Nuclear war with Korea?

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Monnkai

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So I've been reading articles all morning about there being nuclear war any moment from North Korea. And of course I'm getting kind of scared (by kind of I mean terrified) Do you think trump will start a war? or will he try to work it out.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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Thankfully it's not just up to Trump (Erh, I don't really know that not being American, but I assume so....? and hopefully the crazy dude on the other side has some half- sensible people to keep him in check too)

They both know that if one side nukes the other, the other side will send nukes back
.... and I don't think either side is QUITE crazy enough to want to start nuclear winter.
 
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Sully

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Wars, and rumors of war.
A call for peace and security.

^^^ we are here.
 

Monnkai

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Thankfully it's not just up to Trump (Erh, I don't really know that not being American, but I assume so....? and hopefully the crazy dude on the other side has some half- sensible people to keep him in check too)

They both know that if one side nukes the other, the other side will send nukes back
.... and I don't think either side is QUITE crazy enough to want to start nuclear winter.
I would hope so but if you havent noticed their are quite a few war mongering NeoCons here (Or so i've read and honestly it was a website that I'm not certain of the authenticity of it)
 
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wwjd_kilden

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Yeah
Well, if God could harden pharaoh's hart , surely he can soften the heart of others. I pray that Jesus will return before someone resorts to nuclear war
 
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Hao

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There's a lot of fake news out there and profiteers who feed off peoples' prejudice and fears. Here are the facts:

1) We live in an uncertain world, there is potential for calamity.

2) North Korea does possess the ability to detonate primitive nuclear bombs, which are closer to the power of the weapons dropped on Japan in WW2 than modern nuclear weapons like those in the possession of the full nuclear nations like the USA, Russia, UK etc...

3) North Korea has no proven ability to deliver a nuclear warhead by any missile. All their nuclear tests thus far were conducted underground.

4) Even if N Korea does manage to miniaturize a nuclear weapon onto a rocket system, there is a negligible chance that they could hit anywhere beyond South Korea, Russian Siberia or Chinese Manchuria. Either because they do not possess the rocket technology, or such a rocket is relatively primitive and easily intercepted by modern missile defense systems.

5) Thus unless you live in South Korea, there is very little to fear from an actual North Korean attack, conventional or nuclear. South Koreans unfortunately do live under considerable real danger on a daily basis. Even without nuclear weapons, North Korea could hit major population centers with conventional artillery and/or chemical/biological weapons, which they do possess.

6) Playing brinkmanship with the USA has been a N Korea strategy for decades, but actually initiating war would doom the regime, and so it is very unlikely that N Korea would actually cross the line and trigger all out war.

7) The potential for global calamity over N Korea lies in any misunderstanding between North and South Korea, or the USA, that triggers a major war, and somehow China decides to intervene on the side of N Korea like in 1950. As a Chinese person reasonably well informed about geopolitics, I can tell you that times have changed. I do not know for sure what the Chinese leadership would do in the event of a major Korean crisis, but I very much doubt they would back N Korea so forcefully again. Most Chinese people today have a negative view of N Korea and S Korean K Pop and dramas are very popular among young Chinese people... we really have a lot more in common with S Korea than N Korea now.
 
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Wars, and rumors of war.
A call for peace and security.

^^^ we are here.
Controlled conflict brings about controlled change,or constructive chaos,and the more problems,threats,and insecurities,there are in the world,the more justified they will be to say the world must come together as one to try to achieve peace on earth,and the more the world will go along with it.When they say Peace and safety,the deception upon the world will begin,and God will allow all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and take the mark of the beast,and then repentance,and salvation,is no longer available to them,and God can put them down.

After WW1,set up of League of Nations,some participated,after WW2,set up of United Nations,more people participated,the next time it will be the whole world participating,the ten horn kingdom,the world split in to ten sections,with a leader in each section,trying to achieve peace on earth.

They are either cooperating scaring people with the possibility of nuclear war,threats of war,or they are actually going to start a war that is terrible,so that the world will come together for it will scare the dickens out of them,especially when nuclear weapons are involved.

That is what I believe the purpose of WW1,and WW2,was about,creating a conflict,and starting a war on purpose,for the purpose of trying to get the world to come together to stop war from happening,and to cooperate for peace on earth.

