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    Open-door policies have led to [a surge in illegal immigrants] crossing the U.S. border.
    One main reason in the immigrants crossing the U.S. border [Caused by former President Obama]
    This escalating issue has caused the White House to admit June 2 that the “influx of unaccom-
    panied alien children (uac) across the southwest border of the United States has resulted in
    an urgent humanitarian situation requiring a unified and coordinated Federal response.”

    Quote Originally Posted by peacenik View Post
    Correction - Obama DEPORTED more illegals than anyone else
    But that was not the question or issue that was presented, you deflected subject again.
    That it was about a surge in [Unaccompanied children into country] not outgoing,
    that started with Obamas wanting to “lift the shadow of deportation” his plan.
    That was not an answer to the question and issue that was presented in my post.
    what does DEPORT have to do with [the Influx] of Unaccompanied Alien Children INTO country?
    are you saying Obama did not “lift the shadow of deportation” from eligible illegal immigrants ?

    “As president, Barack Obama had made a habit of
    bypassing or ignoring constitutional limitations on his power,” executive orders
    —which are primarily intended to circumvent Congress and the Constitution.

    In September of 2012, a panel of experts presented a list to the House Judiciary Committee of how
    President Obama is exceeding his constitutional constraints. HumanEvents.com summarized the panel’s
    findings this way: “As president, Barack Obama has made a habit of bypassing or ignoring constitutional
    limitations on his power,” (Sept. 12, 2012). Here are some of the examples the panel gave:

    his abuse of executive power in connection with the Fast and Furious scandal; his decision to stop
    enforcing parts of America’s immigration law; and his authorization of military action in Libya in 2011
    without first consulting Congress. Some legislators are calling for legal action against the president for that last decision.

    One of the panel’s main points was how in 2012, the president sidestepped the Senate and made
    some unilateral “recess” appointments when the Senate was not even in recess. Later a federal
    court ruled that this move was unconstitutional.

    Sen. Mike Lee, a noted constitutional scholar in Congress, “told the committee that Obama’s abuse
    of power by making recess appointments while the Senate was not actually in recess was a historic
    first” (ibid). This has never happened before in U.S. history!

    This administration is pushing past the limits of executive power all the time. The New York Times
    wrote in April 2012, “[I]ncreasingly in recent months, the administration has been seeking ways
    to act without Congress.”Even the president’s allies in the media know this is happening.
    But very little is being done to stop it!
    -
    the Fast and Furious scandal: The scandal in Washington no one is talking about
    The scandal in Washington no one is talking about | New York Post
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    who knows what the real numbers Americans killed: by Obamas failed policy
    -
    May 28, 2016 - 69 more killed thru Obama's Fast and Furious
    https://www.onenewsnow.com/politics-...st-and-furious
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    Obama also released more criminals and terrorists bad guys from prison ,
    lawless people back onto our streets then any other sitting president.

    As has been previously discussed on this forum:
    President Obama promoting violent crimes
    President Obama promoting violent crimes
    -
    It was called- “The Worst Prison Break in American History,”
    “Worst Prison Break in American History” – Okayed by Obama! – Liberty News
    https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/1...erican-history

    President Obama’s Rapid Transformation of the Criminal Justice System
    The president’s expeditious use of his power to grant pardons and commutations
    is undermining[has undermined] America’s justice system and promoting violent crime.
    according to a 16-page document the Department of Justice leaked to nbc, the administration believes
    it is above the law and has power to kill any American citizens it considers a threat.

    the Benghazi attack and its aftermath: Investigations have since made abundantly plain just how
    numerous and blatant the administration’s lies about what happened that night really were.
    Never has a president and his staff been so brazen and deliberate in using deceit! Do you also?

    What is America’s Real Enemy

    On January 27, 2013, cbs Sunday Morning aired a commentary by a constitutional law
    professor suggesting that for America to solve its many problems, it needs to abandon the Constitution.

    “If we are to take back our own country, we have to start making decisions for ourselves,
    and stop deferring to an ancient and outdated document,” said Lewis Michael Seidman.
    This man teaches constitutional law at Georgetown University Law Center in Washington,
    d.c., and was speaking on one of the big three television networks!

    In his most recent book, On Constitutional Disobedience, Seidman asked,
    “Why should we care about what the Constitution says? Should we feel obligated to obey it?
    How can we make decisions today based on a document created more than 200 years ago?”

    The Obama administration was taking actions just about every week that raise constitutional
    questions and that threaten to undermine America’s foundational document.

