Jesus’ Answer To President Trump’s Immigration Ban

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prove-all

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"If liberty can blossom in the rocky soil of the West Bank and Gaza, it will inspire millions
of men and women around the globe who are equally weary of poverty and oppression,
equally entitled to the benefits of democratic government.
This did not work, see it is proven you can not have peace
or trust with those who try and want to kill you.

obama says we can trust Irans nuke program,
history shows Iran has lied or decieved constantly, and even mocking us now.

We tried this trust thing with North Korea, they got nukes anyway, guess what
Iran Is Progressing Towards Nuclear Weapons Via North Korea
https://besacenter.org/perspectives-papers/iran-progressing-nuclear-weapons-via-north-korea/



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_David_Accords
a Framework for Peace in the Middle East, Israel gives up land, like the West Bank and Gaza,
only to be attacked more often , and enemy moves attacks closer to there borders.


Do you know most of the world has turned on Israel for no good reason ?
the bible tells this would happen in the end times, right before Christs return.

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#1 “Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation”
#2 “We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation.”




yes sad to say, the bible talks about a falling away from the christian faith.
but some still believe in the documents, that of our founding created, in ways was very much
molded after the bible. the first libranian supplyed bibles to schools.


first they took him out of the classroom, then they stopped teaching history, now they teach
something so distorted our young adults [even you] believe america is the worlds worst problems.




This means that Bush (a great hero to many here) is also a secular Muslim ... or possibly worse.

Who here ever said Bush was A hero ? or even mentioned him besides you on this thread?
only time i said bush was my last post, you seem to have some deep hate for the guy.
You seem to believe Iran and Iraq are both the good guys, and only defence is bush did it.


Do you blame Bush and his [imperialistic government] for Iran wanting to wipe out the jews ?
Do you want to still dodge the question: does Iran have the moral right to kill them and take the land?


You blame Trump for breaking the law on immagration, this was known to be court overreach.
then you tried to complain that obama did not do the same thing, saying thats why it was illeagal.
The point is Trump has followed the law, want a list of offences to the law committed by obama?
The laws obama was required to uphold, like immigration laws, remember obama amnisty?


The continued push of the former president, to call america to stand up and fight againest the
elected officals in defiance is helping to bring about America’s Coming Civil War: you aprove.
this is in itself is againest the bible, and anti- american at that, blame us now for saving the world in wwii also?


where is the outcry when soon some americans can not even cross state lines without a passport?
Passports Required For Domestic Travel In 2016, But IRS Can Revoke Passports For Taxes
http://www.forbes.com/sites#/sites/...assports-required-for-domestic-travel-in-2016


-but-irs-can-revoke-passports-for-taxes/


let them in with no IDs and let them go till there court date maybe a year in the future.
you twist a story and blame the current president for ISIS not being defeated in 30 days,
something obama sayed he completed back in 2010. you claimed the current pentagon laughed
at his immigration plans, even though he asked pentagon for them.


#1 “Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation”
#2 “We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation.”
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yes sad so sad to say, the bible talks about a falling away from the christian faith.
but some still believe in the documents, that of our founding created, in ways was very much
molded after the bible. the first libranian supplyed bibles to schools.


first they took him out of the classroom, then they stopped teaching history, now they teach
something so distorted our young adults [even you] believe america is the worlds worst problems.
 
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"gas lighting"




Laughable, especially in view of the fact that I back up my posts with facts while you continue to post attacks. By some miracle your fellow right wing friends here, somehow, miss them. Such selectivity is not in compliance with biblical law which expressly states that a true adherent must treat everyone alike. But then, I repeat myself.


Oh, by the way since I have your attention, I'm still waiting for your proof that I have called for open borders here. Have you found your "evidence" {sic} yet?
Facts eh? Thats the funniest thing I heard all day. A guy who calls CNN a right wing organization. Lol. And I asked you point blank to state your position but you refuse. People with hidden agendas like you won't be honest...they can't or they would lose the game...... All they can do is attack attack attack. Just like you do on this forum. You don't have any facts....all you got is propaganda and lies.
 

prove-all

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You slammed our president on talking tough on the military, even though he was dead on right.
America has not won a war in a very long time, and our military is in shambles.
we could not even take on Iran right now, thanks to obama for all that money they recieved,
and world prestiege, that it shows to the world we are week and have lost the pride of our power.

