Rapist Priests in Oz

[Thompalin]

7 Percent of Australian Catholic Priests Accused of Abuse

Seven percent of priests in Australia's Catholic Church were accused of sexually abusing children over the past several decades, a lawyer said Monday as officials investigating institutional abuse across Australia revealed for the first time the extent of the crisis.
The statistics were released during the opening address of a hearing of Australia's Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse. The royal commission — which is Australia's highest form of inquiry — has been investigating since 2013 how the Catholic Church and other institutions responded to the sexual abuse of children over decades.
The commission has previously heard harrowing testimony from scores of people who suffered abuse at the hands of clergy. But the full scale of the problem was never clear until Monday, when the commission released the statistics it has gathered.
Commissioners surveyed Catholic Church authorities and found that between 1980 and 2015, 4,444 people reported they had been abused at more than 1,000 Catholic institutions across Australia, said Gail Furness, the lead lawyer assisting the commission. The average age of the victims was 10.5 for girls and 11.5 for boys.
Overall, 7 percent of priests in Australia between 1950 and 2010 were accused of sexually abusing children, Furness said.
Francis Sullivan, CEO of the Truth Justice and Healing Council, which is coordinating the Catholic Church's response to the inquiry, said the data reflected "a massive failure" by the church to protect children.
"These numbers are shocking, they are tragic and they are indefensible," a tearful Sullivan told the commission. "As Catholics, we hang our heads in shame."
The Vatican has watched the proceedings closely. Cardinal George Pell, who was Australia's most senior Catholic before becoming Pope Francis' top financial adviser, has testified at previous hearings about how church authorities responded to allegations of child sex abuse during his time in Australia.
Several senior Australian Catholics will be testifying over the next few weeks. The commission's final report is due by the end of this year.

Source: http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/percent-australian-catholic-priests-accused-abuse-45291674

 

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This is what happens when you make a tradition of men preventing men from marrying.. Which the catholic church does for it's priests::

1Timothy 4 : KJV
1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.


Oh and abstaining from meats is also a catholic religions traditions of men teaching.. true catholics will abstain from eating meat on friday during lent .. ash wednesday and "good friday" ..

Also God declares that those who disbelieve Him are given over to a depraved mind and there is nothing more depraved then sexual lust and abuse of little ones::

Romans 1 KJV
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through thelusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

 

[plainguy]

If you think this is only a "Catholic" problem, you are fooling yourself. A simple internet search will show how widespread this is across all denominations, both Catholic and Protestant. One's no better than the other.

 

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If you think this is only a "Catholic" problem, you are fooling yourself. A simple internet search will show how widespread this is across all denominations, both Catholic and Protestant. One's no better than the other.

Ohh i never said this was only a catholic problem...

 

[plainguy]

Ohh i never said this was only a catholic problem...

Roger that. Sadly, it happens across the board. I know that we all have our personal struggles at times ... but this is one issue that I will never comprehend. Major wires crossed in the minds of these types of offenders.

 

[kaylagrl]

Roger that. Sadly, it happens across the board. I know that we all have our personal struggles at times ... but this is one issue that I will never comprehend. Major wires crossed in the minds of these types of offenders.

Some people cant be in a place of authority. JMO

 

[imfinallyfree]

It's not a isolated problem with individuals not being right in the head this is a organized effort to corrupt the world.

They've realized that when you corrupt them before they are intellectually,emotionally,thus spiritually mature they not only stay corrupt they also corrupt others in their many years of life.

Think about it,they are all quantity a person corrupted at 12 yrs old corrupts many many more people than a person corrupted when they are 50yrs old

I know that there are a lot of catholics that honestly don't know that they are part of a satanic cult because that's the power of satan all we can do is pray for them.

People that aren't in satans cult so not under his spells can see it plain as day.

They colonize the world forcibly making people be part of the cult and believe their teachings,while their main teaching is that you can do whatever you want all you have to do is stop by church once a week give the cult money confess what you've done then rinse and repeat,if you do this all of your life you'll go to Heaven,I know that it's not just the catholics in fact they started the other denominations in order to take focus off of them.

 

[maxwel]

If you think this is only a "Catholic" problem, you are fooling yourself. A simple internet search will show how widespread this is across all denominations, both Catholic and Protestant. One's no better than the other.

