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Seedtime agrees with you because seedtime harbors the sin of envy. That way, seedtime can decide who or what equates to being "rich".
But, I don't envy people with money. I would actually be embarrassed to openly state my financial worth, so that isn't always it in all cases.
 

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But, I don't envy people with money. I would actually be embarrassed to openly state my financial worth, so that isn't always it in all cases.
I would be embarrassed, too.....

probably not for the same reason, though.....:(
 

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I disagree with this part because IF the offending Party is proven to have done what they were accused of, they are subject to certain punishments...........ergo, they were GUILTY of the charge(s) against them....

Tort Law legal definition of Tort Law

[h=1]Tort Law[/h]A body of rights, obligations, and remedies that is applied by courts in civil proceedings to provide relief for persons whohave suffered harm from the wrongful acts of others. The person who sustains injury or suffers pecuniary damage as theresult of tortious conduct is known as the plaintiff, and the person who is responsible for inflicting the injury and incursliability for the damage is known as the defendant or tortfeasor.
Three elements must be established in every tort action. First, the plaintiff must establish that the defendant was under alegal duty to act in a particular fashion. Second, the plaintiff must demonstrate that the defendant breached this duty byfailing to conform his or her behavior accordingly. Third, the plaintiff must prove that he suffered injury or loss as a directresult of the defendant's breach.
The law of torts is derived from a combination of common-law principles and legislative enactments. Unlike actions forbreach of contract, tort actions are not dependent upon an agreement between the parties to a lawsuit. Unlike criminalprosecutions, which are brought by the government, tort actions are brought by private citizens. Remedies for tortious actsinclude money damages and injunctions (court orders compelling or forbidding particular conduct). Tortfeasors are subject toneither fine nor incarceration in civil court.


The Blue part is "iffy" at best, as it IS ILLEGAL to solicit sex in just about every State that I am aware of..........as well, depending on the language used by the person and/or the forcefulness COULD rise to the level of Sexual assault. Assault does not require actual touching to be a crime.

The fact that punitive damages are assessed against someone certainly REQUIRES that they be found GUILTY of the charge(s) brought against them, otherwise such damages could not be assessed.


I don't think you understand what a tort is. Maybe you should google it. No one is found guilty or innocent in a tort case. The kind of legal case involving Bill O'Reilly or anyone else concerning sexual harassment is a tort. No where in the United States is it a crime to coment on womans appearance or ask another person for sex.

In a tort, the plaintiff must show the defendant had a duty, breached the duty, that caused an injury to the plaintiff. That injury to the plaintiff is going to be quantified into a monetary value. The monetary value of the injury to the plaintiff is the same regardless of the wealth of the defendant.

Now on to punitive damages. Some jurisdictions allow for it, many don't. In all cases, compensation for the injury must be determined first. In a tort, the fact finder only needs to find a preponderance of the evidence to make a judgement. Many jurisdictions that allow for punitive awards, require a higher standard of proof from the evidence. Even if the case involves suche behavior that warrants punitive damages, the wealth of the defendant should not matter.

I just think seed time harvest may be an old school communist that has a hatred for the successful.
 

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AND THE HITS JUST KEEP COMING............

[FONT=&quot]Andrea Tantaros, the former Fox News host suing the network for alleged sexual harassment by Roger Ailes and Bill O’Reilly, claims in a new lawsuit that the network and its executives are using electronic surveillance and hacking techniques to spy on her. In a complaint filed in U.S. District Court in New York, Tantaros contends that she has been targeted by “digital weapons” that started when she was employed at Fox News and that continues “to this day.” In the lawsuit, she claims that executives Bill Shine, co-president of Fox News, and Irena Briganti, Fox News executive, have retaliated against her “through illegal electronic surveillance,” the hacking of her personal computer, and the use ...[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Read more


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[h=3]Andrea Tantaros Claims Fox News Targeted Her With ‘Digital Weapons,’ Online Harassment


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AND THE HITS JUST KEEP COMING............

