Your Choic for Healthcare

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Billyd

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Let's strip out Medicaid and Medicare from the act. They already provide adequate (in most cases excellent) services to those who qualify for them, and should be addressed separately. Let's address the healthcare needs of everyone else.

What is your choice?

We can have a government sponsored, employee paid system tailored to their actual needs. (Medicare like)

We can have a government sponsored, government paid system also tailored to their actual needs. (Medicaid like)

We can have a government sponsored, employer/employee paid system tailored to their actual needs.

We can have a user care oriented, employer/employee paid system tailored to employee needs. (Trumpcare)

We can have a government mandated care, government and employer/employee paid program (Obamacare)

We can have the old status quo program where hospitals are paid (government paid) a fixed fee to provide care for the uninsured, under insured, and deadbeats who don't pay for their care.
 

Billyd

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I had planned to post this as a poll, but buttons and my fingers didn't cooperate.
 

Tommy379

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How about no government involvement, I'll go to the doctor if I want or need and I'll deal with paying for it myself.
 
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How about no government involvement, I'll go to the doctor if I want or need and I'll deal with paying for it myself.
Never really been sick, have you? LOL Just to draw my blood, the lab charges right at $1,000. I pay $7 of it....... and with the last insurance we had (which we had to change because of ObamaCare driving up their premiums.... and I wasn't even on OC), I paid $0 for the same blood work.
 

Tommy379

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Never really been sick, have you? LOL Just to draw my blood, the lab charges right at $1,000. I pay $7 of it....... and with the last insurance we had (which we had to change because of ObamaCare driving up their premiums.... and I wasn't even on OC), I paid $0 for the same blood work.
Thats the thing, I don't think hospitals just come up with charging $1000 for testing blood just because. Because of government regulation, there almost no competition in healthcare. We have a hospital down the road. That place is a dump. I wouldn't put my cat in there for a well visit. The thing is, if I had a ton of money, and wanted to build a world class hospital across the street with the best of everything, I couldn't. The Government wouldn't let me because they have laws that protect these places from competition. Our community hospital can't do much for you, if you show up having a stroke, they have to fly you to the regional hospital 60 miles away. It's not that the community hospital doesn't want to, it's that they can't compete by law with the other one. Add this to the fact that healthcare is a limited resource with high demand, mostly because the government is forcing providers to give it away or they have added a bunch of people to medicaid.
People claim that the drug companies are evil and greedy..... bull crap. These companies spend tons of money trying to get through all the government regulation to get their product to market. Add that to all the cost of research and development. Then the dirty government tells the drug companies they only have 7 years on their patent before everyone else gets to make it. No wonder medicine cost so much. They have to recover all that cost in 7 years. Thats crap.
People want insurance to pay for everything when it comes to healthcare, thats not insurance. Insurance should be for when you get hit by a bus or come down with brain cancer. You don't use homeowners insurance to fix a broken window, you use it when the house burns down.
You can't mandate that companies insure those who have preexisting conditions and expect it to be affordable. That isn't the insurance companies fault, you can't expect them to not raise prices. They can't operate at a negative revenue and stay in operation.
I know for sure that the federal government can't raise enough revenue to pay healthcare for 320 million people.
 
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How about no government involvement, I'll go to the doctor if I want or need and I'll deal with paying for it myself.
Golly, that can sure get expensive! I was in the emergency room about three weeks ago without insurance and I got the bill yesterday and I gasped as I looked at it....It was over $2000 and about five hundred of that was from the pharmacy of the drugs they pumped in me thru the IV and that doesnt include the physician fees. It is better to be proactive about insurance than to decide not to have any.
 

Tommy379

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Golly, that can sure get expensive! I was in the emergency room about three weeks ago without insurance and I got the bill yesterday and I gasped as I looked at it....It was over $2000 and about five hundred of that was from the pharmacy of the drugs they pumped in me thru the IV and that doesnt include the physician fees. It is better to be proactive about insurance than to decide not to have any.
I never said not to buy insurance. I just want the government out of it.
 

posthuman

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The thing is, if I had a ton of money, and wanted to build a world class hospital across the street with the best of everything, I couldn't. The Government wouldn't let me because they have laws that protect these places from competition.

how is it then that the city i moved from, with a population of maybe 50k, had 6 different full-service hospitals and dozens of clinics, all under different ownership, and many within 5-10 minutes drive from each other?
 

posthuman

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How about no government involvement, I'll go to the doctor if I want or need and I'll deal with paying for it myself.
and if i'm too poor, i guess i can just die, uncared for, eh
 

Tommy379

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how is it then that the city i moved from, with a population of maybe 50k, had 6 different full-service hospitals and dozens of clinics, all under different ownership, and many within 5-10 minutes drive from each other?
They don't allow that here.
 

Billyd

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Who guarantees you or anybody else another minute.
Do you think that God is pleased when a person with large bank account can get a $50K surgery and his people are too tight to ensure that the person with a $20K/year can have the same surgery?
 

posthuman

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They don't allow that here.
so if you're saying "the government" prevents new hospitals from being built, and competition among healthcare providers, what you're really referring to is your own city's ordinances?

that's something i've never heard of. a hospital owns your town?
 

Mackenzie127

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Do you think that God is pleased when a person with large bank account can get a $50K surgery and his people are too tight to ensure that the person with a $20K/year can have the same surgery?
I live in Norway. It's a great health care system here. People are supposed to get the same medical care whether they are making money or not. So far so good. Turns out that there are multiple ways of bypassing the people in line for health care, and most of those multiple ways includes a truckload of money. At the end of the day money talks in Europe as well.
 
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Do you think that God is pleased when a person with large bank account can get a $50K surgery and his people are too tight to ensure that the person with a $20K/year can have the same surgery?
Well can't God just send an apostle to put his hands on them and heal them for free?
 

Billyd

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Well can't God just send an apostle to put his hands on them and heal them for free?
I haven't witnessed much of that lately. Maybe He sent us a message when He told us what the fruits of the spirit are. JMHO
 
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our choice is and has been for many years, 'preventative-medicine' - another words,
take care of yourself, make it a PRIORITY, 'research' - there is really so much info out there that
teaches us all how to live in a Godly-healthy, manner and take care of ourselves to the best of
our abilities. Jesus has given us this message and has also made available just what we need in times
of crisis or whatever our needs may be...
 

Tommy379

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so if you're saying "the government" prevents new hospitals from being built, and competition among healthcare providers, what you're really referring to is your own city's ordinances?

that's something i've never heard of. a hospital owns your town?
Actually it's the commonwealth of virginia. The legislature created the Virginia department of Health. That department decides when and where every medical facility is built. When a petition is made to build a hospital or clinic, a board reviews it and approves. It just happens that the board is chaired by Sentera health systems, Riverside healthcare, Bon Secours, etc. That ain't capitalism.

The feds pick winners and losers all the time. Their stupid legislation is the reason you can't buy health insurance in another state.