a human being, any human being........well........I don't want to be a part of that particular church........because it IS NOT God's Church in my opinion.

Why not take the high road, and/or the Christian road and simply say, "My guy won, she lost, no need to lambast her now."
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Hmmm AND Oiyvay And yes you are again putting the intents of your thinking on my words. Please discontinue doing so P_rehbein. I never said it was Hillary alone. Shhhhheeeeessshhhhh. It was Hillary alone who was running for President against Trump. And it is Hillary alone I'm thankful isn't the Pres. And it's Hillary alone that this thread is about.

And I didn't go out working for Trump nor would I have been devastated. I fully expected Hillary to get in and so I fully prayed and asked God along with many other believers for a miracle so she would not. Not sure who you are talking about p_rehbein., because again., it certainly isn't me. You need to quit trying to interpret my heart motives. They are not at all what you have posted.

You are fully entitled to your opinion but quit trying to stop me from having one. You sound a lot like a liberal. Hmmmmmmm and Hmmmmmmm....and Hmmmmmmmm again.
 
notuptome

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We are a constitutional republic not a constitutional democracy as some wish to describe it these days.

The electoral college is in place so that the populous states do not exert undue influence on the outcomes of the elections.

As our republic is degraded to a democracy we see more ignorance being revealed. Democracy degrades into socialism and socialism degrades into communism. It was never the intent of our founding fathers to allow mob rule to run the country. The violent protests in the streets is evidence of just how close we are to anarchy and mob rule. This un-American ideology is being fomented in our colleges and universities and we are paying for it.

The intellectual political elitists are unable to understand that there are still common folks in the country that abhor dishonesty and lying.

I am hoping that God has given us mercy to teach society to repent before it's too late. We need religious moral standards or we will be diminished into total anarchy.

For the cause of Christ
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Willie-T

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Desdichado said:
I <3 the EC. It gives fly-over country and culture a voice and ensures that time-accrued wisdom has a say against fashionable calculations of the the moment.

The wisdom and faith of the Colonial Era set us up unbelievably well for success and survival. Let's keep what we can from that era.
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"A voice?" Some of those states only have 3 or 4 Electoral votes. Their voice will never be heard. Whereas, areas where much of our country's criminal element and welfare recipients congregate, consistently boast of 20 or more votes for their one small state.

I know The Popular Vote is not an equitable system either.......... but certainly, the EC is not a fair process.
 
Desdichado

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That's the other side of the equation: the popular vote still has to be respected. Giving Nebraska a number of votes equal to Florida is very unfair to Florida.

Taken together, the EC votes of small states is still vitally important we just kind of take them as givens today. Donald Trump would not have won without 4 here and 7 there. It all adds up pretty quick.

That and there were many paths the election last night could have taken that would have made NH or AK vitally important to the map with their two or three apiece.

I do not know how you can tinker with that system and find a better way to have a leader who compositely represents the interests and attitudes of a nation with many regional differences.

I'm unwilling to try, too. The system functions well even when it fails and elects a man like Obama or LBJ. Those are lessons in the limitation of systems and the importance of public virtue.

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"A voice?" Some of those states only have 3 or 4 Electoral votes. Their voice will never be heard. Whereas, areas where much of our country's criminal element and welfare recipients congregate, consistently boast of 20 or more votes for their one small state.

I know The Popular Vote is not an equitable system either.......... but certainly, the EC is not a fair process.
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notuptome

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Willie-T said:
"A voice?" Some of those states only have 3 or 4 Electoral votes. Their voice will never be heard. Whereas, areas where much of our country's criminal element and welfare recipients congregate, consistently boast of 20 or more votes for their one small state.

I know The Popular Vote is not an equitable system either.......... but certainly, the EC is not a fair process.
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So how is it working out in Europe? Is the paradigm shifting in Europe?

There is a reason for the Dems wanting open borders and it isn't because they love freedom.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
Willie-T

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Desdichado said:
That's the other side of the equation: the popular vote still has to be respected. Giving Nebraska a number of votes equal to Florida is very unfair to Florida.

Taken together, the EC votes of small states is still vitally important we just kind of take them as givens today. Donald Trump would not have won without 4 here and 7 there. It all adds up pretty quick.

That and there were many paths the election last night could have taken that would have made NH or AK vitally important to the map with their two or three apiece.

I do not know how you can tinker with that system and find a better way to have a leader who compositely represents the interests and attitudes of a nation with many regional differences.

I'm unwilling to try, too. The system functions well even when it fails and elects a man like Obama or LBJ. Those are lessons in the limitation of systems and the importance of public virtue.
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So, you sound kind of fatalistic in saying that you recognize that the present system is flawed..... but, still, we should not look at ways to correct it to reflect the world today, that is not the world of the Colonialists when this was devised?
 
Willie-T

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Several of you seem to be looking through blinders... saying there are only two possible choices of operating an election.
 
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