Andrea Tantaros, the former Fox News host suing the network for alleged sexual harassment by Roger Ailes and Bill O’Reilly, claims in a new lawsuit that the network and its executives are using electronic surveillance and hacking techniques to spy on her. In a complaint filed in U.S. District Court in New York, Tantaros contends that she has been targeted by “digital weapons” that started when she was employed at Fox News and that continues “to this day.” In the lawsuit, she claims that executives Bill Shine, co-president of Fox News, and Irena Briganti, Fox News executive, have retaliated against her “through illegal electronic surveillance,” the hacking of her personal computer, and the use ...Read more


CelebrityVariety
Andrea Tantaros Claims Fox News Targeted Her With ‘Digital Weapons,’ Online Harassment





It's that vast, right-wing conspiracy, I tell ya!

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I disagree with this part because IF the offending Party is proven to have done what they were accused of, they are subject to certain punishments...........ergo, they were GUILTY of the charge(s) against them....

Tort Law legal definition of Tort Law

[h=1]Tort Law[/h]A body of rights, obligations, and remedies that is applied by courts in civil proceedings to provide relief for persons whohave suffered harm from the wrongful acts of others. The person who sustains injury or suffers pecuniary damage as theresult of tortious conduct is known as the plaintiff, and the person who is responsible for inflicting the injury and incursliability for the damage is known as the defendant or tortfeasor.
Three elements must be established in every tort action. First, the plaintiff must establish that the defendant was under alegal duty to act in a particular fashion. Second, the plaintiff must demonstrate that the defendant breached this duty byfailing to conform his or her behavior accordingly. Third, the plaintiff must prove that he suffered injury or loss as a directresult of the defendant's breach.
The law of torts is derived from a combination of common-law principles and legislative enactments. Unlike actions forbreach of contract, tort actions are not dependent upon an agreement between the parties to a lawsuit. Unlike criminalprosecutions, which are brought by the government, tort actions are brought by private citizens. Remedies for tortious actsinclude money damages and injunctions (court orders compelling or forbidding particular conduct). Tortfeasors are subject toneither fine nor incarceration in civil court.


The Blue part is "iffy" at best, as it IS ILLEGAL to solicit sex in just about every State that I am aware of..........as well, depending on the language used by the person and/or the forcefulness COULD rise to the level of Sexual assault. Assault does not require actual touching to be a crime.

The fact that punitive damages are assessed against someone certainly REQUIRES that they be found GUILTY of the charge(s) brought against them, otherwise such damages could not be assessed.
Lets get to soliciting sex as being illegal. Of course it is, but for it to be illegal, an offer would have to be made for sex in exchange for money, drugs, other services, etc. Walking up to a woman and asking "Will you have sex with me?" Is not a crime.

Your quote about tort law is wrong. There are 4 elements. Duty, breach of duty, CAUSATION, and injury. Your little quote left out the most essential element of a tort claim. Doesn't surprise me since most of your sources you cite have been of poor quality.

The purpose of tort law is to make the injured party whole again, not enact punishment. Defendants are not found guilty, they may be found liable.
 

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My quote about Tort Law is right out of the Tort Law Definition of itself..........so argue with those who wrote the Law.... :)

As for the other, your original comment said "asking a woman to have sex was not illegal, and, as I showed, it CERTAINLY CAN BE............and, even in your diluted version, it can STILL be considered Sexual Harassment which certainly is a crime.

Here...........argue with these folks

Tort Law legal definition of Tort Law

Lets get to soliciting sex as being illegal. Of course it is, but for it to be illegal, an offer would have to be made for sex in exchange for money, drugs, other services, etc. Walking up to a woman and asking "Will you have sex with me?" Is not a crime.

Your quote about tort law is wrong. There are 4 elements. Duty, breach of duty, CAUSATION, and injury. Your little quote left out the most essential element of a tort claim. Doesn't surprise me since most of your sources you cite have been of poor quality.

The purpose of tort law is to make the injured party whole again, not enact punishment. Defendants are not found guilty, they may be found liable.
 
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But, I don't envy people with money. I would actually be embarrassed to openly state my financial worth, so that isn't always it in all cases.
I knew a Native American man who started a HVAC company. He told me he charged people by how "rich" he thought they were. I haven't seen him around in years. You'd be surprised how many people are cursed with envy. We live in an era where people don't understand the value in working hard and contributing. They'd rather harp about how evil "rich" people are....and the reality is that they are the evil ones because they would steal it all and keep it for themselves if they could.
 