Controlled conflict brings about controlled change,or constructive chaos,and they do not believe the truth,so this world is all they got,so they will fight for it,defend it,promote their ways on it,set up disasters,go to war,not go to war,whatever it takes to have the type of world that they want,which is they want to go back to the type of systems that were in the past,like Egypt,Babylon,the old Roman Empire,and kingdoms as such,and mainly the kingdoms they believe that were before Egypt,where they believe they had occult powers,but lost them through time,and believe the New Age Christ,which the Bible calls him the man of sin,will restore all the hidden mysteries of the past,and they can get those occult powers back,for the beast kingdom is based on the occult,nature worship,witchcraft,spiritual evolution,and does not acknowledge any god,but honors the God of forces,or the power of nature is their God.

When you shall hear of wars,and rumors of wars,which that can only be done if there is advanced technology,and travel,for how would they know of these things unless the saints can see what the world is doing,and Jesus told them they would be hated by all nations,the Gospel will be preached in to all nations,which can of not happened back them,for the whole world was never together,and did not even know about each other,and famines,and pestilences,and earthquakes,on different places on earth,which they cannot know unless they can see what the world is doing,which they cannot do unless there is advanced technology to observe what the world is doing,and to hear of these things,and see them by technology.

Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Daniel did not understand the end time,but when they get to that point they will understand,because of advanced travel,and advanced technology,for they can observe what the world is doing,and how they can come together,which the things Jesus told them could only be known at this time,for the disciples back them would be in the same position as Daniel,having a limited view of the world,in their area,and could only hear so much from a traveler.

How would they back in the first century know of things going on all around the earth.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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There's a lot of fake news out there and profiteers who feed off peoples' prejudice and fears. Here are the facts:

1) We live in an uncertain world, there is potential for calamity.

2) North Korea does possess the ability to detonate primitive nuclear bombs, which are closer to the power of the weapons dropped on Japan in WW2 than modern nuclear weapons like those in the possession of the full nuclear nations like the USA, Russia, UK etc...

3) North Korea has no proven ability to deliver a nuclear warhead by any missile. All their nuclear tests thus far were conducted underground.

4) Even if N Korea does manage to miniaturize a nuclear weapon onto a rocket system, there is a negligible chance that they could hit anywhere beyond South Korea, Russian Siberia or Chinese Manchuria. Either because they do not possess the rocket technology, or such a rocket is relatively primitive and easily intercepted by modern missile defense systems.

5) Thus unless you live in South Korea, there is very little to fear from an actual North Korean attack, conventional or nuclear. South Koreans unfortunately do live under considerable real danger on a daily basis. Even without nuclear weapons, North Korea could hit major population centers with conventional artillery and/or chemical/biological weapons, which they do possess.

6) Playing brinkmanship with the USA has been a N Korea strategy for decades, but actually initiating war would doom the regime, and so it is very unlikely that N Korea would actually cross the line and trigger all out war.

7) The potential for global calamity over N Korea lies in any misunderstanding between North and South Korea, or the USA, that triggers a major war, and somehow China decides to intervene on the side of N Korea like in 1950. As a Chinese person reasonably well informed about geopolitics, I can tell you that times have changed. I do not know for sure what the Chinese leadership would do in the event of a major Korean crisis, but I very much doubt they would back N Korea so forcefully again. Most Chinese people today have a negative view of N Korea and S Korean K Pop and dramas are very popular among young Chinese people... we really have a lot more in common with S Korea than N Korea now.
Fair enough
but even if they "Only" nuke S Korea that means plenty of lives ruined in S Korea
+ a chance of radioactive downfall all over the globe later on.
So I do hope they don't get the "bright" idea of trying
 
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Hao

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North Korean ‘weapon’ called existential threat to U.S. Does this seem like a legit threat? Or is this guy just trying to sell a book I can't tell.

Trust me, it's just a guy trying to sell a book. N Korea does not pose an existential threat to S Korea, let alone the USA.

Similar people have been peddling books about the "imminent collapse of China!" for decades, and at the same time others are screaming about "imminent Chinese takeover of the world economy!"... Scary headlines grab attention, but the truth is usually much more complicated and less exciting.

