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    Please tell me how the U.S.would profit from [another]war ?

    Is it moraly right for Iran to want to wipe the jews out?

    Since you made that up you will need to tell me.





    clear violation of the bible

    Government policies that enrich the wealthy while exploiting the poor are also violations of the Bible which impose depredations upon the country that commits such evils. See the Book of Amos. By the way, refusing to grant sanctuary is also a violation.
    Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peacenik View Post
    By the way, refusing to grant sanctuary is also a violation.
    How many murderers and rapists do you have living in your house? Shame on you if the answer is none. You are in violation of the Bible according to you. Oh well, we already know you are a hypocrite.
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    Embrace the Grace and Rejoice in His Everlasting Mercy and Love

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    How many murderers and rapists do you have living in your house? Shame on you if the answer is none. You are in violation of the Bible according to you. Oh well, we already know you are a hypocrite.

    He bakes them cookies at church functions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    How many murderers and rapists do you have living in your house? Shame on you if the answer is none. You are in violation of the Bible according to you. Oh well, we already know you are a hypocrite.







    Young children and old women persecuted by ISIS are "rapists" only in your imagination.

    By the way, still waiting for "proof" of your previous claim. Ditto for those of your friend Sirk.




    ​Still waiting .............
    Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peacenik View Post
    Since you made that up you will need to tell me.
    Not only have you badgered people on this forum.
    So now you resort to telling bold faced lies about me,
    that I made the Iran threat up againest the Jews.

    A closed-minded person you are, hostile towards others,
    unreasonable or excessively narrow-minded, now labeled A lier

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    If people only knew what is behind all this,what is going on behind the scenes,America would never allow this to happen.But we have been lulled to sleep thinking America can never fail. The more I read and research the more astounded I become. And very few in the Christian circle are aware and awake. And if you try to tell them whats going on they become vicious against you.I dont know if its from fear or PC brain washing. I hear Christians parroting these beliefs and talking points and I wonder,how long will America last? Am I the only one seeing it? Ive had to block family members on FB,three are refusing to speak to me because Ive tried to tell them,wake them. Its heartbreaking to see what is happening.


    1 Cor. For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peacenik View Post
    Young children and old women persecuted by ISIS are "rapists" only in your imagination.

    By the way, still waiting for "proof" of your previous claim. Ditto for those of your friend Sirk.




    ​Still waiting .............
    still waiting for my cookie from you terrorist bake sale.


    Still waiting...,,........

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    Quote Originally Posted by peacenik View Post
    Government policies that enrich the wealthy while exploiting the poor
    are also violations of the Bible which impose depredations upon the
    country that commits such evils. See the Book of Amos.
    By the way, refusing to grant sanctuary is also a violation.
    "the Book of Amos" can you be more spific? and show the verses
    Every bible verse you posted so far, I showed you did not say what you claimed.
    Not once have you on this thread ever gave real proof of your allagations.

    In the bible , God had a welfare system for his people.
    If you where poor and had no field of your own,
    you where allowed to pick food from the corner edges of a field.

    They where not just given food to eat, they worked for it, or did not eat.
    today the government hands people money to sit home on thier asses.
    Government policies now indorce or incourage people not to work, stay home.
    the gov. gives more money to unwed mothers with kids, discouraging marriage.


    The strangers that entered into Israel had to conform to there laws,
    one law was for both home born or stranger living there.

    The stranger entering our country, is required to conform to our constituion,
    not bring all there religious beliefs here to change our countrys ways and laws.

    So still waiting for you to backup what you say with real truth unbiased.
    you skip all the hard questions, posts by me you might never even read.
    For that matter, your web pages I don't think you even read yourself.

    I see you are not even mad at Obama and [our gov.] for helping to turn
    America gay, A God fearing country, into a place like Sodom and Gomorrah.
    you are more worried about letting forien religious people in who wants to
    change us.Our country is going down the toilet: and we argue who did it,
    reality is its to late anyway.