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My quote about Tort Law is right out of the Tort Law Definition of itself..........so argue with those who wrote the Law.... :)

As for the other, your original comment said "asking a woman to have sex was not illegal, and, as I showed, it CERTAINLY CAN BE............and, even in your diluted version, it can STILL be considered Sexual Harassment which certainly is a crime.

Here...........argue with these folks

Tort Law legal definition of Tort Law
Well good job on finding the wrong information from an online dictionary. Too bad that it is wrong since there are 4 elements to a tort. Strange thing is, the website you link doesn't even come up on the first 3 pages of a google search. You must dig deep to find the wrong information, or bs that you try to match to your distorted world view.

I got my information from a tort law text book, I purchased from a law school bookstore. Anyways, if you google "elements of a tort" the correct results come up first:

"There are four elements to tort law: duty, breach of duty, causation, and injury. In order to claim damages, there must be a breach in the duty of the defendant towards the plaintiff, which results in an injury. The three main types of torts are negligence, strict liability (product liability), and intentional torts."

Tort Law - Tort | Laws.com
That's a website run by legal professionals. First google return....... first.

Anyways, asking a woman for sex may be rude in some cultures, but not a crime. Here is the first posting on google when you search "sexual harassment as a crime." When Does Sexual Harassment at Work Become a Crime? | Eisenberg & Baum
It's a lawfirm website that explains that sexual harassment is not a crime, but rape, sexual abuse, and touching is.
I don't know why you have fixated on sexual harassment is a crime, no one has accused Bill O'Reilly of a crime. You may want it to be a crime, but your want does not make it so.
p_rehbein, you should understand by now, I do not engage in argument unless the facts support my position. You on the other hand, have lived 66 years on this earth, and have accumulated no wisdom.
 

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Should the rich pay more for the work that we do. That depends.

A few years ago my brother visited the doctor. The doctor saw him for about five minutes, wrote him a prescription, and charged him $125.00. When my brother questioned the size of the bill, the doctor said, "you pay me for what I know, not what I do. About six months later, the doctor called my brother out to get his tractor running. My brother cleaned his battery terminals, started the tractor and charged the doctor $250. When the doctor started to object to the bill, my brother interrupted, "you pay me for what I know, not what I do." The doctor handed him $250 cash.
 
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We live in an era where people don't understand the value in working hard and contributing.
Well, the monetary value in working hard is rather nebulous. Like the adage goes, "The harder you work, the less you make." Recognition or pride in a good work ethic though, sure.

Sup, Sirk!
 
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Well, the monetary value in working hard is rather nebulous. Like the adage goes, "The harder you work, the less you make." Recognition or pride in a good work ethic though, sure.

Sup, Sirk!
Hey my friend. It is good to "see" you. I understand your point about the money thing. It's not what motivates me. What motivates me is having the dolla's to take my boy golfing and such things.....and maybe to see Joe Bonamassa at Red Rocks coming up. :)
 
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Hey my friend. It is good to "see" you. I understand your point about the money thing. It's not what motivates me. What motivates me is having the dolla's to take my boy golfing and such things.....and maybe to see Joe Bonamassa at Red Rocks coming up. :)
Always good to see you too!

Oh man, Bonamassa is killer. My uncle ended up driving 6 hours down to our area just to see him in concert. The guy's guitar collection is insane. I hope you and your mini-me enjoy. :)
 

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Hey my friend. It is good to "see" you. I understand your point about the money thing. It's not what motivates me. What motivates me is having the dolla's to take my boy golfing and such things.....and maybe to see Joe Bonamassa at Red Rocks coming up. :)
I saw a concert there once :D Pablo Cruise! :eek: When I was 24 years old :cool:
 
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Anyone actually KNOW anything about this? All I have heard is that one Black Snowflake got her feelings hurt because he referred to her as "Hot chocolate."
O'Reilly has been sexually Harassing women on his show for years. Fox management would pay them money not to talk about it.
 