    The anti-Constitution reasoning is suddenly becoming quite popular.
    the Bible—upon which much of the Constitution is based!
    Jesus’ Answer To President Trump’s Immigration Ban
    Did Jesus say to uphold the law of the governing body?
    Jesus’ Answer To President Trump’s Immigration Ban
    Should the courts follow the law?
    Jesus’ Answer To President Trump’s Immigration Ban

    Obamas administration and the radically left Democrats were very hostile to the Constitution
    Satan is always working to cast the truth to the ground. He hates the truth and the law.
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    you mean former president Obama DEPORTED more illegals or crimanls from jail
    onto our streets to reoffend, than anyone else
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    An Attack On Law

    Do you realize how deadly dangerous this trend of lawlessness is? Very few people do.
    the prophecy of Daniel 8. It describes Satan’s violence within the Church in a very telling
    way. It says he and his “host,” his demon army, “cast down the truth to the ground.”
    Their primary attack was against God’s truth and God’s law.

    He is the father of lies; there is no truth in him (John 8:44).
    But he will still look you boldly in the eye and insist that everything he says is the truth!

    When the president was campaigning for a second term, he said, “You may be frustrated
    sometimes with the pace of change. I’m frustrated too sometimes. But you know where
    I stand. You know what I believe. You know I tell the truth.”

    Does[did] the president tell the truth? Is anyone paying attention?

    Here is how Glenn Beck responded to the president’s statement: “This is more a judgment
    on America and the press. I’ve never looked back and marveled at how many people will fall
    for and accept, knowingly accept, a falsehood. I’ve never seen it before in my life.”

    Adolf Hitler said that if you tell a big lie and repeat it enough,
    eventually people will believe it. They certainly did in Germany.

    Hitler said,
    “What you tell people in the mass in a receptive state of fanatic devotion will remain; words
    received under a hypnotic influence are radical and impervious to every reasonable explanation.”

    This is the type of influence we see holding a grip on many people today.
    This hypnotic influence cannot be explained reasonably.

    “Then shall his mind change, and he shall passover, and offend,
    imputing this his power unto his god.” Habakkuk 1:11 (KJV)

    Winston ChurchillE :A watchman for the peopl even called the Germans and their military machine
    ‘the locusts’, -Thy crowned are as the locusts, Nahum 3:17

    Hitler continued: “A new age of magic interpretation of the world is coming,
    of interpretation in terms of the will and not of the intelligence.”

    Hitler gave his most “inspired” speeches at the frenzied, torch-lit meetings in there.
    tradition of Charlemagne.”Charlemagne was crowned emperor of the Holy Roman
    Empire in a.d. 800—the First Reich.

    -Hitler considered the Jew to be the devil personified. In truth, the Jews
    have been specially commissioned to preserve the oracles of God (Romans 3:1-3)

    The oracles include the sacred calendar, knowledge of the biblical week,
    including the seventh-day Sabbath, and the Old Testament Scriptures.

    Jews suffered at Hitler’s hand more than any other race. the main victim of the Holy
    Roman Empire has been the spiritual Jews—or God’s Church(Revelation 6:9-11; 17:5-6).

    In the Pasewalk Hospital, 1918-1919 that Hitler said (Waite, op. cit.)
    He was the leader sent by destiny. He must answer the ‘voices’ that he said he heard
    The voices told him to rescue his Motherland from the Jews who had violated her” .

    -After a speech at the Reichstag, an English observer,Maj. Francis Yeats
    Brown, said this about Hitler: “Duringthe rhetorical passages his voice
    mounted to the pitch of delirium: He was a man transformed and possessed.

    We were in the presence of a miracle” It was a supernatural miracle!
    Hitler was a “possessed” man.(Toland, op. cit.).

    -Observers saw his “domineering manner” and noticed a “new phenomenon
    has entered the room.”, this is the same thing people about being in Obamas presence

    -He will have a “fierce countenance”and compelling, gripping, frightening, hypnotic eyes!
    people have said the very same thing happened to them when seeing Obama speak in person.

    - Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship …” (Colossians 2:18, 23).
    They didn’t look to the Bible for answers; they just had a magic interpretation of things
    and said, by implication, Just follow our will—which happened to be Satan’s will.
    Sadly, most of God’s people followed.

    the Roman Empire was transferred into the hand of the Germans. when Charlemagne
    was crowned,the pope called him emperor of the fourth world empire.
    Approximately 40 million people were butchered during the so-called Holy Inquisition

    The spirit of Charlemagne has returned. This past king who ruled the First
    Reich waded through a “sea of blood” to achieve his goal of ruling Europe.

