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peacenik

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that's all right. You dont wanna show your cards. That's okay, it's your choice. Slippery frog avatar definitely fits.



Still waiting.

Yes, I know you try to deflect from the issue at hand and try to make it a matter of personality by attacking rather than dealing with the issue. But you will have no choice but to address the accusations you made by backing them up.



​Still waiting ....
 

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Still waiting.

Yes, I know you try to deflect from the issue at hand and try to make it a matter of personality by attacking rather than dealing with the issue. But you will have no choice but to address the accusations you made by backing them up.





​Still waiting ....
What does it say about a person who can't let his yes be yes and his no be no? That would be you. Why don't you just do what normally adjusted adults do and let us know where you stand on the issue? Wouldn't that take the argument out of it? And wouldn't you be doing what paul said you should do? Or is that too much for you to handle?
 

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If it were not for Iranian troops fighting in Iraq, ISIS would have overrun the region by now.
The only "threat" they pose is one that is imaginary and fomented for the past 35+ years by those who intend to profit from another war.
Be a lot easier if you just backed up your declarations with proof
 

peacenik

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What does it say about a person who can't let his yes be yes and his no be no? That would be you. Why don't you just do what normally adjusted adults do and let us know where you stand on the issue? Wouldn't that take the argument out of it? And wouldn't you be doing what paul said you should do? Or is that too much for you to handle?

See my post # 4 which endorses the OP's thesis in post #1. If you troubled yourself to READ rather than read into a post you would know where I stand by now.
 

peacenik

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Be a lot easier if you just backed up your declarations with proof

We have discussed Iran on other threads. The never ending Shiia-Sunni conflict is not on topic here but you may check here to see that anywhere from 80-100,000 Shiia from Iran have fought in Iraq to kill off ISIS:

US officials: Up to 100,000 Iran-backed fighters now in Iraq | Fox News



It is time for people to stop biting the hand that feeds them as Iranians have been the USA's best friend in that region for a long time.



Note that this is a CONSERVATIVE news source.
 

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[video=youtube;uHmS4v-_A7Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHmS4v-_A7Q&t=254s[/video]
 

Sirk

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We have discussed Iran on other threads. The never ending Shiia-Sunni conflict is not on topic here but you may check here to see that anywhere from 80-100,000 Shiia from Iran have fought in Iraq to kill off ISIS:

US officials: Up to 100,000 Iran-backed fighters now in Iraq | Fox News



It is time for people to stop biting the hand that feeds them as Iranians have been the USA's best friend in that region for a long time.



Note that this is a CONSERVATIVE news source.
You're on drugs or something man. Iran is our best friend in that region? That comment is absurds retarded cousin.
 

prove-all

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did you even read the artical you posted for Iran being good?
what does it say?

As many as 100,000 Iranian-backed Shiite militia are now fighting on the ground in Iraq,
according to U.S. military officials -- raising concerns that should the Islamic State be
defeated, it may only be replaced by another anti-American force that fuels further
sectarian violence in the region.

“The effect of the Obama administration’s policy has been to replace American boots
on the ground with the Iranian’s. As Iran advances, one anti-American actor is being
replaced with another
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The growth also could create greater risk for Americans operating in the country,
as at least one Iran-backed group vowed earlier this year to attack U.S. forces
supporting the Iraqis.

At his confirmation hearing last year, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Joseph
Dunford was asked how many Americans were killed by Iranian-backed forces under
the command of Soleimani.

"The number has been recently quoted as about 500. We weren't always able to attribute
the casualties we had to Iranian activity, although many times we suspected it was Iranian
activity even though we didn't necessarily have the forensics to support that," Dunford said.

The threat to American troops remains Last month, firebrand Shia cleric Muqtada al-Sadr --
responsible for attacks against U.S. troops in Iraq a decade ago – once again called for
his supporters to kill American troops.

“[U.S. forces] are a target for us,” he said on his website.

In March, one Iranian-backed group said it would attack U.S. forces after the Pentagon
announced that hundreds of U.S. Marines were supporting Iraqi forces with artillery fire.

