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    The Health Care plan Trump and Ryan and some of the Repubs are pushing to get passed has been a real storm of controversy to say the least.

    I listened to Ryan's Power Point speech intoto, and while a few parts of this FIRST installment seem to be ok, there are some problems with it also.

    The BIG DEAL is that this Plan is being offered in THREE INSTALLMENTS, and Repubs are being told to vote for it without even knowing what the other Two Installments will be. Sound familiar?

    The MOST IMPORTANT requirement of any Plan is the option of people to buy Insurance across State Lines! This is the ONLY true way to reduce Health Care Policies prices. Forcing the Big Insurance people to compete for Customers, JUST LIKE ALL OTHER Retail/Wholesale businesses have to do.

    Sadly, this important requirement (according to Ryan) will not even be offered UNTIL the Third Installment. But, wait, even then it is not a slam dunk to come to be Law. Why? Because doing it the way Ryan says will require SIXTY VOTES in the Senate to PASS. Seriously? How in the world does Ryan, Trump, or any Republican believe they will get 60 votes in the Senate? Given this, and the fact that the Second Installment WILL ALSO require 60 votes........the real possibility is that the ONLY part of this Plan that EVER gets passed will be this First Installment. And, that ain't good. By itself, just like Obamacare, it will implode......what then Mr. Speaker?

    I hope this First Installment does not pass as it is currently written. Step back, LET OBAMACARE destroy itself, the blame will be on Obama and the Dems, THEN, put forth a COMPLETE PLAN, and not an Installment Plan.

    Mr. President, please pull your support for this Plan, it will end up being an anchor around your neck, and, right now, you got enough of them as it is.

    just saying...........
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    My understanding of the plan is...

    1. It eliminates the requirement to buy insurance.

    2. it eliminates any taxes, fees, & penalties imposed by Obummercare

    3. If you do not buy insurance now, the insurance companies can surcharge you 30% of the premium when you do go to buy it.

    4. It keeps subsidies, but ties them to age instead of income.

    5. It allows insurance companies to charge older customers up to 5 times more than young customers (which is up from the current 3x).

    6. Rolls back Medicaid to pre-Obummercare levels.



    My takes:

    1. It needs a provision that if you don't buy insurance, you don't get treatment until you pony up the dough. A huge part of what makes medicine cost so much is having to cover the costs of those get it for free. We already have socialized medicine, only difference is instead of it coming out of my taxes it comes out of my premiums. And my taxes.

    2. Not entirely a bad idea, but how ya gonna replace that lost funding?

    3. It needs to be higher ... high enough to cover the costs of those who don't buy until they need it. That way people who don't pay for insurance can pay for people who don't pay for insurance. Instead of me.

    4. So a rich old man gets a subsidy while the poor young'un gets nada. Yep, this is a Republican plan alright.

    5. Every generation up until now has helped support their elders. I hate to suggest it but we need another WWII to teach these young sniveling puke kids what a hard life really is. I think the best treatment for what ails us is a reinstatement of the draft.

    6. 1 out of 3 Californians is on Medicaid. 1 out of 3. Something is seriously wrong with these numbers. A big part of that problem is that people can't afford health care. Why can't they afford health care? Because they aren't paid a living wage. Hey there Mr. General Electric, pay your line workers a living wage - then we won't have to chase you down with taxes to pay for their insurance subsidies. No, the reason these numbers are so high isn't because so many are sick or freeloading. It's because you can't pay insurance premiums when your 60 hours a week won't hardly put food on the table.

    7. SELL INSURANCE ACROSS STATE LINES. That is first and foremost before you do anything else. You can't get the benefits of a free market if your market isn't free. And this goes for ALL insurance - car, home, or whatever.
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    Wow. How interesting. Tap tap tap "is this thing on?" After aaall the endless debate about Obumercare this and Obumercare that, and how Trumpcare is gong to be so terrific, this thread gets a late start and entertains crickets? C'mon, Utah, Ugly, Sirk et all... I've been dying to hear your thoughts on this terrific plan they've laid out. Cat got your tongues? I don't know if that will be covered any more...

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    Wow. All them highly vocal Trump supporters have been made speechless. I guess the bloom is off the rose!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickyZ View Post
    Wow. All them highly vocal Trump supporters have been made speechless. I guess the bloom is off the rose!
    Paints not dry yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickyZ View Post
    Wow. How interesting. Tap tap tap "is this thing on?" After aaall the endless debate about Obumercare this and Obumercare that, and how Trumpcare is gong to be so terrific, this thread gets a late start and entertains crickets? C'mon, Utah, Ugly, Sirk et all... I've been dying to hear your thoughts on this terrific plan they've laid out. Cat got your tongues? I don't know if that will be covered any more...
    I think it's crap.

    I think it's the result of a bunch of utterly spineless Republicans.



    It is possible that:
    A. Trump is only going along with this plan till a reasonable alternative is proposed.
    B. Trump intends to change this plan later, and this is just the "first step"... which would be better than nothing.


    The 2 possibilities above are not a given, but they are entirely feasible, as Trump does NOT have the support of the Republican congress, and he CANNOT just pass any agenda he likes. The congress is still the congress.


    How do things actually stand?
    What is REALLY in Trump's mind?
    I have no idea.
    No one has any idea.

    No one really knows what is in ANYONE'S mind.
    All politicians talk... and then we have to see what they actually deliver.