    The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall
    condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold,
    a greater than Jonas is here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peacenik View Post
    Because of the tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis who died because of Bush's evils,
    George Bush is touring the Mideast warning the world that Iran is still dangerous.
    Why the U.S. President Lacks Credibility in Mideast ?, not because of his [evil plans]
    -
    Retired General William Odom calls Iraq ‘the greatest strategic disaster in United States history.’
    Senator Chuck Hagel (who voted for the war) is somewhat more cautious; he terms Iraq ‘the most
    dangerous foreign-policy blunder in this country since Vietnam’” (Victor Davis Hanson, Claremont
    Review of Books, Winter 2007/08).

    yes I agree, past history of our leaders have made [blunders], but we can not blame every thing on
    one person, who has caused all are present ills, unless it is satan where talking about. And Yes

    the apparent cause of this war and of much of what has followed leading to the present difficulties
    in the Middle East was in fact a foreign-policy blunder by the United States made in the mid-20th
    century. The eventual outcome of that error will pale into any real significance the war that began
    on Jan. 16, 1991, the effects of which continue to ripple on at massive expense to the American
    nation years later.

    -other foreign-policy blunders, leading up-to this event

    In 1947, India, the “jewel in Britain’s crown,” became a nation
    independent from the British Commonwealth and Empire.

    In 1948, the 11-month siege of Berlin by the Soviet Union had the attention of the world
    riveted on the escalation of tension between the Western allies and the Soviet Union.

    In 1950, Asia became the focus, as the Korean War ravaged
    the Korean peninsula for the ensuing three years.

    In 1954,the seeds of an even worse war in Vietnam were sown as France’s Asian colonies
    collapsed into disorder in Indo-China and the U.S. later began aiding the South against N. V.

    In 1955, the Warsaw Pact was signed by the Soviet Union and other socialist states, beginning a 35
    -year standoff between the nato alliance and the Warsaw Pact nations. In 1955, the Alabama bus
    boycott triggered great social disruption between black and white in America.

    At this point, the U.S. was well and truly engaged—its military strength shoring up the West in Europe,
    training the South Vietnamese Army in Asia, still deployed in strength in Japan and the Philippines,
    and its National Guard beginning to be rolled out to contain racial disruption at home.

    xx

    Then on July 26, 1956, Gamal Abdel Nasser nationalized the Suez Canal, the vital choke point through
    which much of Middle Eastern oil transits to the Northern and Southern Hemispheres. Israel, Britain
    and France invaded Egypt in response. The ussr threatened to intervene on the side of the Egyptians.

    President Eisenhower threatened a nuclear response if it did. But Eisenhower was an anti-imperialist,
    intent on seeing Britain, the last of the great colonial powers, divest itself of its empire.

    Instead of backing his British, French and Israeli allies, Eisenhower forced a cease-fire upon them,
    thereby yielding up control of the world’s most vital sea gate to a declared enemy of the West and
    ensuring the escalation of tensions in the Middle East for decades to come.

    Ever since, the Middle East has become a theater of escalating conflict, embroiling the U.S. in
    continuing aggressive and, most often, misguided diplomacy to this very day.

    One has to wonder, if America had backed its allies at that crucial moment in history when Suez was
    up for grabs, would the U.S. and Britain be involved in Iraq, let alone in Afghanistan, and worrying
    about the intentions of Iran and Syria today? Would Israel have had to fight a war in 1967 and
    again in 1973 in order to survive as a nation?

    [QUOTE
    The New Testament commands that you be at peace with all men.
    All means ALL with no exceptions.
    [/QUOTE]

    Does this apply only to us, or other nations also? The bible clearly also says kingdoms
    will fight againest kingdoms , nation againest nation but that was not to be the end..