And less exciting is good, when we're talking about geopolitics.
 

Monnkai

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Trust me, it's just a guy trying to sell a book. N Korea does not pose an existential threat to S Korea, let alone the USA.

Similar people have been peddling books about the "imminent collapse of China!" for decades, and at the same time others are screaming about "imminent Chinese takeover of the world economy!"... Scary headlines grab attention, but the truth is usually much more complicated and less exciting.

And less exciting is good, when we're talking about geopolitics.
Yeah I just googled the website trying to sell the book and it claimed the website was worse then fox news (Thats pretty bad) Yeah the tpp and the Rcea have been in the news a lot and all kinds of tpp promoters were constantly going on about china's take over. It was all bull crud. There just looking for excuses to ruin American lives. This is kind of off topic but you said you lived in China? I thought Christianity wasn't accepted there. Or am I thinking of a different asian country? JW.
 
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Hao

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Yeah I just googled the website trying to sell the book and it claimed the website was worse then fox news (Thats pretty bad) Yeah the tpp and the Rcea have been in the news a lot and all kinds of tpp promoters were constantly going on about china's take over. It was all bull crud. There just looking for excuses to ruin American lives. This is kind of off topic but you said you lived in China? I thought Christianity wasn't accepted there. Or am I thinking of a different asian country? JW.
I lived in China until I was 8 years old and I still have extended family and friends there, so I am reasonably well informed about what's going on there.

There was widespread persecution of all religions, including native Chinese ones, during the Cultural Revolution (1965-75), but since then social and religious freedoms have significantly improved in China.

The main Christian group that suffers direct persecution is Roman Catholicism, because the Vatican insists on appointing bishops worldwide, and the Chinese government rejects foreign influence in matters of government and religion. There are millions of Chinese Christians in state-sanctioned churches, and tens of millions (some estimates say 100M+) more in unofficial churches not registered with the government. The latter are technically illegal, but mostly tolerated as long as they do not interfere in politics.

China is not a "free society" in the Western understanding of the term, but it's also not an evil repressive totalitarian regime as portrayed sometimes in the West. The basic rule of thumb is that if you do not mess with the government, the government will not mess with you. Christianity is actually a bit of a fad among the young educated elite in big Chinese cities, because everything Western (especially American) is seen as "cool" and "trendy", and so some Chinese Christians are definitely attending church for networking and lifestyle purposes, which makes you question how many Chinese Christians really are Christians...

Anyway the focus of religious repression in China today is actually against the Muslims in Western China. The Chinese government views Islamic extremism as a much more serious threat than relatively harmless Christian worship.

Oh and finally I am not Christian. I have a thread in the Young Adult section of the forum here that explains why I am here.

I hope that answered everything. :)
 
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Yahweh_is_gracious

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I'm not concerned with a nuclear war happening. Unless somebody is willing to push the button, which would start a cascad of events which would destroy most of the world, then all the talk is just that - talk. It's male ego at it's finest and it's a big game of chicken where both sides are bluffing.

Yes, I could be wrong. I've been wrong a LOT in my life, but knowing that, I'm still not going to be the slightest bit concerned about the rumors of nuclear exchange. Just my choice.
 

Angela53510

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I lived in China until I was 8 years old and I still have extended family and friends there, so I am reasonably well informed about what's going on there.

There was widespread persecution of all religions, including native Chinese ones, during the Cultural Revolution (1965-75), but since then social and religious freedoms have significantly improved in China.

The main Christian group that suffers direct persecution is Roman Catholicism, because the Vatican insists on appointing bishops worldwide, and the Chinese government rejects foreign influence in matters of government and religion. There are millions of Chinese Christians in state-sanctioned churches, and tens of millions (some estimates say 100M+) more in unofficial churches not registered with the government. The latter are technically illegal, but mostly tolerated as long as they do not interfere in politics.

China is not a "free society" in the Western understanding of the term, but it's also not an evil repressive totalitarian regime as portrayed sometimes in the West. The basic rule of thumb is that if you do not mess with the government, the government will not mess with you. Christianity is actually a bit of a fad among the young educated elite in big Chinese cities, because everything Western (especially American) is seen as "cool" and "trendy", and so some Chinese Christians are definitely attending church for networking and lifestyle purposes, which makes you question how many Chinese Christians really are Christians...