I'm not willing to accept that without real and verifiable statistics.

I'm not going to just accept that, blindly, as a Catholic apologetic, and just give the entire Catholic system a pass.

I would wager that statistically, the problems with Catholic priests are far above any norms or averages.



That doesn't mean I dislike individual Catholics.
It's just that there are problems with the Catholic systems and doctrines, which come from the top down.
Creating a caste of celibate priests is just setting yourself up for failure.

 

[imfinallyfree]

That's precisely the point of catholic teaching.

They says that everyone was born a sinner(I call them failures because only God and that one guy at the end can judge people) and God expects us to fail.

Some people have such a twisted concept that they think that is necessary to fail just so you can be forgiven because if you aren't forgiven you can't go to Heaven.

 

[donlandy]

I'm not willing to accept that without real and verifiable statistics. I'm not going to just accept that, blindly, as a Catholic apologetic, and just give the entire Catholic system a pass. I would wager that statistically, the problems with Catholic priests are far above any norms or averages. That doesn't mean I dislike individual Catholics. It's just that there are problems with the Catholic systems and doctrines, which come from the top down. Creating a caste of celibate priests is just setting yourself up for failure.

These people you are referring to as Priests are not validly ordained and cannot be Priests.

 

[maxwel]

These people you are referring to as Priests are not validly ordained and cannot be Priests.

You don't like me using the word priest?


Well, if someone is talking about priests, and I join in the discussion and suddenly call them something else... then I don't suppose anyone will know what I'm talking about will they?

And if nobody knows what I'm talking about,
how exactly can I join in the discussion?




When engaging in debate, we all need to put on our big boy pants,
and not get so offended by a harmless word that we obviate all ability to communicate.

 

[plainguy]

I'm not willing to accept that without real and verifiable statistics.

Your rejection or acceptance is irrelevant. And so is your "who's worse percentage wise wager". Does it matter if abusive Catholic priests sit at 7% ... and protestant clergy in the 4-5% range ... or vice-versa ?

"Sexual abuse of children is "one of the great tragedies of the modern (Protestant) church," a crime that often is ignored by congregations who should be focused on nurturing the next generation of believers, said Basyle "Boz" Tchividjian, a former Florida sex crimes prosecutor and grandson of famed evangelist Billy Graham.
Tchividjian's comments came as Houston jurisdictions of the United Methodist and Evangelical Lutheran churches this week host training sessions for clergy on the danger of "moral failure." As many as 300 Methodist ministers on Wednesday are to attend sexual ethics training conducted by the 675-congregation Texas Annual Conference. Similar seminars are being staged by the Evangelical Lutheran church's Gulf Coast Synod in communities in the greater Houston area.

"I can tell you in my own experience that there are hundreds and hundreds of abuse cases that have occurred within the Protestant context," said Tchividjian, a Liberty University law professor and founder of Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment, a non-profit organization working to identify and prevent sexual abuse of children in church settings.
"The absolute tragedy is that not only do churches fail to protect children. It's the dismal responses. All too often a congregation's response is to protect itself," Tchividjian said. "We love redemption stories. All the offender has to do is cry and express his or her sorrow, and pretty soon they're surrounded by rejoicing. They may even make the victim feel he or she was to blame."

Tchividjian said one-fourth of females and one-sixth of males have experienced sexual abuse by the time they turn 18. "That may not all have happened in a church setting," he said, "but most pastors are absolutely ill-equipped to understand this issue."
While much concern about sexual abuse of children has focused on the Catholic church, Tchividjian said the situation within Protestant congregations remains a hidden crisis. "When things surfaced within the Catholic church, a lot of people in the Protestant world reacted with shock and pointing of their fingers at the Catholics," he said. "Their reaction was not to take a step back to evaluate sexual abuse in their own denominations."
Tchividjian said his organization seeks to educate the Protestant community regarding how sexual predators "think and act," providing expert assistance to congregations grappling with abuse and, in some instances, investigating allegations of wrongdoing.
"As Christians, we believe in a Gospel that is about a God sacrificing himself in order to preserve and protect individuals. When it comes to child sexual abuse, too many churches and Christian organizations prefer to sacrifice individuals in order to protect themselves. We end up living out the very antithesis of the Gospel that we preach. The consequences are devastating."