    -Many Catholics today don’t like to admit Hitler’s connection with Catholicism
    Bernard Connolly wrote a bombshell book in 1995 titled The Rotten Heart of Europe

    -

    The U.S. government is casting aside the foundational law of the land and telling us,
    Look—that is just getting in the way. We don’t need that old law. We know what justice is.
    You can trust us! That reasoning paves the way for tyrants! And every tyrant is a special
    tool of the devil—even more so after he has been cast down!

    The Reason for the Second Amendment
    Look at the way the administration is handling the gun-control debate in America today.

    On December 14, 2012, a young man named Adam Lanza killed twenty 6-to-7-year-old children.
    He had some serious mental problems; he almost looked like a young girl; his parents were
    divorced; he was living with his mom and his father wasn’t around. Nearly every time a tragedy
    like this happens, there is a dysfunctional family in the background.

    Something is wrong with our families! Yet what is the solution, according to the politicians and
    the media? Ban the guns! The radical left wants to take away people’s guns—at least, the guns
    of law-abiding people. The criminals are not about to give up their guns.

    After football player Jovan Belcher killed his girlfriend and then himself, Bob Costas said on
    an nfl broadcast on nbc that this wouldn’t have happened if Belcher hadn’t had a gun.
    A linebacker is big enough that he could have killed her without a weapon.
    But they’re going after guns.

    I’m told that nbc has some of the bloodiest movies on television! Yet it’s trying to tell Americans
    to get rid of the guns. Why don’t we start with getting rid of the bloody television programs?
    Is it possible that’s a bigger problem?

    The Second Amendment in the U.S. protects the people’s right to bear arms, but for what?
    If you listen to the left, you would never know. To hear them talk about it, its purpose is
    so Americans can go out and shoot deer.

    That isn’t the reason for the Second Amendment at all. The main point was to protect the citizens
    from government tyranny. The government might decide to take over, and if you don’t have guns
    or something to defend yourself, what are you going to do (unless you have God’s protection) ?

    Why won’t the radical liberals mention that? That is the real world that our Founding Fathers came
    out of! That is the real world today! But the liberals won’t even mention that. Oh, please! they say.
    You know that could never happen!

    But government tyranny is routine in human history, and they know it! Why are they so deceitful?
    Is it because they have an ulterior motive? Let’s not be naive and think something like that could
    never happen here. Our forefathers weren’t stupid. They wanted to guarantee Americans’ freedom.

    They really knew that God was a God of freedom;
    He wants us to be free, hat’s a gift from God.

    Do you remember how we gained our freedoms? A lot of people bled and a lot of people
    died to give us the freedoms we have today. And they wouldn’t have gotten it without guns,
    unless God just gave it to them.

    I wonder how many Americans even know that
    the Constitution is the supreme law of the land.
    -
    "An Attack On Law" From the booklet America Under Attack
    It is similar to how the Ten Commandments is the supreme law of God

    It works beautifully if you just apply it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peacenik View Post

    Trump's immigration ban overruled again:
    .
    just what we do not need, more lawlessness in the Courts,
    and people approving of it, in detrement to our country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gb9 View Post
    well, if you are tossing people out the front door while the back door ( borders ) are wide open, it balances out, does it not??


    WRONG again. Even the CONSERVATIVE Washington Times agrees that FEWER illegals entered under Obama:


    2.5 million illegals cross border under Obama, less than Bush - Washington Times

    see also:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...opping/426612/


    Lowest number of illegal entrants since Bush's open door policy in 2004.



    As usual, all the criticism for Obama is totally unwarranted. Now let's see criticism where it belongs - with Bush.
    Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

    Matt 5:9

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    Quote Originally Posted by peacenik View Post
    Please get your facts straight - Under Obama "Muslims made up nearly half (46%) of refugee admissions,
    a higher share than for Christians, who accounted for 44% of refugees admitted"
    Please: like Former pres. Obama ever told the straight truth to the American people.

    Trying to Keep It on the DL

    Unsurprisingly, the administration didn’t want the latest release numbers to be publicly known. But the
    extent to which it tried to obscure the truth is unnerving. Last year in May, the dhs failed to respond to
    a request under the Freedom of Information Act to disclose records about the releases. So the Judicial
    Watch group filed a lawsuit against the agency and a federal court ruled for the documents to be released.

    “It’s appalling that we’ve had to sue in federal court to get key information about the Obama administra-
    tion’s release of 165,950 convicted criminal aliens,” said Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton. (The figure
    he cited does not include another 30,000 released in the most recent fiscal year.)

