Trump didn't bother to show up in Situation Room for botched Yemen raid

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Smoke

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When it comes to warfare politicians are useless.
Not only are politicians useless in warfare, but businessmen are apparently just as useless. He wasn't the first president to kill innocent civilians and he unfortunately won't be the last.
 
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Susanna

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Not only are politicians useless in warfare, but businessmen are apparently just as useless. He wasn't the first president to kill innocent civilians and he unfortunately won't be the last.
They've never seen war, they don't know what it's like.
 

Billyd

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If the president is always in the situation room for a raid on an ISIS target, he wouldn't have time to accomplish anything else. Why do we have a Secretary of Defense and the military leadership? Stop fighting every battle in the press, and get the job done. WAR IS NOT A PRETTY SIGHT. Ask any combat vet?
 
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It's a good photo OP, I'm sure, but I'm failing to see how they influence anything happening on the ground by sitting in that little room for hours. Don't they simply get news updates in there, the same as he does no matter where he is at the time?
 
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Susanna

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If the president is always in the situation room for a raid on an ISIS target, he wouldn't have time to accomplish anything else. Why do we have a Secretary of Defense and the military leadership? Stop fighting every battle in the press, and get the job done. WAR IS NOT A PRETTY SIGHT. Ask any combat vet?
No politician has ever cared for the veterans...will he?
 

Tommy379

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The children were probably used as human shields by the coward muslims.
 

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I'm fairly certain that he wasn't golfing.
 

AngelFrog

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Where was he yesterday?
On February 1st? Making an unannounced appearance at the Dover Air Force Base in Dover Delaware so as to show his respect for the Navy Seal that died in the Yemen raid.
 

Utah

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No politician has ever cared for the veterans...will he?
There are some exceptions. I served under Ronald Reagan and he was amazingly appreciative and gracious regarding military veterans across the board. He took away the Navy custome of letting us have beards, and many of us were upset, but it was entirely for our best interest.
 

p_rehbein

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What definition is being used for "botched?" As well, what is the purpose of the Article?

To say that had Trump been present in the Situation Room the raid would not have been "botched?"

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To say that the raid was "botched?"

As I understand it, about 14 terrorists were eliminated.......and a bounty of possible Intelligence was gained from the Computers/Phones and such taken from the Complex.............

Sad that we lost a brave man, but that is the danger our Soldiers/Sailors face each and every day. Also sad that there were civilian casualties........but, that also, is the way war goes.

Still, what is their definition of "botched?"
 
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Susanna

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What definition is being used for "botched?" As well, what is the purpose of the Article?

To say that had Trump been present in the Situation Room the raid would not have been "botched?"

or

To say that the raid was "botched?"

As I understand it, about 14 terrorists were eliminated.......and a bounty of possible Intelligence was gained from the Computers/Phones and such taken from the Complex.............

Sad that we lost a brave man, but that is the danger our Soldiers/Sailors face each and every day. Also sad that there were civilian casualties........but, that also, is the way war goes.

Still, what is their definition of "botched?"
Today any casualties equals a botched operation. People believe warfare is like video games. Firing left and right, and by the end of the day it was just a game. Not so in Yemen and other places.
 

tanakh

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The children were probably used as human shields by the coward muslims.
Which Muslims are you referring to ? As far as I can see all warring parties are Muslims., Question is why are The US forces there in the first place? Another question is how long will it be before trump finds sufficient excuse to attack Iran, that is if he needs one at all?
 

maxwel

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This headline, and story, are just sensationalized non-issues by the left.



1. This article is from Daily Kos, an extremely left-wing website that hate's Trump's very existence.


No surprise if they dislike everything he does, and everything he doesn't do.


2. The word "botched" is just ridiculous, inflammatory, and inaccurate.
The mission achieved it's objective.

During the process people got hurt on both sides.

This is what happens in war.
People die.
This is why we should avoid war as much as possible.

Did everything go perfectly?
No.
That's why war is bad.
We should avoid war as much as we can,
because people get hurt.