    Would the U.S. have reneged on its commitment as an ally of the shah of Persia and let him be
    deposed, thus sowing the seeds for the rise of a nuclear-powered Iran set to control the Middle East
    in the not-too-distant future, to the great peril of Israel and the West? Would we have ever heard of
    the Palestinian Liberation Army, Hamas, Fatah, al Qaeda and their clones?

    Or new Iran’s United Shia Liberation Army: The Persian foreign legion set to bring ‘freedom’
    to the Middle East, or the newest Golan Liberation Brigade, setting its sites on Jerusalem.
    Would we even have a need for a Middle Eastern peace process? But, the fact is, it was not to be,
    and God does everything he wills in the kingdoms of men happen, and tells us before it come about.

    xx

    Commencing with its victories in the great sea battles against the Spanish and French in the 17th
    and 18th centuries, Great Britain went on to literally rule the waves in the 19th and early 20th
    centuries by virtue of its possession of every major sea gate on the planet. from out of nothing.

    By the end of the 20th century, apart from Gibraltar and the Falkland Islands, Britain had lost control
    of those vital sea gates. Yet the greatest strategic loss, not only to Britain, but to the rest of the free
    world, was the loss of the Suez Canal. With that loss came the loss of any prospect of peace in M. E.

    Both of those prophecies have been fulfilled. the propose of the continuing conflicts we see.

    Thus it was that America gave away its greatest sea gate, the Panama Canal, almost half a century
    following its failure to help secure Suez. The U.S., and indeed the whole world, will live to regret
    those two great foreign-policy tragedies. the consequence of error of judgment to come.

    The failure to learn from the Suez blunder led to the Panama debacle. The loss of that sovereign
    American territory is bound to have consequences similar to those of Suez in the near future.

    We forget that victory in every war goes to the side that commits fewer mistakes
    —and learns more from them in less time—not to the side that makes no mistakes.
    A perfect military in a flawless war never existed—though after Grenada and the air
    war over the Balkans we apparently thought otherwise.

    We go on making the same old mistakes, condemning our enemies on the one hand,
    appeasing them on the other. Will we ever learn the way to peace? The heartbreak
    of seeing our free nations descend into unspeakable conditions at the hands of the enemy.
    -
    G.B.
    The peoples of the Islamic nations want and deserve the same freedoms and opportunities
    as people in every nation. And their governments [should listen] to their hopes." -nope

    "Ours is a war not against a religion, not against the Muslim faith [or the quiet people].
    But ours is a war against individuals [countrys]who absolutely[hate] what America [stands for]

    And therefore, we must work together to defend ourselves.
    And by remaining strong and united and tough, we'll prevail.
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    With the Syrian civil war in hand, Iran is setting its sights on a bigger goal.

    The Iranian-backed Shiite militia Harakat al-Nujaba announced last week the formation
    of the Golan Liberation Brigade. The goal of this group is to reclaim territory taken by
    rebels opposed to Syrian President Bashar Assad, and to prepare to attack Israel.

    IRGC-controlled Iraqi militia forms ‘Golan Liberation Brigade’
    IRGC-controlled Iraqi militia forms ‘Golan Liberation Brigade’ | FDD's Long War Journal

    “Should the Syrian government make the request, we are ready to participate in the
    liberation of occupied Golan with our allies,” said a spokesman for Harakat al-Nujaba.
    “We will not permit the soil of Arab countries to remain in the grasps of occupiers.”

    While perhaps not a household name, Harakat al-Nujaba—translated Movement of the
    Noble—claims to have 10,000 fighters in Syria. The group played an important role
    reinforcing Hezbollah in the battle for Aleppo. The Golan Liberation Brigade’s first priority
    is to take Syrian territory in the border region from the anti-Assad rebels.

    The formation of the Golan Liberation Brigade sheds light on perhaps the key reason for
    Iran’s involvement in Syria. Iran isn’t in Syria merely to support an ally; it’s in Syria to
    establish and maintain a position to attack the Jewish state.