    To be fair,the policy of releasing convicted criminal aliens into America predates the Obama admin.
    When republicans such as George W. Bush have been in the presidency, they too have failed to
    repair U.S. immigration policies, apparently because they value cheap labor provided by illegals more
    than border control and security for Americans. However, it is telling that previous administrations never
    had to be sued in federal court before they would publish data about their criminal releases.

    United States President Barack Obama seems to pass up no opportunity
    to lavish illegal immigrants with high praise.

    “I’ve seen the courage of students … who bravely come out as undocumented in hopes they
    could make a difference in a country they love,” he said during a prime-time address to the
    nation last November, to take one example. “[T]hey did not come here in search of a free ride
    or an easy life. They came to work, and study, and serve in our military, and above all,
    contribute to America’s success.”

    But the facts show that the president’s outreach to illegals is drawing many people
    into the nation who do not “contribute to America’s success.”

    During the six years Mr. Obama has been in power, the Department of Homeland Security (dhs)
    has knowingly released some 195,900 criminally convicted illegal immigrants onto America’s streets.
    That averages out to about 85 convicted criminals released per day.

    Putting Lives at Risk

    Thousands of those released have been convicted of violent crimes such as homicide and aggravated
    assault. In 2013 alone, the releases included 193 convicted murderers, 303 convicted kidnappers, and
    426 convicted of sexual assault. Others were convicted of child pornography charges, robbery,
    aggravated assault, and driving under the influence. More than half of those released have been
    convicted of multiple felonies. Many are known gang members or affiliates.

    Also notable is that the vast majority of the releases were “discretionary,” meaning they were neither
    the result of local sanctuary guidelines nor required by local laws. In many cases, the releases were
    apparently in violation of law.

    “As a law enforcement officer, I’m really disgusted with it,” said Neil Warren, the sheriff
    of Cobb County, Georgia, where several of the alien convicts were released.

    Former chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, Republican Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas, agrees
    with Warren’s assessment. He called the releases “the worst prison break in American history,” and said,
    “President Obama’s lax immigration policies have put the lives of Americans at risk.”

    Such concerns have proven well founded. Each year, around 1,000 released convicts go on to commit
    other crimes against Americans in the communities where they settle. After being released into the
    public, one criminally convicted illegal alien went on to inflict injury on a domestic partner, commit
    child cruelty, violate his probation, drive without a license, and fail to appear in court.

    A June 15 report said that altogether at least 121 of the released illegals
    have gone on to commit murders in America.Is this individual—and others who have been released
    and go on to commit other crimes—contributing to America’s success?


    Why the slight margin for Muslims? Because their countries are at war as
    we discussed previously due to the present instability caused in their region under Bush.
    you have still yet to prove this mass migration to the U.S. is from the middle east, [fighting]
    caused by former pres. Bush, Are not most of [them] flooding into Europe ? maybe not the U.S.
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    Quote #1 “The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam”


    Quote Originally Posted by peacenik View Post
    The only "threat" they pose is one that is imaginary and fomented
    for the past 35+ years by those who intend to profit from another war.
    Please tell me how the U.S.would profit from a war ? last I heard war costs money,
    lots of money to even be the worlds policeman, just keeping the worlds sea gates open.


    As for war, learn to read your own Bible where it teaches Peace, not war.
    Great "Christian" that you are, you should have no trouble believing
    and practicing any of that.
    Iran is building their army more quickly, thanks to Obama. Do they believe like you
    a nation of peace need no army-thier god would protect them without an army?


    Maybe you should "Meet Iran’s United Shia Liberation Army"
    The Persian foreign legion set to bring ‘freedom’ to the Middle East

    Iran has launched its latest armed force: the United Shia Liberation Army (usla).
    The move, announced on August 18, has stoked more fear and uncertainty
    concerning Iran’s role in the post-America Middle East.

    A hodgepodge of Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (irgc) crossed with local
    Shiite militia, the usla is poised to violently enhance [Iran’s influence in the region].
    -
    Retired Iranian General: We Created Shia Army To Destroy Israel By 2039
    Retired Iranian General: We Created Shia Army To Destroy Israel By 2039
    -

    The formation of the usla is particularly concerning to the region’s Sunnis.
    During an interview with Mashregh News Agency, former irgc Brig. Gen. Mohammed Ali Falaki
    outlined the usla’s areas of focus.Its main theaters of combat would be Yemen, Syria and Iraq.

    All three represent the front line in the regional power struggle between the Middle
    East’s Sunni and Shia Muslims. In hotspots already ablaze with Iranian arms, aid and
    manpower, the creation of the usla will only add more fuel to these sectarian fires.