In Iraq alone, the U.S. spent $50 billion on reconstruction. The Special Inspector General
for Iraq Reconstruction estimated at least $8 billion of it was wasted.

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How safe is the United States? Could it be defeated by a foreign nation? why more money?


America has the most expensive military , doesn’t necessarily mean it has the strongest.
My guess sorry to say, is the new money allotted to the military will be to little to late.
Trump and our military leaders know we are week, just have to read the latest headlines.


America Thrusts Wives and Moms Into Combat
Equality in Action: Women Now Allowed on Front-line Battles

The decision overruled Marine Corps objections for its continued exclusion of women.
the former commandant of the Marine Corps, argued that months of testing revealed
mixed-gender units were not as capable as all-male units. the enemy laughts at this weekness


A traditional-thinking male seeks to protect a woman.An honorable man shields a female
from danger and hurt.. And within a gender-integrated theater of combat, it introduces
a host of complications. what does the bible say about this?

A leader is expected to view that woman not as a woman, but simply as a soldier—a grunt
whom he must be able to send into harm’s way. In the up-is-down moral climate of today’s
military, his reluctance to pitch her into the lion’s den is chauvinistic and sexist!

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U.S. Marine Corps Not Combat Ready
More Than Half of U.S. Navy Aircraft Grounded
Report: America Too Dependent on China’s Ships
$6 Billion for Faulty Submarines
Broken: America’s Latest Failed Supercarrier
Nuclear Weapons and an Unstable World


Coruption[morality] in military leaders is a serious matter -theifs -bribes -kickbacks
https://www.thetrumpet.com/13887-not-much-bang-for-the-buck

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like “Fat Leonard.” supplied husbanding services to the 7th Fleet for years
He ran Glenn Defense Marine Asia, and used it to steal tens of millions from the U.S. Navy.

If Francis had been working for a foreign power, instead of merely for money, this could have been
not only a financial disaster but also a deadly tactical one.


However, the amount of money squandered is not the most dangerous part of the story.
Instead, it is what this huge waste reveals about the people in charge of America’s security.


Francis was arrested in September 2013, but the scandal’s fallout continues. Both the director of
Naval Intelligence and the director of Intelligence Operations have had their access to classified
material suspended. This has left America in the farcical situation where


"the man running the Navy’s secret operations isn’t trusted to read any secret material"
In 2015, three other admirals were censured and retired.


“Managing the command structure at the top of the Navy has become a nightmare since the Justice Department began the investigation,” wrote Matthew Gault, cohost of Reuters’ military podcasts.
“No one knows who will stay, who will retire, and who will go to jail” (April 13, 2015).

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For generations the Pentagon has run the world’s mightiest armed forces with inadequate
budgetary oversight. “Something needs to change, and it needs to change yesterday.

-

Also Skyrocketing costs and an aging military are conspiring to leave America vulnerable
The U.S. and the U.K. are former shells of what they once where, and lost most of the
[worlds sea gates] they once held , without these gates we would have lost both world wars.
you indorce web sites that twist history, and blame all on [the imperialistic governments]

The Defense Logistics Agency is responsible for buying and distributing food, fuel, uniform apparel,

medical supplies and equipment and weapons system repair parts. The dla was recently exposed
spending $7 billion on things it did not need. “How do you buy $7 billion of stuff you don’t need?”
asked Maj. Gen. Arnold Punaro (Ret.), who oversees a special task force on logistics for the
Pentagon. “If a company did that, they’d be out of business. Even Walmart.”
 
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peacenik

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prove-all; said:
This did not work, see it is proven you can not have peace
or trust with those who try and want to kill you.


obama says we can trust Irans nuke program,
history shows Iran has lied or decieved constantly, and even mocking us now.