"If the U.S. administration doesn't withdraw its forces immediately, we will deal with
them as forces of occupation," Asa’ib Ahl al-Haq (AAH) said on its TV channel.

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The Iranian-backed group has claimed responsibility for over 6,000 attacks against U.S.
forces in Iraq since 2006 and operates under the supervision of Soleimani, according to
a report by the Institute for the Study of War.
http://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/ResurgenceofAAH.pdf

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Iran Is Progressing Towards Nuclear Weapons Via North Korea
https://besacenter.org/perspectives-papers/iran-progressing-nuclear-weapons-via-north-korea/

Experts: ‘Iran Is Progressing Toward Nuclear Weapons Via North Korea’
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/...essing-toward-nuclear-weapons-via-north-korea

Evidence indicates Iran has outsourced its nuclear program,
clandestinely circumventing the nuclear deal.

Iran is said to have helped North Korea (NK) by providing necessary funding,
specific nuclear-related technologies and help with ballistic missile technologies.

Why does Iran need balistic missles if there nuclear program is peacefull ?
 

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We learn from the scriptures that David who was anointed to be King left the covering of God for nineteen months and killed thousands of innocent men, women and CHILDREN.
not remember this story, can you give bible verses and details please ?
 

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[video=youtube;377kKBi6anQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=377kKBi6anQ[/video]
So after M103 gets passed in Parliament, do you think Canada will turn into another Europe?

I do, and I am not happy about it. Where I live now, one rarely sees women wearing a Hijab. But in Edmonton, near the mosque, in the NW of the city, there were more Muslims than regular people walking the streets and shopping in the malls. Of course, the men are not readily identifiable, unless they wear those funny caps, or full Muslim dress.

We put off going to Europe till my husband retired, and I think it is too late to go. My daughter went 4 or 5 years ago, and said it was perfectly safe. Why was it safe? Because of the machine gun nests near the Eiffel Tower, the Louvre, Versailles, etc etc. If that isn't a war zone, I'll eat my hat!!

Of course Europe is much worse now than when she left, with all the middle eastern refugees (really, illegal immigrants!) who have flooded the country!
 

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did you even read the artical you posted for Iran being good?
what does it say?

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Why does Iran need balistic missles if there nuclear program is peacefull ?




''Iranian and Pentagon officials acknowledged that Iran had stepped up its military operations in Iraq last week, using 1970s-era fighter jets to bomb targets in a buffer zone that extends 25 miles into Iraq.The new military approach highlights an unusual confluence of interests in both Iraq and Syria, where Tehran and Washington find themselves fighting the same enemy in an increasingly public fashion. While there is no direct coordination between Iran and the United States, there is a de facto nonaggression pact that neither side is eager to acknowledge.''



The apparent shift in Iran’s strategy has been most noticeable in Iraq, where even American officials acknowledge the decisive role of Iranian-backed militias, particularly in protecting Baghdad from an assault by the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL, but also working with the American-led air campaign.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/world/middleeast/iran-airstrikes-hit-islamic-state-in-iraq.html


The article you just read acknowledges that truth.





As for nukes, while you persist in quoting anti-Iranian propaganda, the reality is that the country's leader issued a fatwa against nuclear weapons and has not violated international law:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khamenei's_fatwa_against_nuclear_weapons



If it has violated international law, the IAEA would have reported it by now.







As for Sirk's post, I have reported his reference to drugs and insult rather than to lower myself to his level.
 

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So after M103 gets passed in Parliament, do you think Canada will turn into another Europe?

I do, and I am not happy about it. Where I live now, one rarely sees women wearing a Hijab. But in Edmonton, near the mosque, in the NW of the city, there were more Muslims than regular people walking the streets and shopping in the malls. Of course, the men are not readily identifiable, unless they wear those funny caps, or full Muslim dress.

We put off going to Europe till my husband retired, and I think it is too late to go. My daughter went 4 or 5 years ago, and said it was perfectly safe. Why was it safe? Because of the machine gun nests near the Eiffel Tower, the Louvre, Versailles, etc etc. If that isn't a war zone, I'll eat my hat!!