    Yemen, sitting on Saudi Arabia’s doorstep, is currently home to a fierce battle between
    Iranian-backed Houthi rebels and Saudi-led forces. The rebels have managed to hold
    their ground against the Saudi-led coalition.

    The Houthis are not tied as closely to Iran as many Shiites in Syria and Iraq are, but that
    could now change. The arrival of the usla in Yemen looks set to intensify the conflict,
    in effect forcing the Houthis into deeper cooperation with Iran.

    “The formation of such an army would only exacerbate the conflict in Yemen.
    Houthis are one of the most organized [ groups in the Yemeni war ]
    and any additional support would empower them on the ground,”
    Yemeni affairs analyst Maysaa Shuja Aldeen told Voice of America.
    -
    Iran's Launch of Shia Army Threatens to Escalate Sectarian Tensions
    Iran's Launch of Shia Army Threatens to Escalate Sectarian Tensions
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    Iran wants to maintain the Shia Crescent. A pro-Iranian Syria is a vital link
    between Iran and Lebanon, the home of Iranian terrorist proxy Hezbollah.

    The usla in Syria will be less to do with battling the Islamic State and bringing “freedom”
    than reaffirming Bashar Assad’s position and staking Iran’s claim on the country.

    Lastly, we come to Iraq, perhaps the inspiration for the usla. In Iraq, Tehran has enjoyed
    major success through its Shiite militias—notorious for their mistreatment of “liberated” Sunnis.

    Commanded by the increasingly popular Gen. Qassem Soleimani, the locally recruited Shiites have
    been instrumental in halting the Islamic State. Simultaneously, these militias have carried Iran’s
    aspirations on their shoulders as they ostracize Iraq’s Sunni minority with violence and intimidation.


    Iran sees the success it can have with Iranian-led Shiite militias. The usla is just the expansion
    and organizing of these groups on a broader scale.


    Iran’s purposes are also served in other ways by establishing a large militia separate from the irgc.
    As Long War Journal reported, “The irgc hopes to project an image of supporting locals, though
    its recruitment has a distinctly Shia identity.

    Perpetuating [sectarianism and violence] serves to bolster the irgc’s image as a protector of Shias.
    -
    IRGC commander discusses Afghan militia, ‘Shia liberation army,’ and Syria
    IRGC commander discusses Afghan militia, ‘Shia liberation army,’ and Syria | FDD's Long War Journal
    -

    A foreign legion engaged in several wars abroad, furthermore, elicits less opposition
    and complaints within Iran, reducing the impact of fatalities and casualties on Iranian society.”

    One Organization, One Kingdom

    Consider the players in the three aforementioned nations: the Houthis, the Popular Mobilization Force,
    a vast array of Shiite militias, the irgc, branches of the Iranian military, Hezbollah and various other
    terrorist organizations. All have some degree of Iranian aid or oversight. But all are distinct from one
    another. The usla aims to bring at least some of these forces under the same umbrella.

    The usla is drawing from the preexisting pro-Iranian forces in the region. While many may choose
    to stay independent, the creation of the usla could provide the unity Iran needs to turn these various
    terrorists and militias into a controlled regional army.

    September 4, 2016 Meet Iran’s United Shia Liberation Army
    https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/1...iberation-army
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    as discused before here" Iran the new Persia, Rise of the Empire"
    Iran the new Persia, Rise of the Empire


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    With the Syrian civil war in hand, Iran is setting its sights on a bigger goal.
    The most precious jewel of Iran’s plan is to conquer Jerusalem
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    City of Pieces - As united Jerusalem turns 50, we ask: Will it make it to 51?


    During the Crusades, Jerusalem was always the main prize. This city
    is of supreme religious importance to Jews, Christiansand Muslims.

    The so-called Christian Crusades were really Catholic crusades.
    The Roman Catholics generally clashed with Muslim armies.

    It is important that we understand this history. It is about to be repeated
    —again. After prophecy, history is our next indication of what the future holds.


    The king of the north[Germany head of Europe] and
    the king of the south[Iran head snake of Islamic forces]
    are two powers prophesied to clash in this end time.


    ISIS terrorist leader ‘Caliphate’ officially declares war with Rome, ISIS Declares
    War on the Vatican, and Muslims Will Be at War with the Roman Christians‏...
    Re:Muslims march in London chanting "butcher butcher the jews"
    Muslims march in London chanting "butcher butcher the jews"
    -

    The Crusades Are Critical History, three different religions all have there start there
    Who exactly was responsible for the Crusades? Why did the Crusades occur? The
    Crusades were a papal venture to reestablish Vatican dominion over Christian Europe.


    The Crusades reveal the Vatican’s deep hunger for Jerusalem, and the
    barbaric extent to which it is prepared to go to control that city!