    Iran has been embedding itself on the Syrian side of the Golan Heights for some months. In
    July 2016, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (irgc) Basij paramilitary group publicized
    that it was inspecting the regions along the Syria-Israel border. A year before that, in the
    same area, irgc Brig. Gen. Mohammed Ali Allahdadi was killed in an Israeli air strike.

    So far Israel has had to deal with only the occasional potshot from Syrian rebels. The area of
    Daraa, situated near the Israeli border, is considered by some to be the birthplace of the
    Syrian revolution. Meanwhile, Iran and the Syrian government say that the presence of anti-
    government rebels in the area provides justification for entrenching Iranian-backed, pro-Assad
    forces so close to Israel’s border.

    Iran’s final objective in the Middle East is not to control Syria, but to destroy Israel. Together
    with Hezbollah in southern Lebanon, the formation of the Golan Liberation Brigade increases
    Iran’s ability to achieve that goal.

    “The most precious jewel of Iran’s plan is to conquer Jerusalem,”
    “This would then galvanize the Islamic world behind Iran!”

    Israel is at the heart of Iran’s plans for the Middle East. In many respects, Iran’s involvement
    in Syria pivots on this issue. If Bashar Assad is defeated, Tehran risks losing one of its most
    important strategic footholds. For Iran, the ultimate goal is destroying the Jewish state.

    To this end, Iran backs Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in the Gaza Strip,
    and it is working to forge a new relationship with Egypt.

    Jerusalem is more important to Iran than the oil is,” “The Islamic people have fought
    the Catholic Crusades for about 1,500 years over control of Jerusalem.

    Bible prophecy says one final crusade is about to erupt.”

    Iran will not retain control of Syria, But shifting its focus to Israel now that
    the rebels are on the back foot exposes Iran’s focus in the region.
    Iran will continue its effort to cement Iraq in there camp, for end times alliance

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    Shiia Iran has been as much of a mythic "threat" as
    was Sunni Iraq who it perceived to be its real enemy.
    Just two days into this the year,
    the Middle East took a gigantic leap toward a major Sunni-Shiite war.

    In what might be considered the last straw that broke the camel’s back, Saudi Arabia
    executed a prominent Shiite cleric, prompting an immediate backlash from Iran.

    Protesters in Tehran ransacked and set fire to the Saudi embassy, while police did little
    to intervene. In response, Saudi Arabia severed diplomatic ties, and so began the latest
    fracturing of relations between Sunnis and Shiites.

    Hot collars and frosty relationships are nothing new between the age-old religious bodies,
    but the speed at which the latest incident has stirred insurrection has not been evident in
    recent flare-ups. This is Saudi Arabia and Iran going head to head.

    Killing a Cleric

    The Shiite cleric Nimr al-Nimr was executed on Saturday after more than three years in prison.
    Arrested in 2012, Nimr was an outspoken critic of the Saudi government. He was executed on
    charges of inciting sectarian violence and sedition along with a range of other offenses.

    Nimr was based out of eastern Saudi Arabia where most of the nation’s Shiites reside. He had
    campaigned for a greater Shiite presence in the nation, and had even suggested that the Shiite
    province of Qatif secede if his demands were not met.

    Nimr was neither saint nor moderate by any standard, but neither were his captors. The Saudi
    regime is incredibly oppressive. Nimr died along with more than 40 other convicts on January 2.

    Saudi Arabia executed 158 “terrorists” in 2015. Free speech is a luxury in this nation where
    minorities and women suffer under a complex range of civil and religious laws.

    The Saudi government sends a clear message with the execution: It will not tolerate dissent from
    the Shiite populace, nor will it allow Iran to establish a foothold. In a region where Iranian-Saudi
    proxy wars are commonplace, the Sunni government is looking to shore up its country as
    prospects of a more direct conflict with Shia Islam—predominantly Iran—looms large.

    Bahrain’s Backlash- On Monday, two days after the execution, Bahrain
    followed Saudi Arabia’s lead and cut all ties with Iran.