3. Trump being outside the situation room is a complete non-issue.

This military action had been planned for months, by experts, and it was carried out by experts.
There were multiple levels of military experts, on top of other military experts, all watching in command over other military experts.

Regardless of which room Trump is sitting in getting live updates,
all he's going to do is let the military experts run the military raid...
which is exactly what he SHOULD be doing.

Seriously, does anyone want a civilian on the radio telling operatives in the field how to change their minute-to-minute field tactics which he isn't trained to know anything about?
Of course not.

The president puts military experts in charge of military actions.
Then he lets them do their job, while he receives updates.

This whole deal is just a non-issue brought up by the left.
(The left makes a mountain out of non-issues every week.)


4.Civilians got hurt: this is always a bad thing, but I don't even form opinions on civilian casualties till I see multiple reports come in from all sides.

This is the type of issue that is almost always propagandized, and altered, during military actions.

Civilian casualties do occur, for all manner of different reasons - however, it's also a common statistic for people to INFLATE, or even FABRICATE in order to PROPAGANDIZE. This happens in many military actions.

I have no opinion on this till multiple reports come in from all sides.

FYI: there are countless instances of civilian casualties being inflated, deflated, or even wholly fabricated, by BOTH sides, during many military actions. You can find video footage proving this. It's extremely hard for us to know what really happens in a nighttime raid across the globe on another continent... at least for a while.
 
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This headline, and story, are just sensationalized non-issues by the left.



1. This article is from Daily Kos, an extremely left-wing website that hate's Trump's very existence.


No surprise if they dislike everything he does, and everything he doesn't do.


2. The word "botched" is just ridiculous, inflammatory, and inaccurate.
The mission achieved it's objective.

During the process people got hurt on both sides.

This is what happens in war.
People die.
This is why we should avoid war as much as possible.

Did everything go perfectly?
No.
That's why war is bad.
We should avoid war as much as we can,
because people get hurt.


3. Trump being outside the situation room is a complete non-issue.

This military action had been planned for months, by experts, and it was carried out by experts.
There were multiple levels of military experts, on top of other military experts, all watching in command over other military experts.

Regardless of which room Trump is sitting in getting live updates,
all he's going to do is let the military experts run the military raid...
which is exactly what he SHOULD be doing.

Seriously, does anyone want a civilian on the radio telling operatives in the field how to change their minute-to-minute field tactics which he isn't trained to know anything about?
Of course not.

The president puts military experts in charge of military actions.
Then he lets them do their job, while he receives updates.

This whole deal is just a non-issue brought up by the left.
(The left makes a mountain out of non-issues every week.)


4.Civilians got hurt: this is always a bad thing, but I don't even form opinions on civilian casualties till I see multiple reports come in from all sides.

This is the type of issue that is almost always propagandized, and altered, during military actions.

Civilian casualties do occur, for all manner of different reasons - however, it's also a common statistic for people to INFLATE, or even FABRICATE in order to PROPAGANDIZE. This happens in many military actions.

I have no opinion on this till multiple reports come in from all sides.

FYI: there are countless instances of civilian casualties being inflated, deflated, or even wholly fabricated, by BOTH sides, during many military actions. You can find video footage proving this. It's extremely hard for us to know what really happens in a nighttime raid across the globe on another continent... at least for a while.
May I copy this for some people I know?
 

Tommy379

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Which Muslims are you referring to ? As far as I can see all warring parties are Muslims., Question is why are The US forces there in the first place? Another question is how long will it be before trump finds sufficient excuse to attack Iran, that is if he needs one at all?
First, all muslims are evil cowards, second the US was there to kill some known terrorist and collect intel, third, all muslims want all who are not muslim dead, so it affects us too.

I see St. George's closs above your name, and you are on a Christian forum, so I can assume the muslims want you dead too.
 

Utah

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Every time I see the title of this thread I'm reminded that obama didn't bother to show up for eight years of his botched presidency.