    Jerusalem was the capital of Israel. the end-time prophecies about Jerusalem
    remain unfilled, also his brothers , Abraham’s grandson Jacob—Gen 48 whom
    God renamed Israel—specifically assigned his name to Ephraim and Manasseh,


    God chose Jerusalam as his city - and yet again He will chose Jerusalem
    The devil knows this and it would be a prime place to Attack : Jerusalam
    Attack on Jerusalem


    Daniel 6:10
    Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows
    being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day,
    and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime.


    Quote Originally Posted by peacenik View Post
    Why do you condemn Iran but fail to condemn American imperialistic terrorism overseas?
    Wrong question to be asking a honorable discharged Marine, who was taught pride
    in his country, and there fellow brothers- semper fi- I guess you have lost this battle.

    When a country like Iran vows to destroy this little nation of Gods, I take offence.
    When a country like Iran pays someone to attack American forces, I take offence.
    When they call Jerusalem little satan, and America big satan.

    [Why do you] keep sticking up for them, and not condemn [them for attacking us] today.

    -
    the good news is Jesus Christ will return to Jerusalem,this time to setup the Kingdom
    of God on earth, and rule from Jerusalam for 1000 years, and we are invited as Sons.

    "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God
    out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband"

    Revelation 22:2 (KJV)
    In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life,
    which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves
    of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ugly View Post
    So God's rule is let violent people who want to kill you for your faith freely enter your gates? Sorry, i just don't remember reading that in the bible. I do remember being told to be wise, though.
    And wisdom says 'lets look at the countries that have already opened their borders'. Oh look, increase in violent crimes, rape, random assaults, particularly against women. Countries that have declared war on us for decades now want us to let in their people en masse and God's lesson is 'let them come in an kill and rape you freely and force their evil religions rules upon you? Not buying it.
    Terrorism is actually less about religion and more about money and oil
    Stuff and things

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude653 View Post
    Terrorism is actually less about religion and more about money and oil
    this answers something for me. They're saying oil Akbar when they blow themselves up. Oil is great. Thanks so much for clearing that up for me.

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    Please: like Former pres. Obama ever told the straight truth to the American people.

    Trying to Keep It on the DL

    Unsurprisingly, the administration didn’t want the latest release numbers to be publicly known. But the
    extent to which it tried to obscure the truth is unnerving. Last year in May, the dhs failed to respond to
    a request under the Freedom of Information Act to disclose records about the releases. So the Judicial
    Watch group filed a lawsuit against the agency and a federal court ruled for the documents to be released.

    “It’s appalling that we’ve had to sue in federal court to get key information about the Obama administra-
    tion’s release of 165,950 convicted criminal aliens,” said Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton. (The figure
    he cited does not include another 30,000 released in the most recent fiscal year.)

    To be fair,the policy of releasing convicted criminal aliens into America predates the Obama admin.
    When republicans such as George W. Bush have been in the presidency, they too have failed to
    repair U.S. immigration policies, apparently because they value cheap labor provided by illegals more
    than border control and security for Americans. However, it is telling that previous administrations never
    had to be sued in federal court before they would publish data about their criminal releases.

    United States President Barack Obama seems to pass up no opportunity
    to lavish illegal immigrants with high praise.

    “I’ve seen the courage of students … who bravely come out as undocumented in hopes they
    could make a difference in a country they love,” he said during a prime-time address to the
    nation last November, to take one example. “[T]hey did not come here in search of a free ride
    or an easy life. They came to work, and study, and serve in our military, and above all,
    contribute to America’s success.”

    But the facts show that the president’s outreach to illegals is drawing many people
    into the nation who do not “contribute to America’s success.”

    During the six years Mr. Obama has been in power, the Department of Homeland Security (dhs)
    has knowingly released some 195,900 criminally convicted illegal immigrants onto America’s streets.
    That averages out to about 85 convicted criminals released per day.

    Putting Lives at Risk

    Thousands of those released have been convicted of violent crimes such as homicide and aggravated
    assault. In 2013 alone, the releases included 193 convicted murderers, 303 convicted kidnappers, and
    426 convicted of sexual assault. Others were convicted of child pornography charges, robbery,
    aggravated assault, and driving under the influence. More than half of those released have been
    convicted of multiple felonies. Many are known gang members or affiliates.

    Also notable is that the vast majority of the releases were “discretionary,” meaning they were neither
    the result of local sanctuary guidelines nor required by local laws. In many cases, the releases were
    apparently in violation of law.