    Bahrain remains a hot spot for dissent and discontent. In some ways the Arab Spring is still
    simmering in Bahrain. For one, the government is Sunni, while the majority of the population
    is Shiite. This breeds sectarian turmoil. Making matters worse, the nation is sandwiched
    between Iran and Saudi Arabia, the regional heavyweights.

    The two countries vie for power in Bahrain as they have done for years. Iran does its best
    to stir up insurrection from the people, while Saudi Arabia and its allies arm the government
    and roll in tanks across the connecting King Fahd Causeway.

    The naval importance of the country dates back as far as 1935 when the British established
    a base of operations there. Today, the island harbors a port for [the United States 5th Fleet]
    —another reason the Saudis want to keep Bahrain in Sunni hands. Without the port, the U.S.
    5th Fleet—charged with protecting U.S. interests in the Mideast—would have to find a new home.

    United Arab Emirates
    In a less surprising move, the United Arab Emirates also joined Saudi Arabia, but it didn’t
    completely sever ties with Iran. The U.A.E. downsized its diplomatic presence in Iran and
    recalled its ambassador from Tehran.

    The U.A.E., a long-time supporter of the Saudis, has joined Saudi Arabia in coalitions against
    Iran and its proxies in Bahrain, Yemen and Syria. Backing and mimicking Saudi Arabia is the
    next logical progression in its ongoing opposition to Iranian hegemony.

    African Involvement

    The third nation to fall in step with Riyadh is more of a curious choice. Sudan, another pre
    -dominantly Sunni nation, has waded into the fray. It expelled the Iranian ambassador and
    the entire Iranian diplomatic mission. It also recalled its ambassador in Tehran.

    Sudan’s actions show without a doubt that this not just about the execution of a Shiite cleric. Nor
    is it just about grievances between Saudi Arabia and Iran. What we are seeing is the deepening
    divide between Sunnis and Shiites. Nations like Sudan don’t tend to leap into the fray like this.

    Sudan is on the outer rim of Iran’s reach,but not altogether free of it.It shares borders with Libya and
    Egypt, both of which have been dealing with Iranian-backed proxies and terror cells in recent years.
    Along the coast of Somalia and Yemen in the south, there has been similar violence,
    but Sudan has sat in the middle immersed in border disputes with South Sudan.

    Regardless of the reasons, the Sunni-Shiite rift has widened substantially as of this week,
    and it is preparing the way for the fulfillment of some amazing geopolitical shifts.

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    Is it moraly right for Iran to want to wipe the Jews [Judah] out?

    Quote Originally Posted by peacenik View Post
    Since you made that up you will need to tell me.
    maybe you would believe Iran itself about this, leader said it himself on tv-Feb 21, 2017-
    We are with every group that is steadfast on the path of Resistance: Ayatollah Khamenei - Khamenei.ir
    Iran’s supreme leader says exactly what’s on his mind.

    His opinion and goals cannot be so easily cast aside. The full speech is completely
    translated into English, unabashedly so, on Khamenei’s own website.

    While peacenik might cast him aside as a crazy, this is a leader of a nation of 80 million people
    (and millions more Shiites across the Middle East), a leader who desires nuclear weapons.


    As this 2017artical highlights some of Khamenei’s comments, remember that, this growing power.
    https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/1...ches-jerusalem


    or maybe he could believe the bible where God said this about some of the middle
    east [Arabs] we see today . the angel of the Eternal had said to Hagar:
    “He will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man and every man’s hand
    against him; and he shall dwell to the east of all his brethren” (Genesis 16:12).

    Zechariah 12:3
    And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people:
    all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people
    of the earth be gathered together against it.
    -

    Here is what Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said in the opening speech
    to the sixth international conference in support of the Palestinian intifada, an event that
    began on Tuesday in Tehran.

    Bear in mind that this isn’t just a regular conference giving support to Palestinian statehood
    in some future peace deal with the Israelis, but rather a conference that specifically promotes
    the intifada, an unambiguously violent Palestinian uprising against the Jewish state,
    after which Israel would cease to exist.

