Liberals are turning against Isreal

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JosephsDreams

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If this was the only contrary stance liberals took against our world view, would we need any more proof then this that many LIBERALS ARE BEING DECEIVED. Even the more moderates. For some of the good that liberals od, and they have effected some good changes in this country, they do more harm in a eternal fashion then any good they can do in the secular. It is just like the devil to give crumbs but to take away the entire meal. The liberals are tools and pawns of satan.


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[TD]A new strategic challenge is emerging: Liberals are turning against Israel. (My column for the Jerusalem Post)

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LIBERALS ARE TURNING AGAINST THE JEWISH STATE
By Joel C. Rosenberg, The Jerusalem Post, January 19, 2017
The inauguration of Donald Trump will mark the first time Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has ever had a Republican to work with in the White House.
Bill Clinton was President in Bibi’s first term (1996 to 1999) and repeatedly pressured Israel to make dangerous concessions to Yasser Arafat. When Bibi resisted, Clinton deployed his top political advisors -- James Carville, Bob Shrum and Stan Greenberg – to run Ehud Barak’s campaign to oust Netanyahu from office.

When Bibi returned to office in March 2009, Barack Obama had just been inaugurated. The Illinois Democrat proceeded to skip Israel on his first visit to the region. He suggested creating “daylight” between America and Israel would help make peace. He aggressively pressured Israel to divide Jerusalem and to retreat to the indefensible pre-1967 lines. And when Netanyahu balked, Obama made Hillary Clinton his “designated yeller.”

Obama deserves credit for supporting Iron Dome and a $38 billion. ten-year military aid deal with Israel. But this hardly absolves him from cutting a naïve nuclear deal with Iran, abandoning his own red line in Syria, withdrawing all U.S. forces from Iraq, and repeatedly underestimating the ISIS threat, all of which put Israeli security at risk.
In his final days in office, Obama doubled down on this disastrous legacy, refusing to veto back Israel at the U.N. and supporting a pointless “peace conference” in Paris that excluded Israelis and Palestinians.
For Netanyahu, Friday can’t come soon enough.

Dismissing recent moves by Obama and the French as the “final palpitations of yesterday's world,” Netanyahu told reporters, “Tomorrow will look a lot different, and tomorrow is very close.”
The Israeli public overwhelmingly agrees. Fully 83% of Israelis say they expect Trump to be “pro-Israel,” according to a December poll.

This may prove true, but a new strategic challenge is emerging: a growing number of Democrats are turning against the Jewish State.
“There is now a 41-point gap between the shares of Republicans (74%) and Democrats (33%) who say they sympathize more with Israel,” finds a new Pew Research survey. “This is the largest party gap in views on this question in surveys dating to 1978.”
Liberal support for Israel, in particular, is cratering. In 2001, 48% of self-described liberal Democrats said they sympathized with Israel. But the latest Pew poll found that number has plummeted to just 26% today.

Such poll numbers help explain why Hillary’s advisors urged her to avoid openly discussing support for Israel during the primaries.
They help explain why Bernie Sanders refused to speak to the AIPAC Policy Conferenceand even accused Israel of killing “10,000 innocent civilians” in the last Gaza war. MK Michael Oren, the former Israeli Ambassador to Washington, called this a “blood libel.” The real number of civilian deaths in Gaza was fewer than 1,500. Sanders apologized, but still came close to winning the Democratic nomination.
Plummeting liberal support for Israel also helps explains how Minnesota Congressman Keith Ellison is a serious contender to be the next chairman of the Democratic National Committee despite widespread criticism of his hostility towards Israel. “Keith Ellison’s record is one of overwhelming anti-Israel and anti-Semitic activities,” argues Mort Klein, president of the Zionist Organization of America. Haim Saban, a billionaire donor to the Democrats, says Ellison is “clearly an anti-Semite and anti-Israel individual.”
A new survey of American voters further highlights Israel’s emerging challenges among liberal voters, as well as among Independents and Millennials.

Last week, I asked John McLaughlin, the respected American pollster, to test competing arguments in the recent dust-up over the U.N. vote. The results were sobering.
We asked 1,000 likely American voters, Which of the following statements is closest to your personal views about U.S. policy towards Israel?

  • A) I believe that President Obama was right to abstain on the recent U.N. Security Council vote that condemned Israel. Israel is morally wrong to build settlements in the West Bank for Israeli citizens. Israel is also wrong to build homes for Jewish citizens in East Jerusalem since that should be the capital of a Palestinian state. I hope that the U.S. and the U.N. will get tougher with Israel over the next four years if the Israeli government won’t agree to a Palestinian state and refuses to retreat to the pre-1967 boundaries.
  • B) I believe President Obama was wrong for throwing Israel under the bus at the U.N. Security Council. Israel is America’s most reliable ally in the Mideast. President Obama betrayed our ally by refusing to veto that anti-Israel resolution. As their eternal capital, the Israelis have the right to build in any section of Jerusalem. If Palestinian leaders want Israel to stop building settlements in the West Bank, they should agree to direct talks with Israel, recognize Israel as a Jewish State, and negotiate a final peace treaty once and for all. Israel needs defensible borders, and it is wrong for the U.N. to dictate what those are. I want the Palestinians to have freedom, dignity and security, but I also hope that the U.S. will be more supportive of Israel over the next four years and will defend Israel against unfair political attacks by the U.N. and others.
While a plurality of Americans (37%) say Obama was wrong to betray Israel, a large number of Americans (29%) say Obama was right. Perhaps even more troubling: 25% say they can’t decide between the two arguments, and nearly one-in-ten say they don’t care about the Israeli-Palestinian issue.