    “As a law enforcement officer, I’m really disgusted with it,” said Neil Warren, the sheriff
    of Cobb County, Georgia, where several of the alien convicts were released.

    Former chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, Republican Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas, agrees
    with Warren’s assessment. He called the releases “the worst prison break in American history,” and said,
    “President Obama’s lax immigration policies have put the lives of Americans at risk.”

    Such concerns have proven well founded. Each year, around 1,000 released convicts go on to commit
    other crimes against Americans in the communities where they settle. After being released into the
    public, one criminally convicted illegal alien went on to inflict injury on a domestic partner, commit
    child cruelty, violate his probation, drive without a license, and fail to appear in court.

    A June 15 report said that altogether at least 121 of the released illegals
    have gone on to commit murders in America.Is this individual—and others who have been released
    and go on to commit other crimes—contributing to America’s success?



    you have still yet to prove this mass migration to the U.S. is from the middle east, [fighting]
    caused by former pres. Bush, Are not most of [them] flooding into Europe ? maybe not the U.S.





    like Former pres. Obama ever told the straight truth to the American people

    Did Bush ever do so about WMD and his imaginary "impending nuclear attack"?





    the policy of releasing convicted criminal aliens into America predates the Obama admin


    Members of the Russian, Italian, and Israeli maffias (so far as I know, none of them Muslims) have spread drugs and other forms of naughtiness in the USA for decades.



    Obama releases drug criminals

    I hope you were just as outraged when Bush did the same:

    https://www.justice.gov/pardon/gwbush-commutations





    you have still yet to prove this mass migration to the U.S. is from the middle east, [fighting]
    caused by former pres. Bush


    You don't need me to prove this prima facie truth.
    Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

    Matt 5:9

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    Please tell me how the U.S.would profit from a war ? last I heard war costs money


    Who said the USA would profit?

    Again, please READ what I post. Don't read into it.


    Here is your listing of those who profit:




    Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

    Matt 5:9

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    Quote Originally Posted by peacenik View Post
    The only "threat" they pose is one that is imaginary and fomented
    for the past 35+ years by [those who intend to profit from another war].
    please learn to read the post yourself, that you posted that I replyed to :
    you posted above and I asked how would U.S. profit from [meaning another] war.

    Quote Originally Posted by peacenik View Post
    Who said the USA would profit?

    Again, please READ what I post. Don't read into it.
    you stated by [those who intend to profit from another war].
    who did you mean here besides the U.S.?
    I was not asking who made money in the past.

    x-imaginary and fomented "threat"
    Please tell me how the U.S.would profit from [another]war ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peacenik View Post
    Did Bush ever do so about WMD and his imaginary "impending nuclear attack

    Members of the Russian, Italian, and Israeli maffias (so far as I know, none of them Muslims)
    have spread drugs and other forms of naughtiness in the USA for decades.

    I hope you were just as outraged when Bush did the same:

    https://www.justice.gov/pardon/gwbush-commutations

    You don't need me to prove this prima facie truth.
    just wasted talk and disproves nothing I posted, you do like to argue about nothing.
    just deflecting the issue and trying to point blame somewhere else not needed.


    G.Bush
    Why the U.S. President Lacks Credibility in Mideast
    https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/4...ity-in-mideast
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    Quote Originally Posted by peacenik View Post
    Who said the USA would profit?

    Again, please READ what I post. Don't read into it.


    Here is your listing of those who profit:




    not one dime did the U.S. of America gain in those wars

    The U.S. spent a vast amount of money in Iraq and Afghanistan


    the Congressional Research Service estimated $1.6 trillion. Time magazine estimated the long-term cost between $4 and $6 trillion. In these two countries, America was spending $20 billion a year just on air conditioning. That is larger than Italy’s entire defense budget for 2015.


    The fact that Afghanistan is sliding back toward the Taliban and Iran is taking over Iraq raises the overarching question of just what those trillions of dollars purchased. But the figures on just the straight-up waste are also huge. The bipartisan Commission on Wartime Contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan reported in 2011 that “[a]t least $31 billion, and possibly as much as $60 billion, has been lost to contract waste and fraud”—just one narrow type of waste—in Afghanistan and Iraq.


    One of the most notorious examples of waste was $36 million spent on a command facility in Afghanistan for 1,500 personnel that was never used. Three generals requested the project to be canceled, saying it was unnecessary, but they were overruled. When investigators looked into it, commanders told subordinates to obstruct the inquiry.




    There’s plenty of Fat Leonard-style corruption too. Authorities identified $1 million in overpayments for fuel in a two-month period in Afghanistan. In 2014, $45.5 million went missing from salaries meant to be paid to Afghan police.