    This isn’t a peace conference, but a literal death-to-Israel conference, and one whose speakers
    included all the top brass in Iran, including its three most powerful men: “moderate” Iranian
    President Hassan Rouhani, Iranian parliament speaker Ali Larijani, and the aforementioned
    supreme leader.
    -
    Here are some excerpts (emphasis added throughout)
    only couple posted here, read whole speach links above.

    The history of Palestine is full of ups and downs, marked by the cruel occupation of that region, the
    rendering of millions of individuals homeless, and the courageous resistance of those heroic people.
    An intelligent quest in history shows that no people in any era of history have ever been subject
    to such pain, suffering and cruelty.
    -
    There are likely many historians who would take exception to the idea that the Palestinians have
    suffered more than all other people. Take the Jews themselves, for example, 6 million of whom
    were systematically exterminated just over 70 years ago.

    Next, Khamenei lamented the fact that turmoil in the Arab world has undermined its collective focus
    on liberating Jerusalem. Those conflicts and civil wars (like Yemen, Syria and Libya) were blamed
    on Israel and its allies as a way of deflecting attention from the Jews.

    Your conference is being held under one of the most difficult circumstances in the world and in the
    region. These days, our region—which has always supported the people of Palestine in their fight
    against a global plot—is undergoing numerous upheavals and crises. ......

    The existing crises in several Islamic countries in the region have caused the support for
    the issue of Palestine and the holy ideal of Quds’ [Jerusalem] freedom to be undermined.

    Attention to the result of these crises helps us to understand which powers benefit from the existence
    of these crises.Those who created the Zionist regime in the region with the purpose of hampering the
    stability, solidity and progress of the region through imposing a long-term conflict are behind the
    seditions that exist in the present time as well.

    These are seditions that have culminated in the capabilities of regional nations being used to foil
    one another because of engagement in futile and meaningless conflicts.When all these capabilities
    are ruined, the ground will be prepared for strengthening the usurping Zionist regime on a daily basis. …

    But unfortunately, the complicated plots of the enemy have managed to impose civil wars
    on nations by benefiting from the negligence of some governments.
    -
    Khamenei then called on all Muslims across the Middle East to refocus on Jerusalem
    as the unifying factor between them all. He also noted the international community is
    moving toward a confrontation with Israel.

    Khamenei then noted successful history from the previous two Palestinian intifadas, each of
    which lasted for years and snuffed out the lives of more than 1,000 Israeli civilians and security
    personnel and more than 4,000 Palestinans—an estimated quarter of whom were killed by other
    Palestinians. He also encouraged the third uprising of intensifying violence that is currently
    underway in Israel.

    Khamenei lamented the fact that turmoil in the Arab world has undermined its collective focus
    on liberating Jerusalem. Those conflicts and civil wars (like Yemen, Syria and Libya) were blamed
    on Israel and its allies as a way of deflecting attention from the Jews.

    Khamenei called on all Muslims across the Middle East to refocus on Jerusalem
    as the unifying factor between them all.

    Khamenei called upon Allah to help those supporting the violent uprising against the Jews:

    I ask God the Benevolent to help all you succeed in serving the issue of Palestine as the most
    important issue in the world of Islam and as the pivot of unity for all Muslims and all liberated
    individuals in the world.

    Again, Jerusalem and the Jews are the real targets of the current Iranian regime first,
    then to world dominace. Do you even care about Jerusalam and what they are up againest?
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    Quote Originally Posted by prove-all View Post
    Not only have you badgered people on this forum.
    So now you resort to telling bold faced lies about me,
    that I made the Iran threat up againest the Jews.