Billy Graham's grandson on Protestants' response to child sex abuse - Houston Chronicle

 

[BeyondET]

If you think this is only a "Catholic" problem, you are fooling yourself. A simple internet search will show how widespread this is across all denominations, both Catholic and Protestant. One's no better than the other.

Here's something disturbing around 70% of all reported rapes (adults included in that precent) are of children.. Sickening indeed all rapes no matter who it is.. But just saying.. 70% are children.
And that is from religious and non religious accounts.

 

[17Bees]

I'm not willing to accept that without real and verifiable statistics.

I'm not going to just accept that, blindly, as a Catholic apologetic, and just give the entire Catholic system a pass.

I would wager that statistically, the problems with Catholic priests are far above any norms or averages.



That doesn't mean I dislike individual Catholics.
It's just that there are problems with the Catholic systems and doctrines, which come from the top down.
Creating a caste of celibate priests is just setting yourself up for failure.

I wouldn't accept it blindly either - either way. There hasn't really been any comprehensive study regarding Protestant clergy or leaders. And it would be hard to do considering that many church leaders or "preachers" are not formally ordained or are traveling evangelist or are in other ways hard to link with being "Protestant and child molesters" along with an emerging class of non-denominational churches that might not fit a Protestant mold. In contrast, Catholic clergy can easily be connected with a centralized church hierarchy, easily identified and numbered and thus pointed out as chief among the child molesting sinners.

If people think Catholic clergy are satanic child raping cultists, then knock yourselves out, but I can tell you this verifiable fact. There are far far more children affected by child molestation by Protestant clergy and leaders just by the mere fact that Protestants outnumber Catholics by about 80% to 20. And if one child is subjected to one of these life altering traumas, I'd be hard pressed to do nothing about it except point out the offender's religion.

 

[plainguy]

Here's something disturbing around 70% of all reported rapes (adults included in that precent) are of children.. Sickening indeed all rapes no matter who it is.. But just saying.. 70% are children.
And that is from religious and non religious accounts.

It's beyond disturbing. Billy Graham's grandson (who authored my previous post) was only one prosecutor.. of one county .. of one state .. and yet, he personally encountered "hundreds and hundreds" of child victims. It's mind-boggling. In another article he wrote, he speaks of the "mission fields" as being a magnet for this type of crime where the perpetrators merely get sent home. Very little publicized, per say. I'm simply saying that it is far worse than what meets the eye .. and across many denominations.

 

[BeyondET]

Im not going to call out churches as a issue, it's a people issue that can go into any part of this world. In churches, out of churches, in homes etc.. Though the RCC open a can of worms with not allowing married men to be priest..

Child Molestation is still today a silent crime, And it's not reported enough or talked about and this causes the child molester to get away with it.. Because the trauma of it, has traumatized the child, in some cases can take years and years just to open up and tell someone..

 

[BeyondET]

The RCC basically without even knowing,, mounted a sign here come all you hidden child molesters you can get away with it here..

 

[BeyondET]

lol well I guess I didn't stick to my word that I wasn't going to call out a church, but IMO the RCC got some straightening out to do with their doctrine just my view of it..

 

[plainguy]

Im not going to call out churches as a issue, it's a people issue that can go into any part of this world. In churches, out of churches, in homes etc.. Though the RCC open a can of worms with not allowing married men to be priest..

Child Molestation is still today a silent crime, And it's not reported enough or talked about and this causes the child molester to get away with it.. Because the trauma of it, has traumatized the child, in some cases can take years and years just to open up and tell someone..

Thing is, having a spouse isn't something that would satisfy the desires of anybody that's attracted to children, regardless. Many child abusers are married. That said, I do think the RCC's stance on celibacy is narrow-minded, short-sighted ... and dumb.

 

[donlandy]

The RCC basically without even knowing,, mounted a sign here come all you hidden child molesters you can get away with it here..

There is an unwritten rule between the so-called Vatican 2 Priests' and the Parishioners'; if the so-called Vatican 2 Priests' overlook the sins of the Parishioners', the Parishioners'' will overlook the sins of Vatican 2.