    However, I think we can all be honest in agreeing that the Republican congress is fighting Trump on EVERYTHING, because they hate him... so we cannot reasonably expect to see Trump achieve all of his campaign promises in that environment.

    But personally, I still expect him to try.
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    It doesn't provide affordable healthcare for everyone.
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    I heard the FNC White House Reporter (on Friday) muse that Trump may let this Plan be voted down, and then just sit back and wait for Obamacare to collapse. That would all be laid at the feet of Obama, Pelosi, and all the Dems in Congress who have been fighting him tooth and nail since he took Office.

    Then, when the people are about to riot over losing their Health Care, stepping in and passing a Bill ALL INCLUSIVE, and not presented in Installments. Don't know if Trump is actually considering this, but, in my opinion, that would be a lot smarter than putting too much support behind this Bill Ryan is pushing.

    Who knows? We will find out soon. It could be that Ryan realizes that he has ZERO chance of getting this Bill passed in the House and pulls it. Problem is, IF Ryan and those in the Senate ACTUALLY get this AHCA passed and sent to Trump for his signature, he WILL have to sign it. He can not be seen as the President who refused to sign the Repeal of Obamacare.

    Troubled waters for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billyd View Post
    It doesn't provide affordable healthcare for everyone.
    Common sense should tell any of us that NOTHING is going to provide affordable healthcare for everyone. That is an impossibility, short of going to total Socialism.

    So the aim SHOULD be to do no more than simply offer a means to secure something better than individuals have now.... at competitive prices.
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    I have to work to pay for my healthcare. So should everyone else who is able.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirk View Post
    I have to work to pay for my healthcare. So should everyone else who is able.
    So what do we do with those who work and still can't afford healthcare?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billyd View Post
    So what do we do with those who work and still can't afford healthcare?
    I know people who work and can't afford it so are on medicare. I know one particular person who on top of that gets 1000 cash plus 1000 grocery money per month. People talk as if the programs aren't there for people that need them. As an aside, it takes a little effort to get them and if youre drug addled moron, hrdc will probably reject you.....and rightfully so.
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    It is only Phase One right now and is a reconciliation bill not just a bill. But I like that it defunds Planned Murderhood. As for the rest, we will see. For detailed coverage on it I recommend Jay Sekulow Live. Thanks. God bless and God bless America!
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    I had affordable insurance before the ACA, now I do not. I wish they would just repeal it and be done.
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    As long as President Trump gets rid of that mandate I am totally in support of his efforts on this issue. Don't really care about anything else he does to Obamacare, just get rid of that mandate.
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    Just tossing an idea out.
    Would it work to bring in laws that evey employer has to fund medical insurance,
    no matter what the job is, i.e. street sweeper right up to brain surgeon.

    Just wondering as other here for the last couple of years, the UK government is trying
    out something new with pensions. Whereby every employee and employer has to pay into
    the employee pension pot. Even nannys and cleaners where there is a private arrangement,
    right through to the big multi corporations.

    The effects of this have yet to be known. My employer the government has a
    pension scheme contract for staff already in place before the new laws, so I don't know how
    the new different scheme will work out for others long term in their employment.

    Maybe a similar scheme for health care would work in the US with employee and employer
    contributions.
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    One of the biggest cost of the ACA is covering preexisting conditions. It's like forcing insurance companies to give you home owners coverage after your house burns down. Maybe this is why the constitution doesn't give congress authority to provide for health care. Just saying, if we want the government involved, maybe it should be our state or local governments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miri View Post
    Just tossing an idea out.
    Would it work to bring in laws that evey employer has to fund medical insurance,
    no matter what the job is, i.e. street sweeper right up to brain surgeon.

    Just wondering as other here for the last couple of years, the UK government is trying
    out something new with pensions. Whereby every employee and employer has to pay into
    the employee pension pot. Even nannys and cleaners where there is a private arrangement,
    right through to the big multi corporations.

    The effects of this have yet to be known. My employer the government has a
    pension scheme contract for staff already in place before the new laws, so I don't know how
    the new different scheme will work out for others long term in their employment.

    Maybe a similar scheme for health care would work in the US with employee and employer
    contributions.
    Employers will just cut hiring and salary. I would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy379 View Post
    Employers will just cut hiring and salary. I would.
    But if it applied to every employer across the country, then they wouldn't be able
    to cut staff. They would all have to maintain staffing levels to run the business.
    In the UK we also have a manditory minimum wage. Everyone across here said
    the minimum wage and new pension idea would cause job losses but it hasn't for
    that specific reason.


    It makes sense as well to be able to seek insurance from any company, no matter which
    state they are in, to open up competition and bring prices down.

    Anyway it was just my two pennith worth (that would be two cents)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miri View Post
    But if it applied to every employer across the country, then they wouldn't be able
    to cut staff. They would all have to maintain staffing levels to run the business.
    In the UK we also have a manditory minimum wage. Everyone across here said
    the minimum wage and new pension idea would cause job losses but it hasn't for
    that specific reason.


    It makes sense as well to be able to seek insurance from any company, no matter which
    state they are in, to open up competition and bring prices down.

    Anyway it was just my two pennith worth (that would be two cents)
    It doesn't work that way here. The UK population is fairly static, whereas here, we have added nearly 100 million to ours in the past 25 years. Your nation has only 60 million or a few more in population.

    Here is the thing, there is no right to health care. I'm sorry but life sucks, I'll die for a lack of medical treatment, and I'm fine with it.

    The is no right to other people's money, I might be poor for it, but thats my problem, not everyone else's.
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