We tried this trust thing with North Korea, they got nukes anyway, guess what
Iran Is Progressing Towards Nuclear Weapons Via North Korea
https://besacenter.org/perspectives-papers/iran-progressing-nuclear-weapons-via-north-korea/


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_David_Accords
a Framework for Peace in the Middle East, Israel gives up land, like the West Bank and Gaza,
only to be attacked more often , and enemy moves attacks closer to there borders.




Do you know most of the world has turned on Israel for no good reason ?
the bible tells this would happen in the end times, right before Christs return.




#1 “Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation”
#2 “We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation.”




yes sad to say, the bible talks about a falling away from the christian faith.
but some still believe in the documents, that of our founding created, in ways was very much
molded after the bible. the first libranian supplyed bibles to schools.


first they took him out of the classroom, then they stopped teaching history, now they teach
something so distorted our young adults [even you] believe america is the worlds worst problems.







Who here ever said Bush was A hero ? or even mentioned him besides you on this thread?
only time i said bush was my last post, you seem to have some deep hate for the guy.
You seem to believe Iran and Iraq are both the good guys, and only defence is bush did it.


Do you blame Bush and his [imperialistic government] for Iran wanting to wipe out the jews ?
Do you want to still dodge the question: does Iran have the moral right to kill them and take the land?


You blame Trump for breaking the law on immagration, this was known to be court overreach.
then you tried to complain that obama did not do the same thing, saying thats why it was illeagal.
The point is Trump has followed the law, want a list of offences to the law committed by obama?
The laws obama was required to uphold, like immigration laws, remember obama amnisty?


The continued push of the former president, to call america to stand up and fight againest the
elected officals in defiance is helping to bring about America’s Coming Civil War: you aprove.
this is in itself is againest the bible, and anti- american at that, blame us now for saving the world in wwii also?


where is the outcry when soon some americans can not even cross state lines without a passport?
Passports Required For Domestic Travel In 2016, But IRS Can Revoke Passports For Taxes
http://www.forbes.com/sites#/sites/...assports-required-for-domestic-travel-in-2016


-but-irs-can-revoke-passports-for-taxes/


let them in with no IDs and let them go till there court date maybe a year in the future.
you twist a story and blame the current president for ISIS not being defeated in 30 days,
something obama sayed he completed back in 2010. you claimed the current pentagon laughed
at his immigration plans, even though he asked pentagon for them.


#1 “Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation”
#2 “We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation.”




yes sad to say, the bible talks about a falling away from the christian faith.
but some still believe in the documents, that of our founding created, in ways was very much
molded after the bible. the first libranian supplyed bibles to schools.
first they took him out of the classroom, then they stopped teaching history, now they teach
something so distorted our young adults [even you] believe america is the worlds worst problems.







you can not have peace


The New Testament commands that you be at peace with all men. All means ALL with no exceptions.



Irans nuke program

The Ayatollah issued a fatwa against nukes. Kindly supply evidence from the IAEA that Iran has not adhered to its rulings on that matter.



Iran ... and Jews

There are 25,000+ Jews living in Iran. There are virtually ZERO Jews in Sunni Saudi Arabia which is beloved by Bush.




Trump ... and the law

Two courts have ruled that he has VIOLATED the law.




Christian nation

While we have separation of church and state, granting refuge is a biblical mandate. People should be free to follow their conscience on this matter as has been suggested previously.



Bush ... hero

He has certainly been praised here by many. While you did not mention his name above you did say al-Sadr was responsible for the growth of Shiia influence in Iraq. Clearly you were wrong as Bush and his appointed puppet regimes in Baghdad are responsible for that - see my links.




anti American

Nonsense.



where is the outcry when soon some americans can not even cross state lines without a passport?


Passports not required for domestic travel: The Passport Requirements for Flying | USA Today
 

peacenik

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Facts eh? Thats the funniest thing I heard all day. A guy who calls CNN a right wing organization. Lol. And I asked you point blank to state your position but you refuse. People with hidden agendas like you won't be honest...they can't or they would lose the game...... All they can do is attack attack attack. Just like you do on this forum. You don't have any facts....all you got is propaganda and lies.