Anyway the focus of religious repression in China today is actually against the Muslims in Western China. The Chinese government views Islamic extremism as a much more serious threat than relatively harmless Christian worship.

Oh and finally I am not Christian. I have a thread in the Young Adult section of the forum here that explains why I am here.

I hope that answered everything. :)

I appreciate your posts and your honesty.

I was talking to my son last night, who is in mainland China coaching in a hockey school. He says no one is afraid, and where he is, many Chinese are extremely rich. He lives in Hong Kong, and he was surprised he can't get google or twitter! I guess they are not allowed, which is that not having quite as much freedom in the west, but not a big deal.

I will say, his internet connection was the worst we have ever experienced. We even went to audio only, and it kept fading in and out. It could have just been the wifi, but it did some weird things I have never seen before, and he has lived in quite a few countries in the world. But I was thrilled to be talking to someone who was in Mainland China. It was a first for me!
 

Monnkai

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I'm not concerned with a nuclear war happening. Unless somebody is willing to push the button, which would start a cascad of events which would destroy most of the world, then all the talk is just that - talk. It's male ego at it's finest and it's a big game of chicken where both sides are bluffing.

Yes, I could be wrong. I've been wrong a LOT in my life, but knowing that, I'm still not going to be the slightest bit concerned about the rumors of nuclear exchange. Just my choice.
Feel free to lend me your brain so I can be as confident as you. I've tried asking Christ again and again for peace of mind but I don't have it yet. He's up to something in me though that I'm greatfull for.
 
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Yahweh_is_gracious

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Feel free to lend me your brain so I can be as confident as you. I've tried asking Christ again and again for peace of mind but I don't have it yet. He's up to something in me though that I'm greatfull for.
I shudder to call my attitude towards the headlines "confidence". It's more along the lines of life experience and knowing that the overwhelming majority of the time, when people make threats, they have no intention of carrying through with them lest they take too big a risk of looking foolish if their actions don't have the intended result. But until someone decides they've been backed into a corner and must put-up-or-shut-up, then the leaders of these countries will just be at the end of their chains barking like mongrels.
 
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I'm sure you heard of the New World Order that many nation leaders desire to have. For it to be achieved there needs to be world war & an economic collapse to enforce their one world government & currency. They go by the motto "Order out of chaos". While Korea is being advertised in the media as war hungry there are alot more players behind the scenes.
 

jenniferand2

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So I've been reading articles all morning about there being nuclear war any moment from North Korea. And of course I'm getting kind of scared (by kind of I mean terrified) Do you think trump will start a war? or will he try to work it out.
i would not fret to much over nuclear war per say but i would not be comfortable saying that N Korea is going to just keep sitting idle either. I am more worried about the non chemical means that N. Korea has in their grips. Also I would be more worried about who the may be able to get on board with them if something were to happen... Countries will always threaten with nuclear war ... The fact is though that they also know if they explode a real big nuclear war head that they may doom themselves as well. But nothing is off limits either this world is crazy and we just do not know what can or will happen. All i know is I have God on my side and if the world goes up in all heck God will bring me home when it is time.. I look forward to his arrival.
 

Monnkai

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I'm sure you heard of the New World Order that many nation leaders desire to have. For it to be achieved there needs to be world war & an economic collapse to enforce their one world government & currency. They go by the motto "Order out of chaos". While Korea is being advertised in the media as war hungry there are alot more players behind the scenes.
I've heard of it. I've feared it. How much longer before that will happen? (You probably don't know but it can't hurt to ask)
 

jenniferand2

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Feel free to lend me your brain so I can be as confident as you. I've tried asking Christ again and again for peace of mind but I don't have it yet. He's up to something in me though that I'm greatfull for.
there is never going to be any sure peace of mind. The people that run these other countries are only humans. Some of them may think they are invisible mind you and may have that oh nothing will happen to me attitude. The only certainty we have is that God will take his people to heaven and someday we will not ever have to worry about war ever again. Until that day there is always a threat. But i do agree I don't think the nuclear part we have to worry about just yet.. the non nuclear threat is just as alarming though in my eyes..