    A closed-minded person you are, hostile towards others,
    unreasonable or excessively narrow-minded, now labeled A lier


    The badgering comment is laughable in view of your comments and insults such as "closed-minded person you are, hostile towards others, unreasonable or excessively narrow-minded, now labeled A lier" {sic} . Your claim that Iran is going to harm Israel has already been debunked and has no basis in reality.

    But if you insist on a war with Iran, by all means go there and show them what you've got. Ignore New Testament laws that require all true Christians to be at peace with all men.
    Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

    Matt 5:9

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    Quote Originally Posted by prove-all;
    "the Book of Amos" can you be more spific? and show the verses
    Every bible verse you posted so far, I showed you did not say what you claimed.
    Not once have you on this thread ever gave real proof of your allagations.

    ... Our country is going down the toilet: and we argue who did it,
    reality is its to late anyway.

    The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall
    condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold,
    a greater than Jonas is here.



    Amos summarized here:

    https://www.cliffsnotes.com/literatu...tic-books-amos



    Abuse the poor and practice injustices of all kinds - that's when the country goes down the "toilet".
    Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

    Matt 5:9

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    The answer to the fabricated Iranian "threat" to Israel:

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-...-on-iran/21188


    Note that pro war types who want a war (but who will not stand up and do their own fighting) fail to show why Iran (if they really want a war) haven't invaded in all these years. No surprise since it's all been a lie from day one. By the way for those who want a war, let them have their cookie sales to raise funds for their own private army. And please send us picture postcards of your activities once you get there.
    Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

    Matt 5:9

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    Quote Originally Posted by peacenik View Post
    The answer to the fabricated Iranian "threat" to Israel:
    .
    so you not even believe when they spew it out on national t.v.



    by the way you might want to get a newer artical then 2007 lol
    Last edited by prove-all; March 23rd, 2017 at 05:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peacenik View Post
    Amos summarized here:
    .
    why they had been driven into captive slavery

    They walked not in MY statutes, and they despised MY judgments
    and MY sabbaths they greatly polluted- What were the sins of Jeroboam

    Both houses of Israel were sent into national punishment and banishment
    from the Holy Land because they broke God’s Sabbath!

    that's when the country Israel went down the "toilet".

    (Jeremiah 29:10), many of the house of Judah returned to the Holy Land
    to rebuild the temple, and restore the worship there

    The Prophet Nehemiah tells why they had been driven into captive slavery
    70 years before(Nehemiah 13:15-18).

    The house of Judah was without excuse. They had been warned by the prophets.

    “Thus saith the Eternal; Take heed to yourselves, and bear no burden on the sabbath day
    neither do ye any work, but hallow ye the sabbath day, as I commanded your fathers…
    (Jeremiah 17:21-22, 27).

    The house of Judah did not heed it.And burned the house of the Eternal, and the king’s house;
    and all the houses of Jerusalem, and all the houses of the great men, burned he with fire”
    (Jeremiah 52:12-13)

    WHY Israel Defeated in Leviticus 26: “Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image
    to bow down unto it: for I am the Eternal your God. Ye shall keep my sabbaths,
    and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Eternal” (verses 1-2).

    God promised abundant production and wealth, national peace, and national dominance
    that would have led to world dominance (verses 3-13).

    But, said God (verses 14-33), if they refused to obey those commandments,
    they would suffer sickness and disease, lose all prosperity for 2,520 years,
    be invaded, conquered, and driven from their land as slaves to their enemies’ lands.

    God made a special eternally binding covenant with them involving the Sabbath
    (Exodus 31:12-17). The Sabbath was made the national sign by which the true God
    would be identified and known to them, and by which they were to be identified as His people.

    After the division into two nations—when the kingdom of Israel made Jeroboam
    their king, the first thing this king did was introduce idolatry and Sabbath[s]-breaking.

    Ezekiel was given a message from God to the house of Israel(Ezekiel 3:1).

    God says, in Ezekiel 20: “Wherefore I caused them to go forth out of the land of Egypt,
    and brought them into the wilderness. And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them
    my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them.

    Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them,
    that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them” (verses 10-12).