​Still waiting ....
 
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​Still waiting ....
Why don't you tell us peacenik? Where do you stand on immigration? Just lay it out there man. We're all brothers and sisters in Christ...and should be forthright with each other. Yes meaning yes and all that.... Right peacnik? You pillar of Christian virtue you.
 

peacenik

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You slammed our president on talking tough on the military, even though he was dead on right.
America has not won a war in a very long time, and our military is in shambles.
we could not even take on Iran right now, thanks to obama for all that money they recieved,
and world prestiege, that it shows to the world we are week and have lost the pride of our power.

In Iraq alone, the U.S. spent $50 billion on reconstruction. The Special Inspector General
for Iraq Reconstruction estimated at least $8 billion of it was wasted.

-

How safe is the United States? Could it be defeated by a foreign nation? why more money?


America has the most expensive military , doesn’t necessarily mean it has the strongest.
My guess sorry to say, is the new money allotted to the military will be to little to late.
Trump and our military leaders know we are week, just have to read the latest headlines.


America Thrusts Wives and Moms Into Combat
Equality in Action: Women Now Allowed on Front-line Battles

The decision overruled Marine Corps objections for its continued exclusion of women.
the former commandant of the Marine Corps, argued that months of testing revealed
mixed-gender units were not as capable as all-male units. the enemy laughts at this weekness


A traditional-thinking male seeks to protect a woman.An honorable man shields a female
from danger and hurt.. And within a gender-integrated theater of combat, it introduces
a host of complications. what does the bible say about this?

A leader is expected to view that woman not as a woman, but simply as a soldier—a grunt
whom he must be able to send into harm’s way. In the up-is-down moral climate of today’s
military, his reluctance to pitch her into the lion’s den is chauvinistic and sexist!

-

U.S. Marine Corps Not Combat Ready
More Than Half of U.S. Navy Aircraft Grounded
Report: America Too Dependent on China’s Ships
$6 Billion for Faulty Submarines
Broken: America’s Latest Failed Supercarrier
Nuclear Weapons and an Unstable World


Coruption[morality] in military leaders is a serious matter -theifs -bribes -kickbacks
https://www.thetrumpet.com/13887-not-much-bang-for-the-buck

-
like “Fat Leonard.” supplied husbanding services to the 7th Fleet for years
He ran Glenn Defense Marine Asia, and used it to steal tens of millions from the U.S. Navy.

If Francis had been working for a foreign power, instead of merely for money, this could have been
not only a financial disaster but also a deadly tactical one.


However, the amount of money squandered is not the most dangerous part of the story.
Instead, it is what this huge waste reveals about the people in charge of America’s security.


Francis was arrested in September 2013, but the scandal’s fallout continues. Both the director of
Naval Intelligence and the director of Intelligence Operations have had their access to classified
material suspended. This has left America in the farcical situation where


"the man running the Navy’s secret operations isn’t trusted to read any secret material"
In 2015, three other admirals were censured and retired.


“Managing the command structure at the top of the Navy has become a nightmare since the Justice Department began the investigation,” wrote Matthew Gault, cohost of Reuters’ military podcasts.
“No one knows who will stay, who will retire, and who will go to jail” (April 13, 2015).

-

For generations the Pentagon has run the world’s mightiest armed forces with inadequate
budgetary oversight. “Something needs to change, and it needs to change yesterday.

-

Also Skyrocketing costs and an aging military are conspiring to leave America vulnerable
The U.S. and the U.K. are former shells of what they once where, and lost most of the
[worlds sea gates] they once held , without these gates we would have lost both world wars.
you indorce web sites that twist history, and blame all on [the imperialistic governments]

The Defense Logistics Agency is responsible for buying and distributing food, fuel, uniform apparel,

medical supplies and equipment and weapons system repair parts. The dla was recently exposed
spending $7 billion on things it did not need. “How do you buy $7 billion of stuff you don’t need?”
asked Maj. Gen. Arnold Punaro (Ret.), who oversees a special task force on logistics for the
Pentagon. “If a company did that, they’d be out of business. Even Walmart.”





our military is in shambles


Military budget is well over half a trillion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States





America has the most expensive military , doesn’t necessarily mean it has the strongest.


