AMERICAN HEALTH CARE ACT

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peacenik

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Please, please show me verses where the Lord specifically tells His people to trust the ability of mankind for their health instead of trusting in the Lord God Almighty!

I've asked that question over and over and so far... nobody can show any call to action in scripture where God says "you folks gonna have to trust the arm of the flesh of health"

Go ahead... post the verses if ya got 'em... I'll hold




See post # 301.

You're welcome. :)
 

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Back on topic:



Health care reform dominates hospital conference



The focus of Tuesday’s Annual Conference of Hospital Boards at Garden City’s Clarion Inn was on the changing climate of health care in America.
Sponsored by the Pioneer Health Network, the event featured two keynote speakers: Michael Hubble, managing director of the Advisory Board Company, a for-profit, publicly traded research, technology and consulting firm that serves more than 4,400 of America’s hospital and health systems; and Tom Bell, the president and CEO of the Kansas Hospital Association.
The event was catered toward hospital trustees, CEOs, administrative and management staff, physicians and people interested in the health care industry.

Hubble used his expertise to address health care in the federal sphere within the context of the Republican efforts to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, and Bell addressed health care on the state level, which has become especially pertinent in the wake of a failed attempt to expand Medicaid by the majority of the state Legislature that was ultimately vetoed by Gov. Sam Brownback.
With the ACA, otherwise known as Obamacare, hot on the agenda in Washington, and the expansion of Medicaid continuing to pose questions in the Kansas Legislature, the health care industry is at the focal point of federal and state policy right now.
Despite the uncertainty of the status quo in federal health care policy, Hubble said he thinks letting the ACA collapse would not be a good thing.
“Right now, of course, the big question is: With the ACA continuing to be the law of the land, will the GOP let it collapse, as President Trump has said he might? Or will they do something to prop it up?” Hubble said. “I think the implosion or collapse of the ACA would be a bad thing for the country, would be a bad thing for our industry. No one likes that level of uncertainty.”
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“I think a big part of that is because people in rural America tend to value their hospital,” Bell said. “I’m not saying they value them more, but they understand what a hospital is to a community, and they’re very concerned about the future of their community hospitals in rural America.”



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Health care reform dominates hospital conference | Local News | gctelegram.com




It is clearly evident that states which failed to expand Medicaid have suffered immensely from the lack of health care coverage. Sadly, the Republican politicians who rule those states have no remorse or any form of compassion for their victims. Hopefully, some day Trump will live up to his campaign promise when he declared that "all Americans will be covered by health insurance". We await his reform plan ....
 
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See post # 301.

You're welcome. :)
I don't see any "post number 301"... so why not give us a review as to why you believe in man's ability before the Lord's?
 

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baby killers = hate filled self proclaimed born again Christians {sic} such as those on this forum. Note how this particular fails to understand the Bible when it tells them to go to the doctor and proclaims it "anti-christ".

Such badgering! Double standards, much??
Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. You wish you could correctly refute that, but you can't. Carry on.
 
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I found your post budroe...

It is not the healthy who need a doctor, it is the sick ...

Matt 9:12
Mark 2:17
Luke 5:31

Professional medical care is quite necessary after all.
Still, no call to action...
WHERE did the Lord INSTRUCT His people to go to the doctor?

What'cha gonna do with the sickness mankind can't do anything about??? That's right, die!

What'cha gonna do with all these healing scriptures Yo??? Play like God was just kidding around?

Romans 8:11
But IF the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you (allowed to live in us), He that raised up Jesus Christ from the dead shall also quicken (energize, make alive) your mortal body by His Spirit that lives in you. (see 2 Corinthians 3:17 – where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty, freedom!)

1 Peter 2:24
Jesus carried our sins in his own body on the cross, so that we, being dead to sin, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes you were healed.

Matthew 8:17

That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

Isaiah 53:4, 5
Jesus has carried our grief (pain, anxiety, calamity, disease, sickness), and carried our sorrows (anguish, affliction, feelings of pain, sadness and sorrow): yet we did esteem Him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted....but He was wounded (to wound, to break, be slain or killed) for our transgressions, He was bruised (crush, destroy, oppress, to collapse) for our iniquities: the punishment (violence, rebuke) of our peace was upon Him; and with His stripes we are healed. (He took our wounds, so we could take his wholeness & health in every area of life)

Proverbs 4:20-23
Attend to My words; incline your ear unto My sayings....let them not depart from your eyes; keep them in the midst of your heart....for they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh....keep your heart with all diligence; for out of it flow the forces of life.

James 5:15
The prayer of faith shall save the sick (from being sick!)

Exodus 15:26

If you will diligently listen to the voice of the LORD your God, and will do that which is right in His sight, and will give ear to His commandments, and keep all His statutes, I will not put any diseases upon you, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that heals you.

