Will We Have Universal Health Care

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I can't help but wonder what God thinks when we (government) spend hundreds of billion dollars to fight wars all over the world, but we are too tight to ensure that every one of our own citizens has access to adequate quality healthcare.

I would think fighting tyranny is a good thing. Finishing the fight, a better thing.

 

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The same reason you can buy a 60 inch 4k smart tv for 400 bucks, they want to sell TVs. You cannot move product that cost too much. Health care is a product.

You know that the feds subsidize every bit of milk sold in this nation. Some politicians claim that if they didn't, milk would cost up to 10 dollars a gallon. No it wouldn't. You know why I know this? Because no sane person would pay 10 dollars a gallon for milk.

The government has a tendency through incompetence or out right corruption to waste our money. Health care will be no different, despite the promises made.

I work in government and I know we will spend twice as much for a flashlight than anyone else.

There is no right to health care. I've looked it up. Lets not create a new right that will soon become divisive and unaffordable.

Insurance is not for everyone and everything. Think about it, you don't make a claim on your homeowners insurance because the neighbor kid hit a base ball through the window. You use insurance when the house burns down. Health insurance should be no different. It is there when you get hit by a bus or come down with cancer. Why do we expect it to pay for doctors visits and birth control?

We regulate pharmaceuticals to death. We make them jump through regulation on top of regulation at a great expense, then tell them they can only hold a patent on their hard work for 7 years, no wonder drugs cost so much.

I have found nothing in the United States Constitution that establishes the federal government is to provide health care, retirement pensions, education, or pick winners or losers in industry. The United States government needs to be put in proper perspective, it is 50 countries bound by a defense and trade union.

This would require several long-winded posts to explain what's wrong with more things than just your concept of healthcare. Up to you. Want me to or not?

 

[notuptome]

I want the same deal my congressman and senator get. The best plan and the best care with someone else paying for it. We can pay the doctors and hospitals with bit coins.

I remind you that health care is not like any other service you obtain. When you are sick, in pain or dying money is no longer a consideration. You will willingly pay all you have to get better or to see your dear family member recover. I am amazed at what people spend on their pets for healthcare.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Billyd]

Lynn, I appreciate your comments and understand the situation that you are in.

Tricare is the DOD funded and run healthcare plan for active and retired military members and their dependents. It has a 25% deductible with a cap 0f $3,000. At 65, it becomes the copay for medicare.

The VA program stinks. First the hurdle of is your health problems the result of a service connected injury must be cleared. Second it is grossly underfunded. Finally, it is designed to be a government care delivery system. The best solution would be to phase out the current system, and move all patients into the current Tricare program. Every veteran with needs resulting from their service, deserves no less.

I understand that Medicare costs a person $125-$150 per month, along with a 20% deductible. (it's not free) Most of the people that I know choose to purchase a supplement that covers the deductible and prescriptions, along with dental and vision care. Some choose one of many provider based programs.

There are a lot of families here that depend on two minimum wage jobs for support. Their healthcare provider is the local hospital emergency room. Emergency room care does not have follow up care programs. This emergency room care is reimbursed by the state. Most hospitals will tell you that the reimbursement they receive covers less than half the cost.

It's a complex problem. It is an expensive problem. I believe that there is a solution. A starting point could be Medicare expansion.

 

[Tommy379]

Believe that all you want, but health insurance companies make 2-4% profit. What would you like, negative numbers?

That isn't what I said at all. I don't want insurers to go into the red, but if we allowed basic economics to take over in the health care industry, the price for services will come down.

 

[peacenik]

After listening to Donald Trump over the weekend, I feel like we may be on the verge of Universal Health Care. What he said and what the Republicans in Congress are promising are two different things. The difference being that he says every citizen have healthcare and Republicans in Congress says citizens will have access to affordable healthcare. I hope that he delivers on his promise.



Donald Trump may have just destroyed the republican effort to repeal obamacare

I hope so as well. After all, it was the Republicans who initially proposed universal health care under Teddy Roosevelt. American taxpayers financed Europe's health care under the Marshall Plan and continue to finance Israel's health care. If it can work in all those countries as well as in Canada & Japan, it can work just as readily here. Of special note is Trump's words on Big Pharma which needs to be under control. Let us hope he is the one to step up and do it.

 

[Depleted]

That isn't what I said at all. I don't want insurers to go into the red, but if we allowed basic economics to take over in the health care industry, the price for services will come down.

Basic Economics: "What the market will bear."

What the market will bear --
- MRI machines (which 20 years ago cost six-figures. Haven't checked recently) are too tight. Too squishy. Too confining. Claustrophobic. The market bore open-MRIs. Which means they all had to buy more machines. Do you think they shouldn't recoop that money?

- People with cancer wanted to live longer, so piles and piles of money went into finding ways to cure cancer. It's working. Do you think they shouldn't recoop that money?