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[I don't know why you have fixated on sexual harassment is a crime, no one has accused Bill O'Reilly of a crime. You may want it to be a crime, but your want does not make it so.
p_rehbein, you should understand by now, I do not engage in argument unless the facts support my position. You on the other hand, have lived 66 years on this earth, and have accumulated no wisdom.]

Why I AM FIXATED on it? It was you who brought it all up. My comments are not directed at the O'Reilly incident, but at your initial comment which I disagreed with.

The "facts" do not support your position, and I have pointed it out. As for "sources," did you not research the "sources" used by the Site I quoted? The truth is you will not accept any Site/Evidence which DOES NOT support your view.

Here, try this one.............

[FONT=&quot]Sexual harassment includes unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature. There are two types of sexual harassment recognized by federal law: quid pro quo and hostile work environment. Quid pro quo refers to situations where employment decisions such as hiring, firing, or promotions are contingent upon the employee providing sexual favors. Examples of quid pro quo sexual harassment are when a supervisor threatens to fire an employee who does not submit to sexual advances or where a supervisor promises to promote an employee in exchange for sexual favors.

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Sexual Harassment in the Workplace Defined - AllLaw.com

As for why this example, it is because YOU stated it was not against the Law. IF you truly believe that, then I suggest you go out tomorrow morning, find a female Police Officer and propose to her that she engage in sex with you. Lemme know how that works out for ya!

Here...........another

Harassment legal definition of harassment - Legal Dictionary

Now I do see you gave up on the "not being guilty of anything" argument.........good, at least we have made some progress.
 
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Anyone actually KNOW anything about this? All I have heard is that one Black Snowflake got her feelings hurt because he referred to her as "Hot chocolate."
O'Reilly has been sexually Harassing women on his show for years. Fox management would pay them money not to talk about it.
So, that would be a, "No", you don't know anymore than I have heard?
 
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So, that would be a, "No", you don't know anymore than I have heard?
Ive been watching Hannity the last few nights where he's called out his accuser and has a team of lawyers working on his behalf.He's saying there are people trying to shut down conservative commentators and mentioned Bill also last night. Something more than meets the eye is going on here.Both he and Bill have said so.
 

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[I don't know why you have fixated on sexual harassment is a crime, no one has accused Bill O'Reilly of a crime. You may want it to be a crime, but your want does not make it so.
p_rehbein, you should understand by now, I do not engage in argument unless the facts support my position. You on the other hand, have lived 66 years on this earth, and have accumulated no wisdom.]

Why I AM FIXATED on it? It was you who brought it all up. My comments are not directed at the O'Reilly incident, but at your initial comment which I disagreed with.

The "facts" do not support your position, and I have pointed it out. As for "sources," did you not research the "sources" used by the Site I quoted? The truth is you will not accept any Site/Evidence which DOES NOT support your view.

Here, try this one.............

[FONT=&quot]Sexual harassment includes unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature. There are two types of sexual harassment recognized by federal law: quid pro quo and hostile work environment. Quid pro quo refers to situations where employment decisions such as hiring, firing, or promotions are contingent upon the employee providing sexual favors. Examples of quid pro quo sexual harassment are when a supervisor threatens to fire an employee who does not submit to sexual advances or where a supervisor promises to promote an employee in exchange for sexual favors.

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Sexual Harassment in the Workplace Defined - AllLaw.com

As for why this example, it is because YOU stated it was not against the Law. IF you truly believe that, then I suggest you go out tomorrow morning, find a female Police Officer and propose to her that she engage in sex with you. Lemme know how that works out for ya!

Here...........another

Harassment legal definition of harassment - Legal Dictionary

Now I do see you gave up on the "not being guilty of anything" argument.........good, at least we have made some progress.
I am truely sorry for yoir lack of reading comprehension. You were the one who suggested earlier that sexual harassment was a crime. I know it is not. The problem we have is that you do not know the difference between a crime and a tort.
Me stating that sexual harassment is not a crime, is not the same as me saying sexual harassment is not illegal. This I have mever stated.
Sexual harassment may be illegal, or rather unjust if the 4 elements to a tort are met, but that does not make a crime.
Anyways, good job following the teachings of the democrat school of argument. Not addressing any of the points I made, because I'm right, and shifting to other argument points.