God bless outgoing Pres. Obama for pardoning PFC Manning and General J. Cartwright

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HeraldtheNews

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PARDON OF RET. MAJ. GENERAL JAMES CARTWRIGHT

Outgoing President Obama did the right thing in pardoning these two individuals, absolutely and without question. One, Ret. Maj. General James Cartwright, was and is a national hero, and former Commander of US Strategic Command and second highest uniformed officer. It is unimaginable that federal prosecutors would deliberately deceive and betray the trust of such a highly decorated US Commander for giving sensitive information to journalists in his retirement that was given with an insistence that national security not be compromised. This shows the true nature of those who would abuse their intelligence authority to seek to undermine national security themselves through their own dishonorable treachery, and the career of a US Commander, who never had any intention of taking actions that would threaten national security.

Having access to intelligence information and capabilities does not give federal employees license to secretly go after those who have honorably served America, simply because they can make it work on paper. Such misguided legalism was condemned by Christ That's called "legalism for the sake of legalism," that betrays the higher purpose of the law, which is to protect freedom. Those who did so, and their supervisors, should be held accountable for treason.
The military is not above oversight, in fact, it is the duty of civilians, as well as military commanders, to provide such oversight in order to prevent abuses of war. War does not give anyone license to murder enemies of the state.

One crucial example is the late, US Captain Hugh Thompson, who flew his helicopter into the line of fire of those who were murdering innocent civilians, elderly, women and children, during the Vietnam war. He received the "medal of heroism," some 30 years later, for disobeying orders, and threatening to shoot soldiers who mistakenly believed they were authorized to murder civilians, simply because "intelligence," proclaimed that innocent villagers had become "enemies," and those in command ordered them to do so.

War is becoming more and more obsolete, and takes a higher toll on those who are forced to fight them, although, sometimes it is necessary to oppose evil. Jesus even commended a Roman commander for his faith and integrity, who was considered a friend of Israel by the Jewish community. King David was also a warrior and king, and favored by God, who was forced to defend Israel against violent enemies.

Cartwright's attorney and former White House counsel, stated that, "We are deeply grateful for President Obama's decision to pardon General Cartwright...Current and former leaders of the American national security community have, almost with one voice, stood up for General Cartwright. We thank them for supporting a man who is truly one of our nations' heroes."


PARDON OF PFC MANNING

It may, at times, be the job of the state of punish those who are perceived as acting contrary to it's interests, but, it is the job of the church, and civilian leaders, to show mercy to those who have been given punishment that clearly amounts to "cruel and unusual punishment," under modern standards of a civilized society. This is why war-hawks like Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas, someone whose own sexual identity has been challenged, have no right to make comments like, "This was grave harm to our national security and Chelsea Manning is serving a sentence and should continue serving that sentence." Would he have been one of those who dragged women and children villagers into a ditch and machine gunned them as was done in the Mai Lai massacre? Is he a real soldier, who values life, or a wannabe hired gun with no compassion on the suffering?

Sentencing someone like Manning, already battling their own demons, to 35 years in an animal cage for actions that could not be determined as to the severity of the threat to national security, was clearly "cruel and unusual punishment," in violation of the 8th amendment.

 

Oncefallen

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**facepalm**
 

SCHISM

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I heard on foxnews radio that Mr. Manning released 70,000 classified documents. Perhaps the radio person misspoke concerning that number.

However, I cannot fathom a person reading 70,000 documents to know how that classified information might put the lives of others at risk.

Therefore, I think Obama is wrong.
 
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I'm glad they're pardoned because Hillary is also guilty of treason and sedition but obviously she was untouched. Other than that, another day, another abcdeF pqrstU from our now former president oboy.
 

Oncefallen

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I heard on foxnews radio that Mr. Manning released 70,000 classified documents. Perhaps the radio person misspoke concerning that number.
Either they misspoke or you misremembered the number since it was actually in the ballpark of 700,000 documents.
 

cavil51

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Regarding Manning,
United States Code of Military Justice
Sec. 906a - Art. 106a. Espionage
(a)(1) Any person subject to this chapter who, with intent or reason to believe that it is to be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of a foreign nation, communicates, delivers, or transmits, or attempts to communicate, deliver, or transmit, to any entity described in paragraph (2), either directly or indirectly, anything described in paragraph (3) shall be punished as a court-martial may direct, except that if the accused is found guilty of an offense that directly concerns (A) nuclear weaponry, military spacecraft or satellites, early warning systems, or other means of defense or retaliation against large scale attack, (B) war plans, (C) communications intelligence or cryptographic information, or (D) any other major weapons system or major element of defense strategy, the accused shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.
Be Well,
cavil
 