- When I was young heart attack = death. Now people can be saved from one. It takes days or weeks in the ICU sometime. (My husband's was months.) And they rather have to know what caused it and if anything needs fixing, so MRI's, CT scans, daily X-rays, and the patient is too sick to get an appointment and go to one, so they actually invented a portable X-ray machine. And the nurses, technicians and doctors in an ICU are specialist, so deserve the extra pay. Do you think they shouldn't recoop that money?

- You've hit just the right age to know the stupidity of lasik eyes surgery. It works. It really does stop young people from being nearsighted or farsighted, but lo and behold, the older you get, the more your eyes change. Do you think no one should have lasik eye surgery because it only works for a decade or so? (Ha! In that case, if you do, I agree. However, we're talking economics, and it truly does come down to "What the market will bear." Obviously, the market bears fine with lasik eye surgery.)

- Nip and tucks. Removing fat. Tightening up skin after losing weight. Rhinoplasty. It's all covered on insurance, because that's what people want from their cadillac insurance policies.

I agree with you. It is basic economics. But basic economics and healthcare mean costly. Are you going to pay for your own stents/bypass/valve when you have your heart attack? Or to avoid one? Are you paying for your own chemo or radiation treatments, if you get cancer? Who's fixing your prostate when you get that age? (Warning. You're already getting to that age. It just doesn't show yet.)

Basic economics. It bites. And yet, without health coverage, I would have lost my husband twice. Worse yet, he would have been crippled for life when he was two years young than you and broke his back.

I honestly don't see how basic economics fixes anything.

 

[Tommy379]

Basic Economics: "What the market will bear."

What the market will bear --
- MRI machines (which 20 years ago cost six-figures. Haven't checked recently) are too tight. Too squishy. Too confining. Claustrophobic. The market bore open-MRIs. Which means they all had to buy more machines. Do you think they shouldn't recoop that money?

- People with cancer wanted to live longer, so piles and piles of money went into finding ways to cure cancer. It's working. Do you think they shouldn't recoop that money?

- When I was young heart attack = death. Now people can be saved from one. It takes days or weeks in the ICU sometime. (My husband's was months.) And they rather have to know what caused it and if anything needs fixing, so MRI's, CT scans, daily X-rays, and the patient is too sick to get an appointment and go to one, so they actually invented a portable X-ray machine. And the nurses, technicians and doctors in an ICU are specialist, so deserve the extra pay. Do you think they shouldn't recoop that money?

- You've hit just the right age to know the stupidity of lasik eyes surgery. It works. It really does stop young people from being nearsighted or farsighted, but lo and behold, the older you get, the more your eyes change. Do you think no one should have lasik eye surgery because it only works for a decade or so? (Ha! In that case, if you do, I agree. However, we're talking economics, and it truly does come down to "What the market will bear." Obviously, the market bears fine with lasik eye surgery.)

- Nip and tucks. Removing fat. Tightening up skin after losing weight. Rhinoplasty. It's all covered on insurance, because that's what people want from their cadillac insurance policies.

I agree with you. It is basic economics. But basic economics and healthcare mean costly. Are you going to pay for your own stents/bypass/valve when you have your heart attack? Or to avoid one? Are you paying for your own chemo or radiation treatments, if you get cancer? Who's fixing your prostate when you get that age? (Warning. You're already getting to that age. It just doesn't show yet.)

Basic economics. It bites. And yet, without health coverage, I would have lost my husband twice. Worse yet, he would have been crippled for life when he was two years young than you and broke his back.

I honestly don't see how basic economics fixes anything.

You are arguing something different than me. I still don't think you understand. I just want the government out of healthcare. Not a dime of revenue spent. I don't want to be in an insurance pool that pays for everything, I just want to buy high deductible insurance. I use to have it before obamacare kicked in, only cost 56 dollars a month. I will pay for everything else. What I don't want, is to pay for your healthcare. Sorry, but that shouldn't be my responsibility. And yes, cost would come down if you stop dumping government revenue into it.

 

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You are arguing something different than me. I still don't think you understand. I just want the government out of healthcare. Not a dime of revenue spent. I don't want to be in an insurance pool that pays for everything, I just want to buy high deductible insurance. I use to have it before obamacare kicked in, only cost 56 dollars a month. I will pay for everything else. What I don't want, is to pay for your healthcare. Sorry, but that shouldn't be my responsibility. And yes, cost would come down if you stop dumping government revenue into it.

30% of working people become disabled for 5 months or longer.

So what you want is for the government to lie to them and lie to retired people so they don't have to pay out anymore. Fantastic, babe!

You just killed me when I was 44 years old. And you just killed my husband when he was 35.

I hope you become part of the 30%ers. Wait until you find out Christians won't be helping you for the same reason you don't want to help now. It's all about you and your comfort/money. Not anyone else.