Exodus 23:24-26

You shall not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do their works: but you shall utterly overthrow them, and destroy their images.
And you shall serve Adonai your God, and He shall bless your food and drink; and I will take sickness away from the midst of you.
There shall nothing cast their young, nor be barren, in thy land: and you will live out the full span of your lives.

 

peacenik

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you fail to see a lot of things - maybe it's your lack of open mindedness
I see God's promises in His Word...

And, apparently yo minds is so open, anything can just fall right in




Go to blueletterbible.org for commentaries by biblical experts on the subject.
Oh, you mean the guys that don't know how to receive health and healing from the Lord???
No thanks... I'm way past their level of "expert"
 
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For the deluded who feel going to a doctor is sin, suit yourself. For the more logically minded among us, there is plenty of reason to see a doctor if sick:


https://www.gotquestions.org/Christians-go-doctors.html


Is It a Sin to Take Medicine? - to Consult a Doctor?




There are innumerable online links to prove the point. Only the deluded Pharisees who want to see people suffer would dare deny it.



OK, so riddle me this... WHY do so many Christians go to the doctor that they claim God told them to go do and they claim God blessed mankind with medical science and... these Christians die anyway???

How come Jesus never once told anybody to go to the doctor?

Why can't we pray and receive healing just like Jesus did... He trusted God for His health whilst here on club earth and there is no record of Jesus ever getting sick and He lives in me now...

I have not been sick in over 25 years, so you've come too late to try and tell me God does not honor His promises concerning health and healing.

The problem is people don't do what God's Word teaches... and so they go to the doctor which is like going to Vegas and rolling the dice... sometimes ya win and sometimes you die!

Have fun wit'cho gambling habit Yo! And, enjoy the dope
 

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OK, so riddle me this... WHY do so many Christians go to the doctor that they claim God told them to go do and they claim God blessed mankind with medical science and... these Christians die anyway???

I have not been sick in over 25 years, so you've come too late to try and tell me God does not honor His promises concerning health and healing.
So you are now expecting immortality on this earth?
 

peacenik

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How come Jesus never once told anybody to go to the doctor?


Talk about enjoying the dope. Had you troubled yourself to read the New Testament you would know that Jesus was the one being quoted in the lesson about going to the doctor.



Poor Rocky. This guy will never win a debate on this forum.
 
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So you are now expecting immortality on this earth?
Don't be silly... the Word of God clearly states that it's appointed unto men once to die (Hebrews 9:27).

But, while I'm here on club earth I do not have to be sickly.

Just cause others are, doesn't mean I have to be.
 
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Jesus was the one being quoted in the lesson about going to the doctor.
No, Jesus never said "I'm not going to heal you... you need to go get'cho obama care and go to the doctor"

Jesus IS the Doctor... but if you want to roll the dice it has no effect on me what you do with your life. Enjoy!

Proverbs 4:20-23
Attend to My words; incline your ear unto My sayings....let them not depart from your eyes; keep them in the midst of your heart....for they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh....keep your heart with all diligence; for out of it flow the forces of life.

What? You don't believe Proverbs is from the Lord???
 
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the word for "heal" is "rapha" which includes the services of a physician
Jesus is my doctor... His credentials are out of this world!

Who's yo doctor???

I bet'cha he ain't as good as Jesus.

My healthcare has already been paid for!

Jesus paid it all :cool:
 

peacenik

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Jesus is my doctor... His credentials are out of this world!

Who's yo doctor???




My personal life is not at issue here. The issue here is Trump's failed health care proposal and his campaign pledge to have all Americans covered under the law. So far, his plans have all been a dismal FAIL.
 
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My personal life is not at issue here. The issue here is Trump's failed health care proposal and his campaign pledge to have all Americans covered under the law. So far, his plans have all been a dismal FAIL.
I put Jesus first... you have put man first.

How's that working out for you, being all worried and in fear over politics???

The joke is one those that believe any politician or political party can find a solution for anything.
 

peacenik

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Rockrz; said:
The joke is one those that believe any politician or political party can find a solution for anything.


Tell that to those forum right wingers who support Trump's war on Syria. They should respect the Bible's teaching which says that God appoints all leaders and that no one has a right to depose any leadership. Right?



You're welcome. ;)
 
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God is allowing the world to have it's way and Trump being elected is part of that... if it were not God's will for Trump to be in office we would have gotten hillery who would have dragged things out with her expert skills in deception.

Jesus is ready for His Bride, so prophecy must come forth...

How's that working out for you, being all worried and in fear over politics???

The joke is one those that believe any politician or political party can find a solution for anything.
 

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Too bad you don't read blueletterbible as it is the best source for biblical understanding anywhere.
The Bible disagrees with you. See John 16:13 and I Cor.2:12-16 :)
 
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