The Bible teaches that a nation which has faith in God has no need of a military:

Psalm 81:1-15; 27
Deut 28:7
Isaiah 41:12
I Sam 8:20
et seq
 

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Why don't you tell us peacenik? Where do you stand on immigration? Just lay it out there man. We're all brothers and sisters in Christ...and should be forthright with each other. Yes meaning yes and all that.... Right peacnik? You pillar of Christian virtue you.



You have asked that question previously and I answered it. Click on search.

Thank you (I think) for referring to me as "pillar of Christian virtue". However, that designation is most unwarranted, I'm sure.
 
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I guess David was out of God's will, even though he was the apple of God's eye and a mighty man of faith he also had a powerful military force...and he used it.
 
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You have asked that question previously and I answered it. Click on search.

Thank you (I think) for referring to me as "pillar of Christian virtue". However, that designation is most unwarranted, I'm sure.
wow....just wow. Red diaper doper baby we have here.
 

peacenik

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I guess David was out of God's will, even though he was the apple of God's eye and a mighty man of faith he also had a powerful military force...and he used it.


And he was the Psalmist who wrote 81!
 

peacenik

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wow....just wow. Red diaper doper baby we have here.



more attacks - no surprise



by the way, still waiting for your "proof" of your previous claims ...
 

peacenik

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Well, it's beddy bye time. Another day goes by and I am still awaiting Sirk's "proofs". Hopefully, some day he will come up with some.

Good night all and have a Happy Purim. :)
 

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The New Testament commands that you be at peace with all men.
All means ALL with no exceptions.
maybe go read post #149 , or post #14 and all Luke 10

10 But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not,
go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say,
11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you:
notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
12 But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.


did you read post 147 ? Did Jesus say to uphold the law of the governing body?
http://christianchat.com/christian-...usa-answer-president-trumpa-s-immigration-ban


-8.html#post3006179

Do you know Jesus even favored the death penalty ?
http://christianchat.com/christian-...t-trumpa-s-immigration-ban-8.html#post3007801

February, 2016- Iran Promises to Pay Palestinian ‘Martyrs’ who kill jews and others.

or should you rise up with others : be lawbreakers, in defiance like obama tells america too,
he promotes lawlessness and revolt of the governing body, yes or no?

maybe you missed post #160 "disposition matrix" list- where
Obama justifies assassination of US citizens, without due process and has people killed?
http://christianchat.com/christian-...t-trumpa-s-immigration-ban-8.html#post3007801


All means ALL
, but you still blame bush and America, and say ok if they kill us,
our fault we desirve it. but these islamic people they: live by the sword, and die by the sword.


Iran sparked international condemnation when it test-fired two ballistic missiles,
one emblazoned with the phrase “Israel must be wiped out” in Hebrew.


The most populous group of Shiites—the Twelvers
King Abdullah’s Death Fulfills ‘End-Time Prophecies,’ Say Shiites
-In 2012, Khamenei told the people of Iran: “We must prepare for the coming.


Since we consider ourselves the warriors of the 12th imam, we must fight.
Under the leadership of God, and with his invisible Power, we will restore
the glory of Islamic Civilization.”

Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the patriarch of Iran’s Islamic Revolution, was a Twelver,
as is Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the current supreme leader in Iran.


[T]hese leaders actually believe they need to create bloody carnage, the death of millions
of people in order to create the conditions for the Mahdi to bring peace”

Since 1984, the U.S. State Department has designated Iran as a state sponsor of terrorism.
Department’s archives of Country Reports on Terrorism consistently condemn Iran as
“the most active state sponsor of terrorism.” And, as the reports note, Iran’s terrorist activities
have been increasing.- The steady Rise of the New Persian Empire -​