Of course Europe is much worse now than when she left, with all the middle eastern refugees (really, illegal immigrants!) who have flooded the country!
I find it it incredibly repulsive, disturbing, and ultimately disgusting, that anyone would promote allowing unvetted immigrants into their country, turning a blind eye to what male MUSLIM immigrants in Europe have been doing, marauding and raping and murdering, while the authorities do NOTHING because they are so afraid of offending the politically correct sensibilities of progressives and jihadis, not to mention the Satanic Imams and all their Satanic followers of their Satanic totalitarian world view known as the Satanic religion of Islam.

[video=youtube;8RmiRPEvUIk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RmiRPEvUIk[/video]
 

peacenik

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male MUSLIM immigrants in Europe have been doing, marauding and raping and murdering



What the statistics say about Sweden, immigration and crime | PolitiFact





If we look specifically at sex offences, which the Fox News segment highlighted, there were 18,100 sex offenses reported to the police in 2015, down 11 percent from 2014, according to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention.
The number of rapes reported decreased 12 percent between 2014 and 2015, to 5,920, the agency reported. The council noted that in Sweden, when a single case is reported, every incident associated with the case is also reported as an offense during the same year.






While the Fox network claims these crimes are up because of actions by migrants, the Swedish police reports that these rates are DOWN. Even the CONSERVATIVE Reason publication agrees that Trump's reports are phony:


Trump's Fake News Attack on Sweden, Immigrants, and Crime

The president talks nonsense about refugees, immigrants, and crime.


Trump's Fake News Attack on Sweden, Immigrants, and Crime - Reason.com


That is because those reports are a right wing hoax:


http://www.vox.com/world/2017/2/19/14662244/trump-sweden-terrorist-attack-fake
 

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[video=youtube;dTR-iPFcwoU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTR-iPFcwoU[/video]
 

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While the Fox network claims these crimes are up because of actions by migrants, the Swedish police reports that these rates are DOWN.
Tell me peacenik, how many rapes and murders of women is acceptable in your view?

The inflow of asylum seekers in Sweden, a country with one of the most liberal laws towards refugees, is putting an increasing strain on the country's police. There are now reportedly 55 areas in the country, where the law is not fully upheld.


16 cars torched overnight in Malmo, Swedish police puzzled for motive

Dubbed “no-go zones” in some media reports, there are now 55 areas in Swedish cities, where the police have significant problems in tackling crime. They are divided into three categories depending on how significant the risk to officers working there is.

The number has risen from 50 in February, when the police last gave a comprehensive report on the issue, and last week, when the law enforcement agency gave an update. According to media reports, the service is facing a major crisis of self-confidence, with as many as three officers on average asking to resign on a daily basis. Internal polls say four officers out of five have been considering a change of profession lately.

We have a major crisis. Many colleagues are choosing to quit,” police officer Peter Larsson told the Norwegian broadcaster NRK. “A drastically worsened working environment means many colleagues are now looking for other work.”

Read more here:
https://www.rt.com/news/360561-sweden-no-go-zones/

 

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''Iranian and Pentagon officials acknowledged that Iran had stepped up its military operations in Iraq last week, using 1970s-era fighter jets to bomb targets in a buffer zone that extends 25 miles into Iraq.The new military approach highlights an unusual confluence of interests in both Iraq and Syria, where Tehran and Washington find themselves fighting the same enemy in an increasingly public fashion. While there is no direct coordination between Iran and the United States, there is a de facto nonaggression pact that neither side is eager to acknowledge.''



The apparent shift in Iran’s strategy has been most noticeable in Iraq, where even American officials acknowledge the decisive role of Iranian-backed militias, particularly in protecting Baghdad from an assault by the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL, but also working with the American-led air campaign.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/world/middleeast/iran-airstrikes-hit-islamic-state-in-iraq.html


The article you just read acknowledges that truth.





As for nukes, while you persist in quoting anti-Iranian propaganda, the reality is that the country's leader issued a fatwa against nuclear weapons and has not violated international law:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khamenei's_fatwa_against_nuclear_weapons



If it has violated international law, the IAEA would have reported it by now.