    Besides the money spent directly on the invasion, the U.S. poured $100 billion into reconstructing Afghanistan. That’s more than America spent on the Marshall Plan to rebuild Western Europe after World War ii. Propublica estimated that $17 billion of that was wasted. This includes a base that was never used, roads that quickly fell apart, and payments to nonexistent soldiers. Half a billion dollars went to cargo planes that were hardly used and then scrapped; $8 billion was spent on combating the drug trade, with no result.


    In Iraq, the U.S. spent $50 billion on reconstruction. The Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction estimated at least $8 billion of it was wasted.


    John F. Sopko has worked hard to expose waste of these funds as the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (sigar). In a speech last September, he talked about schools built with American money that were “literally crumbling and falling apart” and hospitals that “actually became unsafe because their electrical and water supply systems failed.”


    One problem was investing in projects that would have been great in America but just didn’t work in Afghanistan. The U.S. spent millions on hospitals that were too expensive for the Afghans to keep running. “This sort of thing happens in Afghanistan all the time,” he said.


    “You would think after 13 years of these types of occurrences, and hundreds of cases of sigar pointing these problems out, that someone would wake up, look around, and say ‘You know what, folks? Maybe we’re going about this all wrong,’” Sopko continued.


    He described how he had to work hard to persuade one military official not to build high-tech solar-powered lighting at bus stops. How’s that for a metaphor for Afghanistan: America’s generals want to build high-tech lighting for bus stops while the Taliban retake the country.


    “[A]ll I am seeing is a modus operandi that is woefully out of touch at best, and delusional at worst,”
    Sopko warned. “We simply must be smarter.”


    Again there is a hint of a deeper problem. If America’s chain of command is “delusional” about money,
    how effective is its decision-making in other areas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by prove-all View Post
    please learn to read the post yourself, that you posted that I replyed to :
    you posted above and I asked how would U.S. profit from [meaning another] war.



    you stated by [those who intend to profit from another war].
    who did you mean here besides the U.S.?
    I was not asking who made money in the past.

    x-imaginary and fomented "threat"
    Please tell me how the U.S.would profit from [another]war ?




    REPEAT question.


    See my earlier reply.
    Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

    Matt 5:9

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    not one dime did the U.S. of America gain in those wars

    The U.S. spent a vast amount of money in Iraq and Afghanistan



    Exactly.

    And these disastrous wars caused by right wing Bush created the present refugee crisis in the Middle East. Funny how so many on the far right defended Bush when he created these wars, applauded the high profits made by the companies and his pals, but who today fail to assist the refugees created by those wars. This in open violation of their own Bible!


    The Bible teaches to be at Peace and to grant sanctuary to those in need. But forum right wingers demand the exact opposite: make war (or at the very least, applaud it), and leave refugees to their own miseries.
    Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

    Matt 5:9

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    Quote Originally Posted by peacenik View Post
    REPEAT question.


    See my earlier reply.
    Please tell me how the U.S.would profit from [another]war ?


    also you posted contracts what the U.S. payed out, not what the U.S gov. made.
    you did not answer my question the first 2 times

    we did not gain in the first ones, what will Amarica gain going to another war?
    did you not even read figures from the last war we are still paying out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peacenik View Post
    Exactly.


    The Bible teaches to be at Peace and to grant sanctuary to those in need. But forum right wingers demand the exact opposite: make war (or at the very least, applaud it), and leave refugees to their own miseries.
    funny you never answered my questions.
    Is it moraly right for Iran to want to wipe the jews out?
    you returned no answer. but say they do not think this

    you blamed me once for wanting war, I asked you when I have ever said this,
    no answer again, now again yoy say i call for war


    we discussed we are not to go againest those in authority over us,
    not to rise up and cause lawlessness, as per o.p.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peacenik View Post
    Under the concept of separation of church & state, the government
    has no business interfering in the exercise of this religious practice which is commanded in the Bible.
    separation of church & state?

    Our government had no right to redefine, what God had ordained long ago.
    That marriage was between one man and one woman, a perfect union.

    That the former president indorced gay unions in clear violation of the bible.
    Marriage A mystery: A religious practice which is commanded in the Bible.

    That he called all gays to come out of the closet and be proud of its heritage.
    That it is called in the bible an abomination to the Lord our God.

    The government has no right to force a pastor to marry gay people,
    or force someone to make a wedding cake for a gay couple.

    Or made it that they cannot refuse someone entery into your church
    without threat of your tax exempt status taken away.

    Would Jesus say it is ok to marry 2 men together? He would not
    That the government has no right to force these issues on us also.

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