Of self-described liberals, 53% believe Obama was right to go after Israel. Among those describing themselves as “very liberal,” 56% want Washington to get tougher on Israel.
Moreover, nearly one-in-four Independents (23%) agree with Obama’s attack on Israel. So do 33% of Catholics, and 41% of Millennials (age 18-29).
True, the Trump-Pence administration is expected to be pro-Israel. But growing numbers of liberals, Independents and young people are breaking against Israel. This is a serious strategic challenge and one Israeli leaders and American friends of the Jewish state urgently must analyze and address.


The author is a former aide to several American and Israeli leaders. He is also the author of a dozen political thrillers about the Middle East. His latest, WITHOUT WARNING – about a wave of ISIS terror attacks inside the American homeland – will be released in March.
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Dude653

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Isreal is an apostate nation....I can't be bothered to care
 
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kaylagrl

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As you can see by Dudes post, many Christians are also turning against Israel. They will find they are on the wrong side soon enough. I hope something will open their eyes before its too late.
 

Dude653

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Honestly I've never understood why Christians have such an affinity for Israel as they have rejected the Covenant of Christ. Also according to the book of Galatians anyone who accepts he Covenant of Christ is part of the Covenant of Abraham so there is really nothing special about Israel
 
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kaylagrl

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Honestly I've never understood why Christians have such an affinity for Israel as they have rejected the Covenant of Christ. Also according to the book of Galatians anyone who accepts he Covenant of Christ is part of the Covenant of Abraham so there is really nothing special about Israel

Romans 11....
 
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JustWhoIAm

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Anti-Israel?

Myself, I thought Obama was right, but only because i thought that segregation might chill the two out for a while.

*shrug*
 

JosephsDreams

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As you can see by Dudes post, many Christians are also turning against Israel. They will find they are on the wrong side soon enough. I hope something will open their eyes before its too late.
What a lot of Christians forget, or just don't realize, is that there is a better then 50/50 chance many of them are descendants of the lost tribes.
The bible says that God will gather them up in the last days. So those tribes were not wiped off the face of the earth, as some clam.
They settled all over the place, but a major portion of them in Europe.
God knows where they/we are.
If a Christian is not concerned about Israel, he or she is in ignorance or error or rebellion.
 

JosephsDreams

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Honestly I've never understood why Christians have such an affinity for Israel as they have rejected the Covenant of Christ. Also according to the book of Galatians anyone who accepts he Covenant of Christ is part of the Covenant of Abraham so there is really nothing special about Israel
I guess then you feel the same about your parents, grand parents, great grand parents, and so on.
 
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What a lot of Christians forget, or just don't realize, is that there is a better then 50/50 chance many of them are descendants of the lost tribes.
The bible says that God will gather them up in the last days. So those tribes were not wiped off the face of the earth, as some clam.
They settled all over the place, but a major portion of them in Europe.
God knows where they/we are.
If a Christian is not concerned about Israel, he or she is in ignorance or error or rebellion.
Only God can know the hearts of any of the people who live in Israel, but it sure would be nice if they would stop fighting over a piece of the ground.

Personally, my main concern is that the leadership of Israel is being played and funded by you-know-who.
 

JosephsDreams

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Only God can know the hearts of any of the people who live in Israel, but it sure would be nice if they would stop fighting over a piece of the ground.

Personally, my main concern is that the leadership of Israel is being played and funded by you-know-who.
That's cool.
Yet what ever our feelings about, and the short comings of, the Israeli people and nation, still need to be obedient and pray for and support Israel.
 
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kaylagrl

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Only God can know the hearts of any of the people who live in Israel, but it sure would be nice if they would stop fighting over a piece of the ground.

Personally, my main concern is that the leadership of Israel is being played and funded by you-know-who.

This is why they are fighting over a piece of ground,check it out... Hope the link works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2hZ6SlSqq0
 

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There are many thousands of Jews who do not live in the state of Israel, do not want to and probably never will. This fallacy that millions are flocking there is an illusion. The Israeli government allows citizenship to any Jewish person who settles there and yet after nearly seventy years there are probably still more living in the US than the whole Israeli population.
One needs to ask why. More important If the foundation of the Israeli state is part of Gods plan when did he change his mind about the possession of the land depending on obedience to him. See Jer 19
 
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Dude653

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I grew up Baptist and I'll always heard that I have to support Israel....no I dont.... there is no biblical basis for this mandate
 

T_Laurich

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I grew up Baptist and I'll always heard that I have to support Israel....no I dont.... there is no biblical basis for this mandate
Genesis 12:3
Isaiah 60:40
Numbers 24:9

Granted: Zechariah 12:1-14 says those who lift up Israel will hurt themselves.
But there is a biblical reason for this bias.
 

Dude653

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Those are all Old Testament scriptures under the old Covenant. This changes in the New Testament when you look in the book of Galatians and it tells us that anyone who accepts Christ as part of the Covenant of Abraham. In my opinion this Christian affinity for Israel is idolatry
 
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It's one gigantic switch and bait.

The Church is Israel.

Anything else claiming such is an imposter. A switch and bait. A replacement.

Sadly many people will fall for this magic trick.
 
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It's one gigantic switch and bait.

The Church is Israel.

Anything else claiming such is an imposter. A switch and bait. A replacement.

Sadly many people will fall for this magic trick.
Just saying.....it is BAIT and SWITCH..................as far as the rest.......!
 
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kaylagrl

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Just saying.....it is BAIT and SWITCH..................as far as the rest.......!
Quote"The Church is Israel."


They twist Scripture even though it clearly is talking in certain verses to Israel and in other verses to the church. But when Preterism is you theology you can't accept what God Word says. She makes it fit her theology and will accept nothing else. Which is her business but she has to deride everyone because they don't believe her theology.
 
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(Ignoring the obvious slander), When did the church commence?

If you cannot answer this, then how can you even contemplate the matter?