As for Sirk's post, I have reported his reference to drugs and insult rather than to lower myself to his level.

says Iran is Americas best friend in the Middle East. Then reports Sirk for wondering if he's on drugs. Then virtue signals about being above Sirk. I'm pretty sure you have up and down mixed up. Lol
 

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We learn from the scriptures that David who was anointed to be King left the covering of
God for nineteen months and killed thousands of innocent men, women and CHILDREN.

found in "1 Samuel 27 "

in 1 Samuel 27
I did not see the covering of God taken away from David.
I did not see where he killed for nineteen months.
I did not see it says he killed thousands of innocent people.


but we see the story of Saul

1 Samuel 15:18
And the Lord sent thee on a journey, and said, Go and utterly destroy
the sinners the Amalekites, and fight against them until they be consumed.

9But Saul and the people spared Agag, and the best of the sheep, and of the oxen,
and of the fatlings, and the lambs, and all that was good, and would not utterly destroy
them: but every thing that was vile and refuse, that they destroyed utterly.

11It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from
following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel;
and he cried unto the Lord all night.

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now David in "1 Samuel 27 "

He invaded the Geshurites, and the Gezrites, and the Amalekites:
for those nations were of old the inhabitants of the land
 

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As for Sirk's post, I have reported his reference to drugs and insult rather than to lower myself to his level.
Peacenik,

I want to be the first to congratulate you...
on finally identifying any level to which you will not lower yourself!

Well done!


Although I'm a little concerned about you tattling on another boy for telling a joke in class,
at least we're making progress.



Godspeed to you!
 

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US officials: Up to 100,000 Iran-backed fighters now in Iraq | Fox News
-you are right , and no one has questioned that Iran is not fighting the Islamic State.
but you close your eyes to the rest of the story, in this first artical you post it says
"As Iran advances, one anti-American actor is being replaced with another,”

again it says

raising concerns that should the Islamic State be defeated, it may only be replaced by
another anti-American force that fuels further sectarian violence in the region.

that first story you posted goes on and says

The Iranian-backed group has claimed responsibility for over 6,000 attacks against U.S.
forces in Iraq since 2006 and operates under the supervision of Soleimani, according to
a report by the Institute for the Study of War.

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now this last artical dated dec, 2014
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/...irstrikes-hit-islamic-state-in-iraq.html?_r=0
again I am not arguing they have troups fighting over there.
but that does not mean we are friends with Iran, and they are now good guys.
on the contrary, we see them more blantent then ever.

but lets read this link you gave.

Iran conducting military operations openly on foreign battlefields
rather than covertly and through proxies [like Hezbollah, Houthi rebel group ]

stepping from the shadows into a more overt use of hard power
as it[ promotes Shiite influence] around the region.

Tehran and Washington find themselves fighting the same enemy
in an increasingly public fashion.

While there is [no direct coordination] between Iran and the United States, there
is a de facto nonaggression pact that neither side is eager to acknowledge.

-seems they do not trust each other, and there is no coordination between them.
go google Hezbollah and Houthi rebel groups see what you get.

-continue reading your story

In Iraq, a degree of coordination between the American military and Iran’s is imperative
but also awkward, making it appear that the United States is working in tandem with its
adversary. Often [a single Iraqi officer] will serve as an intermediary between the
American-led air campaign and the Iranians.

The Obama administration has made clear that while it welcomes Iran’s help
in fighting the extremists, there is no actual coordination.


Ali Khedery, a former American official in Iraq, said,
“For the Iranians, really, the gloves are off.”

Of the growing regional role of General Suleimani, Mr. Khedery was blunt.
“Suleimani is the leader of Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Yemen,” he said.

“Iraq is not sovereign. It is led by Suleimani, and his boss,
Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei” — Iran’s supreme leader.

-so Iran claimes 4 other countrys capitols under there control, why?

The article you just read acknowledges that truth.
The articles you posted acknowledges that Iran has troups fighting in iraq.

the articals also say no actual coordination between them and the U.S..
that Iran said they would attack if they felt the U.S. in there way.
stated that one anti-American country is being replaced with another.
that Iraq is not sovereign-that Iran’s supreme leader is in charge.

but nowhere in those articals does it say Iran is safe and a friend of the U.S.