    “But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness:
    they walked not in MY statutes, and they despised MY judgments?…?
    and MY sabbaths they greatly polluted?…” (verse 13).

    Then God pleaded with their children, a generation later. Notice!


    “But I said unto their children in the wilderness, Walk ye not in the statutes of
    your fathers, neither observe THEIR judgments, nor defile yourselves with THEIR idols:
    I am the Eternal your God; walk in MY statutes, and keep MY judgments, and do them;

    And hallow MY sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you,
    that ye may know that I am the Eternal your God” (verses 18-20).

    The entire emphasis here is between God’s statutes, judgments and Sabbaths
    on the one hand, and their FATHERS’ different sabbaths, statutes and judgments.

    the children rebelled against me,” continued God, through the Prophet Ezekiel.
    “[T]hey polluted MY sabbaths?…” (verse 21).

    He scattered them, in national captivity and slavery (verse 23).

    “Because they had not executed MY judgments, but had despised MY statutes,
    and had polluted MY sabbaths, and their eyes were after their FATHERS’ idols”

    “And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries
    wherein ye are scattered?…?with fury poured out. And I will bring you into
    the wilderness of the people [coming exodus—Jeremiah 23:7-8],

    and there will I plead with you face to face” (Ezekiel 20:34-35).

    “Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt,
    SO will I plead with you, saith the Lord God?.… And I will purge out from
    among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me..
    and YE shall know that I am the Lord” (verses 36-38).

    43And there shall ye remember your ways, and all your doings, wherein
    ye have been defiled; and ye shall lothe yourselves in your own sight
    for all your evils that ye have committed.

    44And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have wrought with you for
    my name's sake, not according to your wicked ways, nor according to your
    corrupt doings, O ye house of Israel, saith the Lord God.

    He says our people, when they are no longer rebellious, who will then be
    keeping His Sabbath, shall remember their ways in which they were defiled,
    and shall loathe themselves for their Sabbath-breaking!


    They were removed out of their land. “For the children of Israel walked in
    all the sins of Jeroboam which he did; they departed not from them;

    Until the Lord removed Israel out of his sight, as he had said by all his servants the
    prophets. So was Israel carried away out of their own land to Assyria unto this day”
    (2 Kings 17:22-23).

    21For he rent Israel from the house of David; and they made Jeroboam the son of Nebat king:
    and Jeroboam drave Israel from following the Lord, and made them sin a great sin.

    For the children of Israel walked in all the sins of Jeroboam which he did;
    they departed not from them; 1 Kings 15:30 (KJV)

    Because of the sins of Jeroboam which he sinned, and which he made Israel sin,
    by his provocation wherewith he provoked the Lord God of Israel to anger.
    1 Kings 14:16 (KJV)

    And he shall give Israel up because of the sins of Jeroboam, who did sin,
    and who made Israel to sin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peacenik View Post
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    Your claim that Iran is going to harm Israel has already been debunked and has no basis in reality.

    .
    so you use a 2007 link to prove Iran is good and say it is debunked,
    to counter what was said resent in 2017 on national t.v. by Iran itself.


    who should I believe, a ten year old story, or todays headlines

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    Quote Originally Posted by peacenik View Post
    Amos summarized here:
    but that is not what I asked you for: in your words and verses

    "the Book of Amos" can you be more specific? and show the verses

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    Quote Originally Posted by peacenik View Post
    The badgering comment is laughable in view of your comments and insults such as "closed-minded person you are, hostile towards others, unreasonable or excessively narrow-minded, now labeled A lier".
    funny you yourself admitted you where badgering others on this thread
    When confronted with your badgering of others on here you said


    Originally Posted by peacenik
    Yes [I] am sure that badgering is against forum rules.
    [But] you need to [direct your criticism] in that regard to those
    who make [false accusations] , and then [fail to back them up].


    my comments come at the end of this dissuction,
    you have badgered people this whole thread.
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