T_Laurich

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Regarding Manning,
United States Code of Military Justice
Sec. 906a - Art. 106a. Espionage
(a)(1) Any person subject to this chapter who, with intent or reason to believe that it is to be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of a foreign nation, communicates, delivers, or transmits, or attempts to communicate, deliver, or transmit, to any entity described in paragraph (2), either directly or indirectly, anything described in paragraph (3) shall be punished as a court-martial may direct, except that if the accused is found guilty of an offense that directly concerns (A) nuclear weaponry, military spacecraft or satellites, early warning systems, or other means of defense or retaliation against large scale attack, (B) war plans, (C) communications intelligence or cryptographic information, or (D) any other major weapons system or major element of defense strategy, the accused shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.
Be Well,
cavil
Sorry but the punishment of death federally was overturned long ago... The only state which still has a law of death for espionage is New Mexico.

But I do personally think that Manning should never have been pardoned.
 
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...just when you thought you couldn't see anything more ridiculous or absurd than what you just read, someone comes along and one-ups the other with their own OP.
 

Dude653

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If they leaked classified information then they deserve to be in prison ..... along with Edward Snowden
 

notuptome

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Sorry but the punishment of death federally was overturned long ago... The only state which still has a law of death for espionage is New Mexico.

But I do personally think that Manning should never have been pardoned.
Perhaps in a civilian court but the military court is a different story. Firing squad is too honorable so I would go with hanging.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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If you truly knew how wicked these world leaders are you wouldn't say God bless them. Especially Obama
 

SparkleEyes

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OP (Heralkthenews) You are a bold man for posting something like this on this website! Good for you! Don't stop swimming up the stream!! Christians are persecuted even in our own land. :cool:
 
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JustWhoIAm

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There's a lot of good in America.

That being said, our policy of expansionism and advancement of the global domination agenda by much of our leadership is not good. A lot of innocent people get killed and a lot of cover-ups happen to keep the opinions of the public in line with the 'official' narrative. Transparency in all levels of government is a good thing.

Pity it takes those who are being accused of treason by casting light on what is actually happening to help the ball roll.

A lot of people who strongly disagree with the way our government conducts its affairs still love this country and what it is supposed to stand for, myself included. Apple pie and all that.

 

HeraldtheNews

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Regarding Manning,
United States Code of Military Justice
Sec. 906a - Art. 106a. Espionage
(a)(1) Any person subject to this chapter who, with intent or reason to believe that it is to be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of a foreign nation, communicates, delivers, or transmits, or attempts to communicate, deliver, or transmit, to any entity described in paragraph (2), either directly or indirectly, anything described in paragraph (3) shall be punished as a court-martial may direct, except that if the accused is found guilty of an offense that directly concerns (A) nuclear weaponry, military spacecraft or satellites, early warning systems, or other means of defense or retaliation against large scale attack, (B) war plans, (C) communications intelligence or cryptographic information, or (D) any other major weapons system or major element of defense strategy, the accused shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.
Be Well,
cavil
So, spys, acting covertly, deliberately attempt to deceive "with intent or reason to believe that it is to be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of a foreign nation," [Sec. 906a-Art. 106a] and compromise the reputation of a high-ranking military commander, and the classified nature of his civil and military authority, who had access to sensitive information during his career, are not themselves violating Sec. 906a - Art. 106a. Espionage? Their very actions threatened national security by revealing publicly and deliberately--leaking classified information to the world--by identifying the nature of the classified information and exposing a commanders covert clearance, through their betrayal of a high-ranking military commander's trust. America is "One Nation Under God," and "One Nation Under Congress," Not, "One Nation Under Intelligence;" or "One Nation Under Law," or "One Nation Under a Military Court," or "One Nation Under Betrayal."

So, according to your argument, the intelligence officers and their supervisors who decided, without any authorization from Congress, or public accountability, to entrap a leader of the United States of America, thereby threatening national security, putting the letter of the law over freedom and national safety, have committed espionage, and thereby, according to the law are deserving of the death penalty. Don't forget yourself in that as well, since all people live under the death penalty of the Law.

The integrity of high-ranking military Commanders and their classified mission, and national security, is far more important than some clueless, junior, regulation-quoting paper-pushers, who try and win wars by quoting textbook procedures.

And, sentencing a deeply troubled soldier, such as PFC Manning, to 35 years in prison, for actions having vague consequences, and likely motivated by behavioral health concerns, amounts to a death penalty by default, which is clearly "cruel and unusual punishment," in violation of the 8th amendment.
 

SCHISM

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Blessing Obama is a good thing. (Matthew 5:44)